NationStates

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:20 am**

First thing to note is that this continues my line of people who earned badges a long time ago and haven't been recognized for them yet really. I ran out of room pretty quickly and am hoping this one can get past the word limit, which always caps me at 2,000 characters rather than 4,000. Maybe third time's a charm for that.

One of the clauses involves something purely R/D technical, which is the discovery of what is involved with the influence formula in regards to passwording regions. That one is a bit iffy and I'm not sure I managed to phrase it in a way that could include it but still pass muster in the SC.

Any corrections, comments, or advice on the quality and structure of the proposal are welcome.

The Security Council;

Iterating that North East Somerset has been an active force—often working behind the scenes—that has striven since first appearing in 2004 to accomplish many nefarious deeds for the gain of their Imperialist and raider allies.

Observing that the first notable contribution to the world by North East Somerset, through their satellite nation Praedonia, was the co-founder of the raiding region the New DEN, which was born of their view that the previous iteration of DEN was one riddled with disorganized leadership and feeble security. The replacement of the original enacted many destructive raids on innocent regions.

Disturbed by the nature of the particular positions which have been held by North East Somerset in numerous raider or Imperialist regions and organizations, including but not limited to:

• Prince and Kaiser Consort, Intelligence Director, and member of the Military Council of The New Inquisition, an infamous Imperialist region known for many shocking acts detailed herein.
• King of Great Britain and Ireland, a region which worked against the betterment of the wider community by aiding those intent on seizing control of sovereign entities without the consent of their native populace.
• Secretary of Intelligence for the interregional capitalist-centered alliance known as the Alliance of Capitalists, Conservatives, and Economic Libertarians (ACCEL), an entity North East Somerset considered to be a proto-Imperialist alliance, where they were charged primarily with purging defenders and defender-leaning powers from their sphere of influence.
• Field Marshal of the United Imperial Armed Forces, a powerhouse of a military organization that stymied defenders for years and captured many regions, particularly those affiliated with the Founderless Regions Alliance.

Distressed by the knowledge that this nation authorized military aid for Lady Phedre in the August 2008 Empire coup of The East Pacific with their Imperialist region Great Britain and Ireland while serving as sovereign of that region.

Alarmed that the Crimson Order coup of The North Pacific by Lewis and Clark received the support of The New Inquisition with the full encouragement of North East Somerset.

Shocked that North East Somerset directed the infiltration of the Founderless Regions Alliance by means of Wibblefeet, an operative left in place for five years who served as Arch-Chancellor of the organization during that time, reporting everything during their infiltration back to North East Somerset, who was the head of The New Inquisition's intelligence department.

Appalled that North East Somerset planned and executed operations whose infamy lives on to this day in regions of great influence, such as:

• The unseating of Founderless Regions Alliance member Northern Chittowa as Delegate of Lazarus in April 2008, a raid executed with the intention of pursuing plans to later take control of Lazarus itself.
• The infamous raid of Belgium in early 2012, which was on its own yet another an act of aggression against uninvolved natives.
• The coup of The Rejected Realms on February 2, 2012, enacted through the raid of Belgium, which propelled the military forces of The New Inquisition into the Delegacy of The Rejected Realms. These actions were committed while the nation was a key member of a signatory region of the Pan Sinker Security Pact, displaying their lack of respect for fellow signatories of non-aggression treaties.

Concerned that this was not the end of their maneuvers in the Sinker regions, as North East Somerset was located in Balder nearly from its inception and gradually siphoned control of the region from its stewards during this time, beginning with several instances of electoral engineering to enact the seizure of critical assets to the region. This kick-started the process of driving the defenders from the United Defenders League from Balder and claiming the region as their own.

Dismayed that North East Somerset was the main pioneer in uncovering the art of raising impenetrable defenses in raided regions, preventing defending forces from liberating those regions from the invading forces.

Adamantly Believing that North East Somerset is more than deserving of a Condemnation for their aforementioned heinous deeds of subversion across the world.

Hereby Condemns North East Somerset.

The Security Council;

ITERATING that North East Somerset has been an active force—often working beyond the scenes—that has striven since first appearing in 2004 to accomplish many nefarious deeds for the penultimate gain of their Imperialist and raider allies.

