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Postby Zharkova » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:00 pm

Antifa lives to smash Fascism for another day. What a joke of a proposal.

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Not heroic per-se, but definitely a good thing.

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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:01 pm

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Gagium wrote:Are you saying the feature of raiding in NationStates is 'dehumanizing' towards those who get raided?

Jesus. Don't raid in NationStates guys, it's going to cause you to shoot fascists out on the streets!

OOC:That's not what I meant, the problem is that people are encouraging others to attack and destroy fascist regions, without even getting condemned because its seen as a heroic action.

That's a fair point. In old Nationstates, back when I was Klegspart you raid a lot and you will be condemned.
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Postby Fauxia » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:01 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:
Gagium wrote:Are you saying the feature of raiding in NationStates is 'dehumanizing' towards those who get raided?

Jesus. Don't raid in NationStates guys, it's going to cause you to shoot fascists out on the streets!

OOC:That's not what I meant, the problem is that people are encouraging others to attack and destroy fascist regions, without even getting condemned because its seen as a heroic action.

Yeah what’s wrong with that? It’s a disgusting ideology that deserves, if not censorship, then serious protest and impediments to its platforms where possible.

Edit: I misunderstood your point a bit but the top remains true.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:04 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:That's not what I meant, the problem is that people are encouraging others to attack and destroy fascist regions, without even getting condemned because its seen as a heroic action.

That's a fair point. In old Nationstates, back when I was Klegspart you raid a lot and you will be condemned.


When was this again? I've been around quite a while, and this is news to me.
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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:06 pm

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Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:That's a fair point. In old Nationstates, back when I was Klegspart you raid a lot and you will be condemned.


When was this again? I've been around quite a while, and this is news to me.

Ahh...I want to say 2 years ago maybe? I remember I was in the North Pacific and raiding regions were being condemned.

Then again, I am the most forgetful person on Nationstates.
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Hell, forget I said anything XD
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Postby Praeceps » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:08 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Hell, forget I said anything XD

So... Are you going to just ignore my post then? :eyebrow:
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Postby Kavagrad » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:09 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Kavagrad wrote:Except when it's against fascists, apparently.

You're letting your mask slip, pal.

No, I am only angry at Antifa for raiding non fascist regions and masquerading them as fascists who need to be destroyed. If you want evidence of this I provided 3 regions.

Let's look at each of them, shall we?

The Free Commonwealth was tagged Fascist, and had embassies with Farkasfalka, notorious fascists and holocaust deniers.

Northern Redlands had embassies with all sorts of fascists and holocaust deniers, including Nazi Europa, CoFN, and the "Nationstates White Genocide Memorial". Unequivocally fash.

Make America Great Again is easy to prove, just look at their RMB and you can see their member nations talking about Cultural Marxism (a conspiracy theory created by the Nazis) among other far-right dogwhistles. There's enough evidence to assume that they are crypro-fascists.

All of this is very easy to find out, it took me approx. 2 minutes of research. Research that you didn't do, because you care more about getting revenge on the organisation that raided your fascist region than you do about anything resembling factual information.
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Postby Rossiyaana » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:09 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Hell, forget I said anything XD

Not trying to rub it in or anything; but if you try to Condemn Antifa, this is how it’s bound to end up.
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Postby Fauxia » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:12 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:That's not what I meant, the problem is that people are encouraging others to attack and destroy fascist regions, without even getting condemned because its seen as a heroic action.

That's a fair point. In old Nationstates, back when I was Klegspart you raid a lot and you will be condemned.

See in order to condemned you need a large volume of raiding. I could be wrong but when you examine it I think you’ll find that Antifa doesn’t have a really large volume. Note that there are only three condemned raider regions (though one has two, because they have a long run as the most successful raider region, especially if you don’t count regions deleted for rulebreaking). One is Macedon, which had a nice bulk of regions, at least for its time. The third is Lone Wolves United, which also has a good run of messing with GCRs. Antifa doesn’t match the bar. And of course, raiding fascists is okay anyway.
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Postby Daarwyrth » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:12 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Hell, forget I said anything XD


Well this is interesting. First you had supposedly ground-breaking evidence, which was coming our way soon, but now suddenly you're fleeing the scene?

