[PASSED] Condemn The New Inquisition

by **Cormactopia Prime** » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:54 pm

Condemn The New Inquisition
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation | Nominee: The New Inquisition | Proposed by: Cormactopia Prime

The Security Council:

Acknowledging that The New Inquisition is currently dormant, but recognizing the possibility The New Inquisition could rise again to pose a threat to other regions;

Denouncing The New Inquisition for pursuing imperialism through acts of duplicitous subversion, unprovoked aggression, and wanton destruction against peaceful, sovereign regional communities throughout the world, including as a constituent region of the former United Imperial Armed Forces (UIAF);

Reproaching The New Inquisition for once establishing a formal alliance with The Black Riders and maintaining a close military partnership with The Black Hawks, both previously condemned by this Security Council for their acts of regional destruction, acts at times supported by The New Inquisition;

Rebuking The New Inquisition for the following deplorable offenses against interregional peace and goodwill:

Support for the Crimson Order, a rogue regime led by Lewis and Clark, which perpetrated a more than two month long coup d'etat against the constitutional government of The North Pacific;
Support for and formal alliance with the Empire, a rogue regime led by Lady Phedre, which perpetrated a more than four month long coup d'etat against the constitutional government of The East Pacific;
Declaration of war against The North Pacific to support allies the Empire and Gatesville, which had also declared war against The North Pacific;
Absurd claims of sovereignty over Valhalla, used to rationalize war against the Founderless Regions Alliance (FRA) and its member regions, which once included Lazarus and the Rejected Realms;
Occupation of Belgium to use as a staging ground for invasion of the Rejected Realms, the latter invasion including the use of involuntary conscripts forced to participate without their knowledge or consent;
Subversion of the community and government of Lazarus by a senior official of The New Inquisition, without censure from the government of The New Inquisition, ultimately resulting in the expulsion of this official and other citizens of The New Inquisition from Lazarus;
Support for the Imperium -- a rogue regime led by The Dourian Embassy, which at the time was controlled by a puppet government answerable to Nevadar and Durkadurkiranistan II of Gatesville Inc, and which perpetrated a one month long coup d'etat against the constitutional government of Osiris -- providing significant military support and strategic data to deliberately prolong the coup;
Termination of an alliance with the South Pacific due to ratification of a treaty of mutual defense between the South Pacific and the Rejected Realms, which at the time had a chilling effect on the sovereign right of other prominent allies of The New Inquisition to formalize alliances with Lazarus and the Rejected Realms;
Assertion of illegitimate claims to sovereignty over Concosia to rationalize war against the United Defenders League (UDL), following attempts by the UDL to liberate Concosia from forced colonization by The New Inquisition;
Use of wars against the FRA and the UDL to rationalize invasion and occupation of countless regions throughout the world, often with little or no actual connection to the FRA or the UDL, including but by no means limited to the following regions that have previously endured UIAF occupation: The True Rebirth, Middle Earth, New Zealand, Australia, Slavia, Scotland, Slavya, Canada, and Eastern Europe;
Declaring The New Inquisition to be among the most belligerent and dangerous regions in world history, and desiring to place an enduring censure upon the actions of its bellicose, imperialist regime;

Hereby Condemns The New Inquisition.

This is basically the same proposal that was defeated in February 2015, updated to reflect that The New Inquisition is currently a dormant region, but otherwise with very few changes to the text of the earlier proposal. Given changes to interregional circumstances, I think it has a better chance today.

Suggestions are welcome.

by **Marilyn Manson Freaks** » Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:37 pm

Full support. TNI and Onder have gone uncondemned for long enough.

by **Unibot III** » Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:09 pm

Full support. Good text too.

Was TNI alive for NLO/UDoL?

by **Armaros** » Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:28 pm

I support the idea, TNI deserves a condemn. Not sure about this line though:

Subversion by high profile officials of The New Inquisition of the community and government of Lazarus for the purpose of asserting and maintaining imperialist hegemony over the region, ultimately resulting in the expulsion of these subversives from Lazarus;

Because I'm pretty sure that was the exact excuse the NPO, of all people, used to purge nearly all imperialists and raiders. Any base for this claim, aside from the NPO's propaganda?

by **Kranostav** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:21 am

Seems well written. I imagine you are approaching the character limit there too?

by **Roavin** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:41 am

Can we liberate it too so I can raid it?

by **Cormactopia Prime** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:20 pm

Marilyn Manson Freaks wrote:Full support. TNI and Onder have gone uncondemned for long enough.

Unibot III wrote:Full support. Good text too.

Was TNI alive for NLO/UDoL?

Thank you both!

