[DRAFT] Condemn ANTIFA

[Kavagrad]

Clearly, OP couldn't figure out how photoshop works, and gave up.

OP has told me that the person with the evidence was offline, I guess. I'm assuming it'll come out eventually...right?

The evidence holder was taken out by Antifa, clearly. Just more proof that they're the real fascists.

On a different note, I just read the proposal again and realised who co-wrote it. That explain why TLA got the a nice mention, Jakobly's clearly still bitter over his failed infiltration attempt.

Allow me to get pissed for a second.

No.

The Free Commonwealth was very much not fascist. If you would have read the constitution and laws you would realize that. Maybe you should do your research there.

Yes, tagged fascist. Fucking and? Commonwealth of Liberty is too. They aint fascist.

And they had embassies with Farkasfalka. Again, fucking and? Who you are friends with shouldnt mark you as fascist or communist. It is your own beliefs that do that. If you disagree with that you are worse than any fascist.

Same point as above for Northern Redlands

Align yourself with fascists and holocaust deniers, call them your friends, sooner or later people will realise that you're, at best, fascist-adjacent.

[Rossiyaana]

That evidence, about that... My supplier on discord has gone offline since this morning unfortunately. I will be adding it in as soon as possible though

So as soon as someone figures out how to either photoshop the evidence, or has time to set up a new discord server, with fake names as to generate this so called evidence? Is the horseshoe close to the post yet?

I think they’re just hoping it’ll go away. There seems to be more evidence of him and his friends breaking site rules then Antifa. Just a little tip: don’t call out others for breaking rules without evidence!

This resolution isn’t going to even get enough approval to make it to voting, so I guess we’re done here. Antifa lives to raid another day.

[Kremlinian Russia]

This entire proposal reeks of butthurt.

Perhaps you shouldn't have actively stated your hatred to ANTIFA on your previous region and had good relations with fascist regions, in addition to wanting to 'defend their free speech' by preventing raids against them while at the same time saying you are 'not against raiding'.

OOC:That's not what I meant, the problem is that people are encouraging others to attack and destroy fascist regions, without even getting condemned because its seen as a heroic action.

Yeah because it is a good action lmfao. Nobody wants fascists here apart from themselves and their supporters, when fascists are no longer brutal chauvinists and reactionaries of the highest order, who support the annihilation or repression of whatever chosen racial/ethnic target they have, whether it is a blanket group of people or a specific group, then we can discuss not being as opposed to them. Aight? Encouraging the suppression of fascism is a good thing and always will be, for it attacks and weakens them before they can get a platform to spread their anti-Jewish conspiracy or desire to resurrect Pinochetist Chile and pick up all the gommies for 'le free heligopter rides'.

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To conclude, scrap your proposal because it won't go anywhere. Everyone who bitches about 'evil antifa' ends up pulling the same 'but they weren't fascist' argument and it certainly isn't unique. Fascism is the expression of the most reactionary and chauvinistic part of capital, and can range from American chauvinists who hate the 'rapefugees' and commies and want them all dead or deported to whatever country they came from, all the way to Hitlerites who want to kill the Jewish race for their 'evil' against the Aryans.

Dimitrov concluded fascism as: "the open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic and most imperialist elements of finance capital." (https://revolutionarydemocracy.org/archive/dimitrov.pdf) And most of the regions presented as 'victims of antifa' either support or have a large number of members that support the most reactionary and anti-communist capitalist actions, or national chauvinism which supports the supremacy of one nation over the other and inspires hatred of groups of people. Others have proven this by actually showing the contents of those 'democratic and totally not fascist' regions.

Save the embarrassment to yourself and delete the proposal if you can't prove yourself. Saying that your friends shouldn't have an effect on if you get raided is fucking bullshit, the only reason you would align with those regions is because you're actively trying to support them and want their input in your region, which paints you as a supporter or defender of fascism and fascists.

[Daarwyrth]

That evidence, about that... My supplier on discord has gone offline since this morning unfortunately. I will be adding it in as soon as possible though

So as soon as someone figures out how to either photoshop the evidence, or has time to set up a new discord server, with fake names as to generate this so called evidence? Is the horseshoe close to the post yet?

Sadly, that is likely why the person with the evidence conveniently went offline. They needed the time to put everything together. If you have evidence of something, you post it then and there and don't make others wait for it. That severely discredits the supposed evidence.

[Gagium]

No, I am only angry at Antifa for raiding non fascist regions and masquerading them as fascists who need to be destroyed. If you want evidence of this I provided 3 regions.

Make America Great Again is easy to prove, just look at their RMB and you can see their member nations talking about Cultural Marxism (a conspiracy theory created by the Nazis) among other far-right dogwhistles. There's enough evidence to assume that they are crypro-fascists.

Make America Great Again was seized by ANTIFA due to a joint FCN/Redlandia operation we held in the region, a full year after said 'crypto-facist' comments were made. I don't think that's why it was raided, and the people who made those comments have long ceased to exist.