I think this should be a case of wrongful accusation of ANTIFA by the OP.
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Postby Kavagrad » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:13 pm

Daarwyrth wrote:
Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Hell, forget I said anything XD


Well this is interesting. First you had supposedly ground-breaking evidence, which was coming our way soon, but now suddenly you're fleeing the scene?

I think this should be a case of wrongful accusation of ANTIFA by the OP.

Clearly, OP couldn't figure out how photoshop works, and gave up.
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Postby Sodoran Alesia » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:15 pm

Kavagrad wrote:
Daarwyrth wrote:
Well this is interesting. First you had supposedly ground-breaking evidence, which was coming our way soon, but now suddenly you're fleeing the scene?

I think this should be a case of wrongful accusation of ANTIFA by the OP.

Clearly, OP couldn't figure out how photoshop works, and gave up.


Considering how little research OP has done, they're probably expecting someone else to do it for them.

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Postby Gagium » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:15 pm

Kavagrad wrote:
Daarwyrth wrote:
Well this is interesting. First you had supposedly ground-breaking evidence, which was coming our way soon, but now suddenly you're fleeing the scene?

I think this should be a case of wrongful accusation of ANTIFA by the OP.

Clearly, OP couldn't figure out how photoshop works, and gave up.

OP has told me that the person with the evidence was offline, I guess. I'm assuming it'll come out eventually...right?
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Postby WayNeacTia » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:16 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:
When was this again? I've been around quite a while, and this is news to me.

Ahh...I want to say 2 years ago maybe? I remember I was in the North Pacific and raiding regions were being condemned.

Then again, I am the most forgetful person on Nationstates.


Yeah.. No. Hasn't been a region condemned for raiding in quite a while, save for The Hawks, who received a second and better condemnation. Perhaps some of this evidence you claim to have can be presented? One dispatch, that is completely wrong does not make damning evidence.
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Postby Daarwyrth » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:17 pm

Gagium wrote:
Kavagrad wrote:Clearly, OP couldn't figure out how photoshop works, and gave up.

OP has told me that the person with the evidence was offline, I guess. I'm assuming it'll come out eventually...right?


What an unfortunate coincidence then that the person with the evidence was unavailable to deliver it!
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Postby Sodoran Alesia » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:18 pm

Daarwyrth wrote:
Gagium wrote:OP has told me that the person with the evidence was offline, I guess. I'm assuming it'll come out eventually...right?


What a fortunate coincidence then that the person with the evidence was unavailable to deliver it!


You'd think OP would've gotten the evidence before posting the draft.

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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:19 pm

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Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:No, I am only angry at Antifa for raiding non fascist regions and masquerading them as fascists who need to be destroyed. If you want evidence of this I provided 3 regions.

Let's look at each of them, shall we?

The Free Commonwealth was tagged Fascist, and had embassies with Farkasfalka, notorious fascists and holocaust deniers.

Northern Redlands had embassies with all sorts of fascists and holocaust deniers, including Nazi Europa, CoFN, and the "Nationstates White Genocide Memorial". Unequivocally fash.

Make America Great Again is easy to prove, just look at their RMB and you can see their member nations talking about Cultural Marxism (a conspiracy theory created by the Nazis) among other far-right dogwhistles. There's enough evidence to assume that they are crypro-fascists.

All of this is very easy to find out, it took me approx. 2 minutes of research. Research that you didn't do, because you care more about getting revenge on the organisation that raided your fascist region than you do about anything resembling factual information.

Allow me to get pissed for a second.

The Free Commonwealth was very much not fascist. If you would have read the constitution and laws you would realize that. Maybe you should do your research there.

Yes, tagged fascist. Fucking and? Commonwealth of Liberty is too. They aint fascist.

And they had embassies with Farkasfalka. Again, fucking and? Who you are friends with shouldnt mark you as fascist or communist. It is your own beliefs that do that. If you disagree with that you are worse than any fascist.

