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[DRAFT] Condemn ANTIFA

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Recognizing the extreme wrongdoing a region or nation must commit to receive condemnation;

Acknowledging that one region has such qualities of wrongdoing, Antifa;

Noting that Antifa is not a region on its own, but an alliance of regions, including but not limited to: The Leftist Assembly, The Red Fleet, The Communist Bloc, and The MT Army. Condemning Antifa is therefore indirectly, rightfully, condemning them all.;

Proof of their intentions to destroy fascism, and fascism only, is implanted everywhere and is very well known and usually respected.

Understanding that this is not the appalling part of Antifa. As it is the unjustified, or severely underjustified raids against NON fascist regions

Appalled at Antifa for raiding, and provoking regions that are NOT fascist, but for their affiliation or the belief in freedom of speech, including:

a. The Free Commonwealth A new region, raided due to their "Fascist" tag. They were absolutely not fascist, hence their population/government/laws.
b. Northern Redlands Libertarian-Right of Center region, raided for "concerning RMB posts".
c. Make America Great Again Conservative region, presumably raided for the wrong assumption that they are fascist.
d. League of the United Tribes of Dakia Not fascist, unfortunately they refounded and Antifa did not restate their justification.

Highlighting that these regions did nothing wrong to deserve a raid, other than disagree with principles of ANTIFA that shouldn't exist in the first place.

Noticing that Antifa openly or discreetly attacks ALL rightist regions as to fit the leftist and communist agenda of Antifa

Hereby condemns Antifa, a threat to peace in NationStates

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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:03 am

I don't know all the regions ANTIFA has taken over, if anyone knows some more non fascist regions that's be much appreciated
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Postby Armaros » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:14 am

Oh god, here we go again.
Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:The Security Council;

Recognizing the extreme wrongdoing a region or nation must commit to receive this institution;

“Receive this institution? What “institution” are you referring to? I don’t get this clause.
Seeing that one region has such qualities of wrongdoing, Antifa;

Noting that Antifa is not a region on it's own, but an alliance of regions, including The Leftist Assembly and The Communist Bloc, and the Pacific;

Several things are wrong here:
1. When you say “The Leftist Assembly, The Communist Block and the Pacific”, punctuation is important.
2. The Pacific is not officially a member of Antifa, they just work alongside each other.
3. What stands out about these three regions that they are named, yet the other member regions are jot?
Proof of their intentions highlighted in the World Factbook Entries of regions they take over, for example, "Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same. (The Free Commonwealth, as of August 15, 2019)"

Yeah uh, Antifa has never exactly hidden “their intentions” about fighting fascism.
Appaled at Antifa for raiding, provoking regions (some not even fascist, just conservative) just for their ideologies, including:

a. The Free Commonwealth, a region just starting out, barely even fascist at all.

You go on to list a single region? Also, what’s with the “barely” fascist? And does this region have anything to do with your own region, “The Free Republican Commonwealth”?
Highlighting that these regions did nothing wrong to deserve a raid, just their ideologies

Their ideologies are enough to deserve a raid.
Noticing that Antifa only attacks rightist regions since they are composed of leftist and communist regions, calling rightists "diseased"

Ehhh last I checked, fascism was referred to as “far-right” so yes. And I have yet to see Antifa calling rightists “diseased”. Unless you’re referring to fascism as “rightists”?
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Fixed, thank you
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Postby The Blackcat Isles » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:48 am

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Appaled at Antifa for raiding, and provoking regions that are not fascist just for their affiliation or the belief in freedom of speech, including:

a. The Free Commonwealth which was not fascist at all.

Highlighting that these regions did nothing wrong to deserve a raid, other than disagree with principles of ANTIFA



Is this particular region so special in NationStates that it deserves to be highlighted like this? If not, then you should include all the other raids you deemed unfair, as now you're offering incredibly little substance as to why ANTIFA should supposedly be condemned. In all honesty, the entirety of the draft proposal holds incredibly little substance and it's too easy to poke holes in it.
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The Blackcat Isles wrote:
Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Appaled at Antifa for raiding, and provoking regions that are not fascist just for their affiliation or the belief in freedom of speech, including:

a. The Free Commonwealth which was not fascist at all.