OBSERVING that the first notable contribution to the world by North East Somerset was by their alias Praedonia, which co-founded the raiding region the New DEN after regarding the previous iteration as one riddled with disorganized leadership and feeble security, something they desired to replace with a more efficient, successful, and secure iteration.

DISTURBED by the nature of the particular positions which have been held by North East Somerset in numerous raider or Imperialist regions and organizations, including but not limited to:
- Prince and Kaiser Consort, Intelligence Director, and member of the Military Council of The New Inquisition, a famed Imperialist region known for many shocking acts detailed herein.
- Intelligence officer for ACCEL, charged primarily with purging defenders and defender influences from NationStates.
- Field Marshal of the United Imperial Armed Forces, a powerhouse of a military organization that frustrated defenders for years and captured many regions, particularly those affiliated with defenders.

APPALLED that North East Somerset planned and executed several anti-Defender operations whose infamy lives on to this day in greatly influential regions, such as:
- The unseating of Founderless Regions Alliance member North Chittowa as Delegate of Lazarus in April 2008, a raid executed with the intention of pursuing plans to later take control of Lazarus itself.
- The raid of Belgium which was then used to propel the forces of The New Inquisition into the Delegacy of The Rejected Realms on February 2, 2012, effecting the only purely military coup in history of the region from the then-Delegate, Collector of Souls. This was done while the nation was a member of signatory regions of the Pan Sinker Security Pact.

SHOCKED by the knowledge that this nation aided in the late 2008 Empire coup of The East Pacific in tandem with their Imperialist region Great Britain and Ireland.

AGHAST that North East Somerset directed the infiltration of the Founderless Regions Alliance by means of Wibblefeet, an operative left in place for five years who served as Arch-Chancellor of the organization during that time, reporting everything during their infiltration back to The New Inquisition’s intelligence.

CONCERNED that this was not the end of their maneuvers in the Sinker regions, as North East Somerset was located in Balder nearly from its inception and gradually seized the region from its stewards during this time, beginning with several instances of vote manipulation to enact the seizure of critical assets to the region, thus kick-starting the process of driving the defenders from Balder and claiming the region as their own.

DISMAYED that North East Somerset was the main pioneer in discovering what was involved in the art of putting impenetrable defenses on raided regions before defenders could succeed in liberating these regions from raider forces. This discovery granted raiders ease in their operations from the moment of discovery to this very day.

ADAMANTLY BELIEVING that North East Somerset is more than deserving of a Condemnation for their heinous deeds of subversion across NationStates.

Hereby Condemns North East Somerset.

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:17 am**

Full support! The only issue might be with the influence part:

DISMAYED that North East Somerset was the main pioneer in discovering what was involved in the art of putting impenetrable defenses on raided regions before defenders could succeed in liberating these regions from raider forces. This discovery granted raiders ease in their operations from the moment of discovery to this very day.

This is worded in a very complicated way and takes up a lot of space. I believe this could be shortened, maybe "...in discovering what was part of a system of regional defense on raided regions before defenders..." would be an idea to work with. For the rest, this looks good to me!

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:38 am**

A Bloodred Moon wrote:Full support! The only issue might be with the influence part:
DISMAYED that North East Somerset was the main pioneer in discovering what was involved in the art of putting impenetrable defenses on raided regions before defenders could succeed in liberating these regions from raider forces. This discovery granted raiders ease in their operations from the moment of discovery to this very day.

This is worded in a very complicated way and takes up a lot of space. I believe this could be shortened, maybe "...in discovering what was part of a system of regional defense on raided regions before defenders..." would be an idea to work with. For the rest, this looks good to me!

Thanks, Jo. Since nobody is really offering much commentary, I'll give it another week before aiming for submission to see if anyone responds to that part.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:47 am**

Xoriet wrote:The Security Council;

ITERATING that North East Somerset has been an active force—often working beyond the scenes—that has striven since first appearing in 2004 to accomplish many nefarious deeds for the penultimate gain of their Imperialist and raider allies.