Re: the NLO and the Undead Dominion, TNI definitely wasn't alive for the latter. I don't recall it being alive for the former either, but if it was, it must not have been involved in either supporting or opposing the NLO because I would remember either support or opposition, and it would have been documented by The Miniluv Messenger at the time. The independent-imperialist sphere largely stayed out of that conflict, essentially arguing that neither side deserved their support because both sides had supported the anti-imperialist purge conducted prior to establishment of the People's Republic of Lazarus.

Armaros wrote:I support the idea, TNI deserves a condemn. Not sure about this line though:
Subversion by high profile officials of The New Inquisition of the community and government of Lazarus for the purpose of asserting and maintaining imperialist hegemony over the region, ultimately resulting in the expulsion of these subversives from Lazarus;

Because I'm pretty sure that was the exact excuse the NPO, of all people, used to purge nearly all imperialists and raiders. Any base for this claim, aside from the NPO's propaganda?

Do you exist in NationStates for any purpose at this point than to just parrot Evil Wolf's NSGP server propaganda for him on the forums?

There are logs of North East Somerset talking to Unibot in 2012 about TNI "holding" Lazarus:

Before anyone has an "AHA!" moment, yes, these logs were revealed as part of The NPO's Retort in September 2013. That of course doesn't matter at all, because the NPO revealing them doesn't change what NES actually said in the logs. That will, of course, not stop Evil Wolf & Co. from insisting a clause sourced with NES' own words is somehow "NPO propaganda" simply because someone from the NPO posted the logs. That's ludicrous, obviously, but I've come to believe the "L" in LWU stands for "Ludicrous" and not "Lone" as we've all been told over the years. A clever ruse, but we're onto you now.

Kranostav wrote:Seems well written. I imagine you are approaching the character limit there too?

Thank you! I honestly haven't checked the character limit, but if I'm over, I'll do some trimming down.

Roavin wrote:Can we liberate it too so I can raid it?

I mean, someone else could author that, but I'm only interested in giving TNI the badge it deserves for playing the villain well for a number of years. I have no interest in doing any damage to TNI and would be vehemently opposed to a liberation proposal. Assuming you were even serious.

by **Armaros** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:52 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:Do you exist in NationStates for any purpose at this point than to just parrot Evil Wolf's NSGP server propaganda for him on the forums?

I guess you’re talking about what Xor pointed out to me in the GP server? Either way, yay for personal attacks on anyone who dares ask evidence for a claim made by a regime out on purging raiders and imperialists from Lazarus.

There are logs of North East Somerset talking to Unibot in 2012 about TNI "holding" Lazarus:

MSN LOGS FROM: 2012-10-03
NES: Anyway, this is the past, what of the future
Clearly the NPO regard the UDL sphere as a threat. But what of the independent sphere? TNI is at "war" with the UDL. Maybe we are just to small and ill-equipped to have any influence on this all anyway
But the real problem is that members of the UDL-sphere are so anti-independent sphere, and we are so anti-UDL sphere. These squabbles take priority over any wider interests
And thats as much because of your closed-minded labelling of us as evil invaders, as it is our fear of the UDL sphere
I guess you see it as a kind of triangle today: UDL (& defenders)- NPO - Raider barbarians.
The independent sphere is just the modern Gatesville
Unibot: I think both Gatesville and NPO were independent. More so than TNI is or ever will be
NES: Not sure I follow
Unibot: PRP was practically defender
NES: Right, well I just meant they acted as independent powers. Which Gatesville also did. Nothing to do with defender raider labels. Thats irrelevant in this context
Unibot: GV also raided, like TNI does
NES: Sure, but never mind raider-defender stuff right now. I suppose there is room for comparison. GV worked with NPO throughout the struggles of course. They only fell out right at the end after the ADN collapse
Unibot: TNI and NPO could be allies
NES: If history is to repeat itself. Then, yes. If NPO respected TNI' presense in Lazarus or Balder. But history led to years of stagnation and ruined the feeders
Unibot: Which it really has not
NES: It clearly regards TNI as incompetent and unable to hold these places in face of the UDL. Which may or may not be true. I know if I left things to my colleagues we would see a repeat of history. But we could possibly change history, here in this room, in this chat.
NES: Or I could just defect to the UDL... orly But I doubt you'd have me

Fair, I presume. Didn’t know this, thanks for the evidence.

Before anyone has an "AHA!" moment, yes, these logs were revealed as part of The NPO's Retort in September 2013. That of course doesn't matter at all, because the NPO revealing them doesn't change what NES actually said in the logs. That will, of course, not stop Evil Wolf & Co. from insisting a clause sourced with NES' own words is somehow "NPO propaganda" simply because someone from the NPO posted the logs. That's ludicrous, obviously, but I've come to believe the "L" in LWU stands for "Ludicrous" and not "Lone" as we've all been told over the years. A clever ruse, but we're onto you now.