Highlighting that these regions did nothing wrong to deserve a raid, other than disagree with principles of ANTIFA



Is this particular region so special in NationStates that it deserves to be highlighted like this? If not, then you should include all the other raids you deemed unfair, as now you're offering incredibly little substance as to why ANTIFA should supposedly be condemned. In all honesty, the entirety of the draft proposal holds incredibly little substance and it's too easy to poke holes in it.

Read my second post
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Postby The Blackcat Isles » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:52 am

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
The Blackcat Isles wrote:
Is this particular region so special in NationStates that it deserves to be highlighted like this? If not, then you should include all the other raids you deemed unfair, as now you're offering incredibly little substance as to why ANTIFA should supposedly be condemned. In all honesty, the entirety of the draft proposal holds incredibly little substance and it's too easy to poke holes in it.

Read my second post


Then you need to do your own research before drafting a proposal. This comes across as incredibly lazy, as it's not the job of others to fill in YOUR proposal. You're the one who wants to put this out there, that means YOU are responsible for the information and research, not anyone else.
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Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Read my second post


Then you need to do your own research before drafting a proposal. This comes across as incredibly lazy, as it's not the job of others to fill in YOUR proposal. You're the one who wants to put this out there, that means YOU are responsible for the information and research, not anyone else.

I am working on it, how about you look at other parts of the resolution and continue saying how lazy I am.
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OOC: ANTIFA does raid region’s that aren’t actually fascist, and there have been attempts to condemn them before, it’s futile due to them having influence in powerful voting blocs
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IC: "Egregious punctuation mistakes and erroneous formatting, false accusations of terrorism, and unironic apologism for the supposed right of an extremist ideology (Fascism) to spread its ipso facto intolerant screeds, which, if imposed to its fullest extent, would ultimately result in totalitarianism and would dismantle every facet of tolerance and liberal democracy, as happened in virtually every country in the world community which adopted fascism. This draft is riddled with so many errors that I would be surprised if this is even submitted, much less passes quorum."
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:00 am

Aureumterra wrote:OOC: ANTIFA does raid region’s that aren’t actually fascist, and there have been attempts to condemn them before, it’s futile due to them having influence in powerful voting blocs

Indeed. There is no point in submitting this even after it is revised, as it won't pass.
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Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
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Then you need to do your own research before drafting a proposal. This comes across as incredibly lazy, as it's not the job of others to fill in YOUR proposal. You're the one who wants to put this out there, that means YOU are responsible for the information and research, not anyone else.

I am working on it, how about you look at other parts of the resolution and continue saying how lazy I am.


I said "comes across as lazy". You're the one calling yourself lazy at the moment.

All I am saying is that you can't expect other people to fill in information that you should provide. But since you say you're working on it, I trust that you'll put it in the draft once you have researched it properly and obtained the information that you should have looked up before putting up the draft.
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Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:IC: "Egregious punctuation mistakes and erroneous formatting, false accusations of terrorism, and unironic apologism for the supposed right of an extremist ideology (Fascism) to spread its ipso facto intolerant ideology, which, if imposed to its fullest extent, would ultimately result in totalitarianism and would dismantle every facet of tolerance and liberal democracy, as happened in virtually every country in the world community which adopted fascism. This draft is riddled with so many errors that I would be surprised if this is even submitted, much less passes quorum."

“ANTIFA is aligned with very radical regions such as the communist bloc, however, and they are known for raiding any region, even those who are very moderate.”

OOC: Even if this reaches quorum, like I said, won’t pass due to WA voting bloc corruption
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Aureumterra wrote:
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:IC: "Egregious punctuation mistakes and erroneous formatting, false accusations of terrorism, and unironic apologism for the supposed right of an extremist ideology (Fascism) to spread its ipso facto intolerant ideology, which, if imposed to its fullest extent, would ultimately result in totalitarianism and would dismantle every facet of tolerance and liberal democracy, as happened in virtually every country in the world community which adopted fascism. This draft is riddled with so many errors that I would be surprised if this is even submitted, much less passes quorum."