I would need to know what the thought process behind this word choice is before I could say something like "this is incorrect"; "Penultimate" means 'next from last' and it seems to me like this may be a deliberate use of it instead of a mix-up between it and the word "ultimate". The reason I'm pointing it out is that it seems kind of odd to say "x was y's next to last concern" without immediately following it up with what the final concern was. Like, was their ultimate gain for themself? It would help to make it a bit more explicit.

OBSERVING that the first notable contribution to the world by North East Somerset, through their alias Praedonia, was the co-founding of the raiding region the New DEN, which was born of their view that the previous iteration of DEN as one riddled with disorganized leadership and feeble security, something they desired to replace with a more efficient, successful, and secure iteration.

I played around with the wording of this clause a bit. Feel free to use it, but it's not something that necessarily needs to be changed.

DISTURBED by the nature of the particular positions which have been held by North East Somerset in numerous raider or Imperialist regions and organizations, including but not limited to:

You're using passive voice in this clause, but once again I do not believe it is necessarily something worth changing.

- Prince and Kaiser Consort, Intelligence Director, and member of the Military Council of The New Inquisition, an infamous Imperialist region known for many shocking acts detailed herein.

In the context of this clause "infamous" is definitely a better word choice than "famed".

- Intelligence officer for ACCEL, charged primarily with purging defenders and defender influences from NationStates.

I think a little bit more information on ACCEL, even if only a brief summary of what it was. While I'm not the most well-versed in NS history and perhaps have just been living under a rock, I think that my experience of never hearing of a gameplay alliance that was disbanded 11.5 years ago is likely shared by many other modern players.

- Field Marshal of the United Imperial Armed Forces, a powerhouse of a military organization that stymied defenders for years and captured many regions, particularly those affiliated with defenders.

APPALLED that North East Somerset planned and executed several anti-Defender operations whose infamy lives on to this day in greatly influential regions, such as:
- The unseating of Founderless Regions Alliance member North Chittowa as Delegate of Lazarus in April 2008, a raid executed with the intention of pursuing plans to later take control of Lazarus itself.
- The raid of Belgium which was then used to propel the forces of The New Inquisition into the Delegacy of The Rejected Realms on February 2, 2012, effecting the only purely military coup in history of the region from the then-Delegate, Collector of Souls. These actions were committed while the nation was a member of signatory regions of the Pan Sinker Security Pact.

The underlined bit is awkwardly phrased and may need to be revised. I reworded the blue section: technically this clause is describing the invasion of Belgium AND the coup of TRR. Rhetorically speaking, it makes more sense to argue that these were separate but connected condemnable offenses rather than simply stressing the connection, which makes it come off as a single offense.

SHOCKED by the knowledge that this nation aided in the late 2008 Empire coup of The East Pacific in tandem with their Imperialist region Great Britain and Ireland.

AGHAST that North East Somerset directed the infiltration of the Founderless Regions Alliance by means of Wibblefeet, an operative left in place for five years who served as Arch-Chancellor of the organization during that time, reporting everything during their infiltration back to The New Inquisition’s intelligence.

CONCERNED that this was not the end of their maneuvers in the Sinker regions, as North East Somerset was located in Balder nearly from its inception and gradually seized the region from its stewards during this time, beginning with several instances of vote manipulation to enact the seizure of critical assets to the region, thus kick-starting the process of driving the defenders from Balder and claiming the region as their own.

DISMAYED that North East Somerset revolutionized the art of fortifying raided regions with impenetrable defenses before defenders could successfully mount a liberation. Starting from the moment of observation up to the modern day, North East Somerset's discovery has granted raiders ease in their operations to a degree that was previously unheard of.

Idk, I tried. Once again, feel free to use any of this, but don't feel required to do so.

Overall it is well-written and well-argued. The explanation of the influence system is... awkward, but I don't believe there is a way of making it much clearer than it already is without violating Rule 4. I've never had much interaction with North East Somerset, and wouldn't know if there is anything missing or if there is anything stated here that is incorrect. One overarching comment I have is that I prefer to include nation/region links at the first mention of any nation/region just to allow readers to easily research what they're looking at, but to each their own.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:25 am**

Eumaeus wrote:
Xoriet wrote:The Security Council;

ITERATING that North East Somerset has been an active force—often working beyond the scenes—that has striven since first appearing in 2004 to accomplish many nefarious deeds for the penultimate gain of their Imperialist and raider allies.