It's abhorrent for ANTIFA to have called the FCN and Redlandia facist/nazi supporters and used that as an excuse to raid a right-wing Trump-themed region.

[Praeceps]

You'd think OP would've gotten the evidence before posting the draft.

I had published before I knew about it

Here I am, providing constructive criticism but you ignored my post?

Guess it'll be a hard against for me.

[Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth]

I had published before I knew about it

Have you ever heard of something called research? Really a quite useful thing.

Allow me to explain then. After I published this and told my discord server about it one of my more famous and prominent members came to me and told me "Nice m[aybe] you should mention them going so far as to use illegal means like attempting to hack, actually hacking people, Doxxing and blackmail"

[Rossiyaana]

Have you ever heard of something called research? Really a quite useful thing.

Allow me to explain then. After I published this and told my discord server about it one of my more famous and prominent members came to me and told me "Nice m[aybe] you should mention them going so far as to use illegal means like attempting to hack, actually hacking people, Doxxing and blackmail"

But there’s no evidence. There is a written confession however that someone broke site rules and used malicious means to gain passwords to someones accounts, that’s on you guys. Not Antifa.

In case you haven’t seen it: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1247578

[Blueflarst]

Have you ever heard of something called research? Really a quite useful thing.

Allow me to explain then. After I published this and told my discord server about it one of my more famous and prominent members came to me and told me "Nice m[aybe] you should mention them going so far as to use illegal means like attempting to hack, actually hacking people, Doxxing and blackmail"

You could have responded me, i actually know data affirming ANTIFA alliences with fascist nations

[Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth]

Allow me to explain then. After I published this and told my discord server about it one of my more famous and prominent members came to me and told me "Nice m[aybe] you should mention them going so far as to use illegal means like attempting to hack, actually hacking people, Doxxing and blackmail"

But there’s no evidence. There is a written confession however that someone broke site rules and used malicious means to gain passwords to someones accounts, that’s on you guys. Not Antifa.

In case you haven’t seen it: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1247578

"you guys" I don't support what he did. And I do not align with him.

[Daarwyrth]

I had published before I knew about it

Here I am, providing constructive criticism but you ignored my post?

Guess it'll be a hard against for me.

I'm afraid your post made too much sense and for some reason the OP won't just admit that they made a mistake and it's easier to ignore it. It's a common reaction with humans, to ignore inconvenient truths in the hope they'll disappear.

[Kavagrad]

Make America Great Again is easy to prove, just look at their RMB and you can see their member nations talking about Cultural Marxism (a conspiracy theory created by the Nazis) among other far-right dogwhistles. There's enough evidence to assume that they are crypro-fascists.

Make America Great Again was seized by ANTIFA due to a joint FCN/Redlandia operation we held in the region, a full year after said 'crypto-facist' comments were made. I don't think that's why it was raided, and the people who made those comments have long ceased to exist.

It's abhorrent for ANTIFA to have called the FCN and Redlandia facist/nazi supporters and used that as an excuse to raid a right-wing Trump-themed region.

If Redlandia, a fascist region (as previously discussed) held a region militarily, Antifa has every right to go in and remove it from their control. That FCN was a collaborator in the fascist occupation is irrelevant, and shouldn't be used to smear Antifa.

It is, I will admit, a bit unfair to call FCN "nazi supporters", but if you support fascists' military occupations (an act of fash-adjacency), I'm not sure what you're expecting.

[Rossiyaana]

But there’s no evidence. There is a written confession however that someone broke site rules and used malicious means to gain passwords to someones accounts, that’s on you guys. Not Antifa.

In case you haven’t seen it: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1247578

"you guys" I don't support what he did. And I do not align with him.

My mistake. I apologize, but the allegedly fascist nation is the one who admitted to breaking rules. Not Antifa.

[WayNeacTia]

Have you ever heard of something called research? Really a quite useful thing.

Allow me to explain then. After I published this and told my discord server about it one of my more famous and prominent members came to me and told me "Nice m[aybe] you should mention them going so far as to use illegal means like attempting to hack, actually hacking people, Doxxing and blackmail"

So where is the evidence? All I see is someone saying some shit, without any proof whatsoever.

[Praeceps]

Here I am, providing constructive criticism but you ignored my post?

Guess it'll be a hard against for me.

I'm afraid your post made too much sense and for some reason the OP won't just admit that they made a mistake and it's easier to ignore it. It's a common reaction with humans, to ignore inconvenient truths in the hope they'll disappear.

Unfortunately for the OP, given his refusal to engage, I will most likely be voting against and strongly urging for my region to stomp on it should it make it to vote.

That being said, given his assurance that his proposal will somehow make it to vote (yet still unwilling to respond to my constructive criticism), I'm rather inclined to work to make sure this proposal doesn't reach quorum.