“ANTIFA is aligned with very radical regions such as the communist bloc, however, and they are known for raiding any region, even those who are very moderate.”

OOC: Even if this reaches quorum, like I said, won’t pass due to WA voting bloc corruption

OOC: Well man, you never know
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Aureumterra wrote:
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:IC: "Egregious punctuation mistakes and erroneous formatting, false accusations of terrorism, and unironic apologism for the supposed right of an extremist ideology (Fascism) to spread its ipso facto intolerant ideology, which, if imposed to its fullest extent, would ultimately result in totalitarianism and would dismantle every facet of tolerance and liberal democracy, as happened in virtually every country in the world community which adopted fascism. This draft is riddled with so many errors that I would be surprised if this is even submitted, much less passes quorum."

“ANTIFA is aligned with very radical regions such as the communist bloc, however, and they are known for raiding any region, even those who are very moderate.”

OOC: Even if this reaches quorum, like I said, won’t pass due to WA voting bloc corruption

"A sizeable portion of "The Communist Bloc" are social democrats and reformist democratic socialists as evidenced by their most recent census, who are compared to the Marxist-Leninist nomenklatura, moderates, so it would be erroneous to label TCB as a monolithic "terrorist" region. And I am yet to see specific instances of Antifa raiding regions which do not harbour reactionaries or far-righters, also known as wingnuts. Mind citing some specific examples?"
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Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:“ANTIFA is aligned with very radical regions such as the communist bloc, however, and they are known for raiding any region, even those who are very moderate.”

OOC: Even if this reaches quorum, like I said, won’t pass due to WA voting bloc corruption

OOC: Well man, you never know

OOC: It’s common knowledge by now that centre-left to far-left regions control the massive voting blocs, which is why the SC disproportionately condemns the Right and any attempts to condemn the left are struck down, I remember there being a dispatch on this that became quite popular…

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1197112
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Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:“ANTIFA is aligned with very radical regions such as the communist bloc, however, and they are known for raiding any region, even those who are very moderate.”

OOC: Even if this reaches quorum, like I said, won’t pass due to WA voting bloc corruption

OOC: Well man, you never know

I do. This is not the first time such a proposal as been brought before here, and the feeders and all the large regions' delegates shoot it down quickly. Unless Antifa's influence here wains, this will not pass.
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Aureumterra wrote:
Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:OOC: Well man, you never know

OOC: It’s common knowledge by now that centre-left to far-left regions control the massive voting blocs, which is why the SC disproportionately condemns the Right and any attempts to condemn the left are struck down, I remember there being a dispatch on this that became quite popular…

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1197112

OOC: Or it's because left-of-centre policies are popular in overall and almost nobody would seriously consider endorsing neoliberalism (The contemporary dogma of the right ever since Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher started the project of mass privatization and dismantlement of welfare states beginning in the late 1970s-early 1980s) after the disaster of 2008. Hell, even the fundamentalist wiki that is Conservapedia condemns neoliberalism as " a prime example of social darwinism", in spite of the fact they are known for labelling anyone who opposes their views as a "socialist", so that should tell you something about how unpopular laissez-faire austerity economics are these days.

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Aureumterra wrote:
Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:OOC: Well man, you never know

OOC: It’s common knowledge by now that centre-left to far-left regions control the massive voting blocs, which is why the SC disproportionately condemns the Right and any attempts to condemn the left are struck down, I remember there being a dispatch on this that became quite popular…

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1197112

OOC: Yes but it might strike a point, and you don't have you don't have to be conservative to see ANTIFA is broken
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Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:OOC: It’s common knowledge by now that centre-left to far-left regions control the massive voting blocs, which is why the SC disproportionately condemns the Right and any attempts to condemn the left are struck down, I remember there being a dispatch on this that became quite popular…

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1197112

OOC: Or it's because left-of-centre policies are popular in overall and almost nobody would seriously consider endorsing neoliberalism (The contemporary dogma of the right ever since Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher started the project of mass privatization and dismantlement of welfare states beginning in the late 1970s-early 1980s) after the disaster of 2008. Hell, even the fundamentalist wiki that is Conservapedia condemns neoliberalism as " a prime example of social darwinism", in spite of the fact they are known for labelling anyone who opposes their views as a "socialist", so that should tell you something about how unpopular laissez-faire austerity economics are these days.