I would need to know what the thought process behind this word choice is before I could say something like "this is incorrect"; "Penultimate" means 'next from last' and it seems to me like this may be a deliberate use of it instead of a mix-up between it and the word "ultimate". The reason I'm pointing it out is that it seems kind of odd to say "x was y's next to last concern" without immediately following it up with what the final concern was. Like, was their ultimate gain for themself? It would help to make it a bit more explicit.
OBSERVING that the first notable contribution to the world by North East Somerset, through their alias Praedonia, was the co-founding of the raiding region the New DEN, which was born of their view that the previous iteration of DEN as one riddled with disorganized leadership and feeble security, something they desired to replace with a more efficient, successful, and secure iteration.

I played around with the wording of this clause a bit. Feel free to use it, but it's not something that necessarily needs to be changed.
DISTURBED by the nature of the particular positions which have been held by North East Somerset in numerous raider or Imperialist regions and organizations, including but not limited to:

You're using passive voice in this clause, but once again I do not believe it is necessarily something worth changing.
- Prince and Kaiser Consort, Intelligence Director, and member of the Military Council of The New Inquisition, an infamous Imperialist region known for many shocking acts detailed herein.

In the context of this clause "infamous" is definitely a better word choice than "famed".
- Intelligence officer for ACCEL, charged primarily with purging defenders and defender influences from NationStates.

I think a little bit more information on ACCEL, even if only a brief summary of what it was. While I'm not the most well-versed in NS history and perhaps have just been living under a rock, I think that my experience of never hearing of a gameplay alliance that was disbanded 11.5 years ago is likely shared by many other modern players.
- Field Marshal of the United Imperial Armed Forces, a powerhouse of a military organization that stymied defenders for years and captured many regions, particularly those affiliated with defenders.

APPALLED that North East Somerset planned and executed several anti-Defender operations whose infamy lives on to this day in greatly influential regions, such as:
- The unseating of Founderless Regions Alliance member North Chittowa as Delegate of Lazarus in April 2008, a raid executed with the intention of pursuing plans to later take control of Lazarus itself.
- The raid of Belgium which was then used to propel the forces of The New Inquisition into the Delegacy of The Rejected Realms on February 2, 2012, effecting the only purely military coup in history of the region from the then-Delegate, Collector of Souls. These actions were committed while the nation was a member of signatory regions of the Pan Sinker Security Pact.

The underlined bit is awkwardly phrased and may need to be revised. I reworded the blue section: technically this clause is describing the invasion of Belgium AND the coup of TRR. Rhetorically speaking, it makes more sense to argue that these were separate but connected condemnable offenses rather than simply stressing the connection, which makes it come off as a single offense.
SHOCKED by the knowledge that this nation aided in the late 2008 Empire coup of The East Pacific in tandem with their Imperialist region Great Britain and Ireland.

AGHAST that North East Somerset directed the infiltration of the Founderless Regions Alliance by means of Wibblefeet, an operative left in place for five years who served as Arch-Chancellor of the organization during that time, reporting everything during their infiltration back to The New Inquisition’s intelligence.

CONCERNED that this was not the end of their maneuvers in the Sinker regions, as North East Somerset was located in Balder nearly from its inception and gradually seized the region from its stewards during this time, beginning with several instances of vote manipulation to enact the seizure of critical assets to the region, thus kick-starting the process of driving the defenders from Balder and claiming the region as their own.

DISMAYED that North East Somerset revolutionized the art of fortifying raided regions with impenetrable defenses before defenders could successfully mount a liberation. Starting from the moment of observation up to the modern day, North East Somerset's discovery has granted raiders ease in their operations to a degree that was previously unheard of.

Idk, I tried. Once again, feel free to use any of this, but don't feel required to do so.

Overall it is well-written and well-argued. The explanation of the influence system is... awkward, but I don't believe there is a way of making it much clearer than it already is without violating Rule 4. I've never had much interaction with North East Somerset, and wouldn't know if there is anything missing or if there is anything stated here that is incorrect. One overarching comment I have is that I prefer to include nation/region links at the first mention of any nation/region just to allow readers to easily research what they're looking at, but to each their own.

Thanks for the input. I'll add it to the revised draft!