Keep your bullshit away from here - I’m commenting on your proposal and asking for evidence regarding actions taken by TNI I wasn’t aware of besides being told by the NPO and the PRL. I don’t particularly understand how my question for evidence prompted you to this nonsense, but I’d ask you to stop and actually reasonably answer instead of... this.

by **Cormactopia Prime** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:16 pm

Armaros wrote:I don’t particularly understand how my question for evidence prompted you to this

Search for "TNI" in the #security_council channel on the NSGP server and look for the argument yesterday between Evil Wolf and me over this exact same issue, if you'd like. That should explain why I thought you were just picking up where he left off and being antagonistic, instead of asking a real question.

Since it appears you were being genuine in asking the question, I apologize for my hostile tone.

by **Armaros** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:52 am

I have seen it and I get where you get the idea from, but no: my question was genuine.

Full support for this proposal. TNI very much deserves a condemn.

by **Cormactopia Prime** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:05 pm

Armaros wrote:Full support for this proposal. TNI very much deserves a condemn.

Thanks for the support!

Regarding the earlier question about the character limit, I checked and the proposal is under the limit, so we're good.

I'm probably only going to leave this here for feedback until Sunday, August 18, at which time I'll be submitting unless revisions delay submission.

by **Cormactopia Prime** » Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:42 pm

I have updated the clause related to Lazarus to more accurately reflect what the available evidence demonstrates:

Subversion of the community and government of Lazarus by a senior official of The New Inquisition, without censure from the government of The New Inquisition, ultimately resulting in the expulsion of this official and other citizens of The New Inquisition from Lazarus;

As there has been no further feedback, this proposal will likely be submitted tomorrow.

by **Wymondham** » Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:19 pm

Full support, TNI is definitely deserving of a condemnation

by **Cormactopia Prime** » Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:15 pm

This proposal has been submitted.

I also posted the list of evidentiary citations I included in my campaign telegram in the OP of this thread.

by **Bhang Bhang Duc** » Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:57 pm

Nicely written and well argued. Support from me.

by **Eumaeus** » Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:47 am

I meant to say this a few days ago but forgot to actually post it: as usual, the quality of Cormac's writing has made giving feedback far too easy for me to have any fun. This is well written and well argued and I see nothing that is worth changing.

by **Cormactopia Prime** » Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:49 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Nicely written and well argued. Support from me.

Eumaeus wrote:I meant to say this a few days ago but forgot to actually post it: as usual, the quality of Cormac's writing has made giving feedback far too easy for me to have any fun. This is well written and well argued and I see nothing that is worth changing.

Thank you both!

by **George Mountbatten VI** » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:46 pm

Nicely written Cormac. It's really not surprising though, you always were good at this. While you're at it let me get one.

by **Vaculatestar64** » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:48 pm

Don't forget about me.

by **Cormactopia Prime** » Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:21 pm

George Mountbatten VI wrote:Nicely written Cormac. It's really not surprising though, you always were good at this. While you're at it let me get one.

Vaculatestar64 wrote:Don't forget about me.

Neither of you have done anything in-character significant enough to warrant condemnation, as your list of gameplay accomplishments is basically zero, and I'm against OOC condemnations. Nobody wants in-character villains lumped in with... well, people like you two. So that'd be a no from me.

by **George Mountbatten VI** » Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:37 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
George Mountbatten VI wrote:Nicely written Cormac. It's really not surprising though, you always were good at this. While you're at it let me get one.
Vaculatestar64 wrote:Don't forget about me.

Neither of you have done anything in-character significant enough to warrant condemnation, as your list of gameplay accomplishments is basically zero, and I'm against OOC condemnations. Nobody wants in-character villains lumped in with... well, people like you two. So that'd be a no from me.

What an absolute pity. Here I was thinking this place has changed but I guess not. Still the same Cormac. I think I'll get comfortable though, I'm sure there are things that need doing

by **WayNeacTia** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:22 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
George Mountbatten VI wrote:Nicely written Cormac. It's really not surprising though, you always were good at this. While you're at it let me get one.
Vaculatestar64 wrote:Don't forget about me.

Neither of you have done anything in-character significant enough to warrant condemnation, as your list of gameplay accomplishments is basically zero, and I'm against OOC condemnations. Nobody wants in-character villains lumped in with... well, people like you two. So that'd be a no from me.

Am I missing something here?

by **Cormactopia Prime** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:13 am

Wayneactia wrote:Am I missing something here?

Nothing worth wasting more space in this thread over, and nothing remotely related to this proposal.

by **South Acren** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:05 am

Very well written, i must say. While i was at first against it, i did some more in depth research. I'm surprised they haven't gotten one yet. Very good job.

by **The AVanguard Empire** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:14 pm

I don't know which should I Be for or against it.

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