Same point as above for Northern Redlands

I was not aware of that point specifically for MAGA, I understand to some extent a raid there
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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:21 pm

Daarwyrth wrote:
Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Hell, forget I said anything XD


Well this is interesting. First you had supposedly ground-breaking evidence, which was coming our way soon, but now suddenly you're fleeing the scene?

I think this should be a case of wrongful accusation of ANTIFA by the OP.

That evidence, about that... My supplier on discord has gone offline since this morning unfortunately. I will be adding it in as soon as possible though
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Postby Blueflarst » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:21 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:The Security Council;

Recognizing the extreme wrongdoing a region or nation must commit to receive condemnation;

Acknowledging that one region has such qualities of wrongdoing, Antifa;

Noting that Antifa is not a region on it's own, but an alliance of regions, including but not limited to: The Leftist Assembly and The Communist Bloc, and The MT Army;

Proof of their intentions to destroy fascism is implanted everywhere and is well known.

Understanding that this is not the worst part of Antifa, as the worst part is unjust raids against NON fascist regions

Appalled at Antifa for raiding, and provoking regions that are NOT fascist just for their affiliation or the belief in freedom of speech, including:

a. The Free Commonwealth A new region, destroyed for their hate of Antifa. Absolutely not fascist.
b. Northern Redlands Libertarian-Right of Center region, raided for no reason found.
c. Make America Great Again Conservative region, presumably raided for the wrong assumption that they are fascist

Highlighting that these regions did nothing wrong to deserve a raid, other than disagree with principles of ANTIFA

Noticing that Antifa openly or discreetly attacks ALL rightist regions as to fit the leftist and communist agenda of Antifa

Hereby condemns Antifa, a threat to peace in NationStates

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Postby Daarwyrth » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:22 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Kavagrad wrote:Let's look at each of them, shall we?

The Free Commonwealth was tagged Fascist, and had embassies with Farkasfalka, notorious fascists and holocaust deniers.

Northern Redlands had embassies with all sorts of fascists and holocaust deniers, including Nazi Europa, CoFN, and the "Nationstates White Genocide Memorial". Unequivocally fash.

Make America Great Again is easy to prove, just look at their RMB and you can see their member nations talking about Cultural Marxism (a conspiracy theory created by the Nazis) among other far-right dogwhistles. There's enough evidence to assume that they are crypro-fascists.

All of this is very easy to find out, it took me approx. 2 minutes of research. Research that you didn't do, because you care more about getting revenge on the organisation that raided your fascist region than you do about anything resembling factual information.

Allow me to get pissed for a second.
The Free Commonwealth was very much not fascist. If you would have read the constitution and laws you would realize that. Maybe you should do your research there.

Yes, tagged fascist. Fucking and? Commonwealth of Liberty is too. They aint fascist.

And they had embassies with Farkasfalka. Again, fucking and? Who you are friends with shouldnt mark you as fascist or communist. It is your own beliefs that do that. If you disagree with that you are worse than any fascist.

Same point as above for Northern Redlands

I was not aware of that point specifically for MAGA, I understand to some extent a raid there


Well, if you stand next to a robber stealing someone's money and don't do anything, the police will take you into custody as well for being a suspected accomplice. The same applies here, so don't be surprised your region was targeted.
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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:22 pm

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What a fortunate coincidence then that the person with the evidence was unavailable to deliver it!


You'd think OP would've gotten the evidence before posting the draft.

I had published before I knew about it
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Postby WayNeacTia » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:23 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Daarwyrth wrote:
Well this is interesting. First you had supposedly ground-breaking evidence, which was coming our way soon, but now suddenly you're fleeing the scene?

I think this should be a case of wrongful accusation of ANTIFA by the OP.

That evidence, about that... My supplier on discord has gone offline since this morning unfortunately. I will be adding it in as soon as possible though


So as soon as someone figures out how to either photoshop the evidence, or has time to set up a new discord server, with fake names as to generate this so called evidence? Is the horseshoe close to the post yet?

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:I had published before I knew about it


Really? Seems to be the crux of your condemnation. Did you have some miracle foresight?
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Postby Sodoran Alesia » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:24 pm

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You'd think OP would've gotten the evidence before posting the draft.

I had published before I knew about it


Have you ever heard of something called research? Really a quite useful thing.

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