OOC: The same guy made a follow-up dispatch addressing this https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1197835

NS has a roughly even amount of people on all sides of the political spectrum, just go on NSG for that, WA voting bloc corruption does happen, and it’s common knowledge by now. The point is that the OP shouldn’t be too optimistic about this because the system has many flaws and biases against this proposal
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I am going to say this now. I know the chances of this passing are slim but I am still going to do it. If you don't have any criticism to push on me or information about more regions Antifa has raided then just leave this forum. Please.
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Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:OOC: It’s common knowledge by now that centre-left to far-left regions control the massive voting blocs, which is why the SC disproportionately condemns the Right and any attempts to condemn the left are struck down, I remember there being a dispatch on this that became quite popular…

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1197112

OOC: Yes but it might strike a point, and you don't have you don't have to be conservative to see ANTIFA is broken

OOC: People know Antifa is broken, they’re too influential to have this passed though, they pull the strings on many left wing voting blocs
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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:24 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:OOC: Or it's because left-of-centre policies are popular in overall and almost nobody would seriously consider endorsing neoliberalism (The contemporary dogma of the right ever since Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher started the project of mass privatization and dismantlement of welfare states beginning in the late 1970s-early 1980s) after the disaster of 2008. Hell, even the fundamentalist wiki that is Conservapedia condemns neoliberalism as " a prime example of social darwinism", in spite of the fact they are known for labelling anyone who opposes their views as a "socialist", so that should tell you something about how unpopular laissez-faire austerity economics are these days.

OOC: The same guy made a follow-up dispatch addressing this https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1197835

NS has a roughly even amount of people on all sides of the political spectrum, just go on NSG for that, WA voting bloc corruption does happen, and it’s common knowledge by now. The point is that the OP shouldn’t be too optimistic about this because the system has many flaws and biases against this proposal

OOC: If your policies didn't cause massive financial crises and stock market crashes every 3-7 years, prop up right-wing dictators and oligarchs in Latin America, and didn't exacerbate political corruption and the already severe gaps between incomes in Western countries or cause the deaths of tens of thousands in the U.S. alone every year due to a lack of access to healthcare for instance, then you would enjoy a far higher representation on the WA than you do in our timeline. My 50 cents here.
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Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:OOC: The same guy made a follow-up dispatch addressing this https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1197835

NS has a roughly even amount of people on all sides of the political spectrum, just go on NSG for that, WA voting bloc corruption does happen, and it’s common knowledge by now. The point is that the OP shouldn’t be too optimistic about this because the system has many flaws and biases against this proposal

OOC: If your policies didn't cause massive financial crises and stock market crashes every 3-7 years, and didn't exacerbate political corruption and the already severe gaps between incomes in Western countries or cause the deaths of tens of thousands in the U.S. alone every year due to a lack of access to healthcare for instance, then you would enjoy a far higher representation on the WA than you do in our timeline. My 50 cents here.

OOC: Sigh It’s not about politics, it’s about voting blocs, I assume you know how they work, right?
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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:25 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:OOC: Yes but it might strike a point, and you don't have you don't have to be conservative to see ANTIFA is broken

OOC: People know Antifa is broken, they’re too influential to have this passed though, they pull the strings on many left wing voting blocs

OOC: Maybe the point of this resolution is to find those left wing voting blocs? Who knows? Maybe this is part of a much larger operation? Maybe not? Maybe there is a whole thing behind this that you dont understand. And it doesnt matter. Like what I said before, this is going to make it to the voting floor. If it doesnt pass, oh well.
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