[Daarwyrth]

Allow me to explain then. After I published this and told my discord server about it one of my more famous and prominent members came to me and told me "Nice m[aybe] you should mention them going so far as to use illegal means like attempting to hack, actually hacking people, Doxxing and blackmail"

So where is the evidence? All I see is someone saying some shit, without any proof whatsoever.

Making claims on the internet is easy. Especially if you can conveniently go offline when asked to provide evidence for your claims.

[Kavagrad]

Allow me to explain then. After I published this and told my discord server about it one of my more famous and prominent members came to me and told me "Nice m[aybe] you should mention them going so far as to use illegal means like attempting to hack, actually hacking people, Doxxing and blackmail"

You could have responded me, i actually know data affirming ANTIFA alliences with fascist nations

"He said, not actually providing it because it won't stand up to basic scrutiny."

[Daarwyrth]

I'm afraid your post made too much sense and for some reason the OP won't just admit that they made a mistake and it's easier to ignore it. It's a common reaction with humans, to ignore inconvenient truths in the hope they'll disappear.

Unfortunately for the OP, given his refusal to engage, I will most likely be voting against and strongly urging for my region to stomp on it should it make it to vote.

That being said, given his assurance that his proposal will somehow make it to vote (yet still unwilling to respond to my constructive criticism), I'm rather inclined to work to make sure this proposal doesn't reach quorum.

You have my full support in this endeavor!

[Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth]

Here I am, providing constructive criticism but you ignored my post?

Guess it'll be a hard against for me.

I'm afraid your post made too much sense and for some reason the OP won't just admit that they made a mistake and it's easier to ignore it. It's a common reaction with humans, to ignore inconvenient truths in the hope they'll disappear.

And who says I am human exactly? I know a lot of people that say Jews are exactly not human.

[Gagium]

Make America Great Again was seized by ANTIFA due to a joint FCN/Redlandia operation we held in the region, a full year after said 'crypto-facist' comments were made. I don't think that's why it was raided, and the people who made those comments have long ceased to exist.

It's abhorrent for ANTIFA to have called the FCN and Redlandia facist/nazi supporters and used that as an excuse to raid a right-wing Trump-themed region.

If Redlandia, a fascist region (as previously discussed) held a region militarily, Antifa has every right to go in and remove it from their control. That FCN was a collaborator in the fascist occupation is irrelevant, and shouldn't be used to smear Antifa.

It is, I will admit, a bit unfair to call FCN "nazi supporters", but if you support fascists' military occupations (an act of fash-adjacency), I'm not sure what you're expecting.

Have you ever been in Redlandia's discord server after they moved from Northern Redlands? Have you talked to any of them?

They weren't fascist, and Redlandia was never a facist region. Northern Redlands (Their predecessor) arguably did allow some unorthodox things to be posted, and their founder did apparently support some of these things being posted for the memes, though Redlandia wasn't fascist, and in their discord they never posted fascistcontent and spoke out against facism numerous times. Hell, Redlandia would later go on to participate in a coalition that raided numerous fascistregions + Farkasfalka.

I can see why one could suspect that Northern Redlands was facist-sympathizer at the most logically, though their successor region certainly cannot have logically been called fascist, and even NR logically cannot have been called a fascist region at any point. That's my two cents on it.

[WayNeacTia]

So where is the evidence? All I see is someone saying some shit, without any proof whatsoever.

Making claims on the internet is easy. Especially if you can conveniently go offline when asked to provide evidence for your claims.

People lie on the internet, and then disappear when asked for proof? I must say I am shocked!

[Rossiyaana]

I'm afraid your post made too much sense and for some reason the OP won't just admit that they made a mistake and it's easier to ignore it. It's a common reaction with humans, to ignore inconvenient truths in the hope they'll disappear.

And who says I am human exactly? I know a lot of people that say Jews are exactly not human.

Okay, stop right there. When you start saying stuff like that, that’s why people have a problem with you and others like you. Why would you say something like that?

[Daarwyrth]

I'm afraid your post made too much sense and for some reason the OP won't just admit that they made a mistake and it's easier to ignore it. It's a common reaction with humans, to ignore inconvenient truths in the hope they'll disappear.

And who says I am human exactly? I know a lot of people that say Jews are exactly not human.

I think you are taking this in a direction you don't want to go. No one here even remotely suggested anything of the sort, you are currently bringing this up entirely yourself.

[Kavagrad]

I'm afraid your post made too much sense and for some reason the OP won't just admit that they made a mistake and it's easier to ignore it. It's a common reaction with humans, to ignore inconvenient truths in the hope they'll disappear.

And who says I am human exactly? I know a lot of people that say Jews are exactly not human.

"Let me just say something completely irrelevant to this discussion in order to derail it and avoid having to defend my proposal. Nobody could possibly see through that, surely!"

[Blueflarst]

But there’s no evidence. There is a written confession however that someone broke site rules and used malicious means to gain passwords to someones accounts, that’s on you guys. Not Antifa.

In case you haven’t seen it: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1247578

"you guys" I don't support what he did. And I do not align with him.

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I hope i get your attention now