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:43 am**

Xoriet wrote:The Security Council;

ITERATING that North East Somerset has been an active force—often working beyond the scenes—that has striven since first appearing in 2004 to accomplish many nefarious deeds for the penultimate gain of their Imperialist and raider allies.

I would use the phrase "behind the scenes" - makes more sense if you are casting NES in the role of an eminence grise. I agree with Eumaeus' comments about using "penultimate".

Xoriet wrote:OBSERVING that the first notable contribution to the world by North East Somerset was by their alias Praedonia, which co-founded the raiding region the New DEN after regarding the previous iteration as one riddled with disorganized leadership and feeble security, something they desired to replace with a more efficient, successful, and secure iteration.

Personally I don't like the use of "iteration" twice within one clause. Maybe "version"?

Xoriet wrote:DISTURBED by the nature of the particular positions which have been held by North East Somerset in numerous raider or Imperialist regions and organizations, including but not limited to:
- Prince and Kaiser Consort, Intelligence Director, and member of the Military Council of The New Inquisition, a famed Imperialist region known for many shocking acts detailed herein.
- Intelligence officer for ACCEL, charged primarily with purging defenders and defender influences from NationStates.
- Field Marshal of the United Imperial Armed Forces, a powerhouse of a military organization that stymied defenders for years and captured many regions, particularly those affiliated with defenders.

Maybe "frustrated" or "hindered" instead of "stymied".

Xoriet wrote:APPALLED that North East Somerset planned and executed several anti-Defender operations whose infamy lives on to this day in greatly influential regions, such as:
- The unseating of Founderless Regions Alliance member North Chittowa as Delegate of Lazarus in April 2008, a raid executed with the intention of pursuing plans to later take control of Lazarus itself.
- The raid of Belgium which was then used to propel the forces of The New Inquisition into the Delegacy of The Rejected Realms on February 2, 2012, effecting the only purely military coup in history of the region from the then-Delegate, Collector of Souls. This was done while the nation was a member of signatory regions of the Pan Sinker Security Pact.

Is using actual dates a real world reference? Not sure this clause needs them.

Xoriet wrote:SHOCKED by the knowledge that this nation aided in the late 2008 Empire coup of The East Pacific in tandem with their Imperialist region Great Britain and Ireland.

Same comment as above.

Xoriet wrote:AGHAST that North East Somerset directed the infiltration of the Founderless Regions Alliance by means of Wibblefeet, an operative left in place for five years who served as Arch-Chancellor of the organization during that time, reporting everything during their infiltration back to The New Inquisition’s intelligence.

CONCERNED that this was not the end of their maneuvers in the Sinker regions, as North East Somerset was located in Balder nearly from its inception and gradually seized the region from its stewards during this time, beginning with several instances of vote manipulation to enact the seizure of critical assets to the region, thus kick-starting the process of driving the defenders from Balder and claiming the region as their own.

Can you "gradually seize" something? To seize something is to take hold of it suddenly and forcibly.

Xoriet wrote:DISMAYED that North East Somerset was the main pioneer in discovering what was involved in the art of putting impenetrable defenses on raided regions before defenders could succeed in liberating these regions from raider forces. This discovery granted raiders ease in their operations from the moment of discovery to this very day.

Not sure about the phrasing of this clause. Maybe "Dismayed that NES was the main pioneer in the art of raising impenetrable defences in raided regions, preventing defending forces from liberating those regions from the invading forces".

Xoriet wrote:ADAMANTLY BELIEVING that North East Somerset is more than deserving of a Condemnation for their heinous deeds of subversion across NationStates.

Hereby Condemns North East Somerset.

It's a well-written and very well argued proposal. I've just suggested some minor modifications.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:33 am**

How does a nation -- rather than a player -- have an "alias"?
:unsure:

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:42 am**

Bears Armed wrote:How does a nation -- rather than a player -- have an "alias"?

The United States has Columbia(Which is clearly an attempt to impersonate Colombia)

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:10 am**

BBD, using real life dates isn't considered a real life reference in an SC proposal.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:24 am**

Kuriko wrote:BBD, using real life dates isn't considered a real life reference in an SC proposal.

Think I must have seen that as an illegality in the GA. Thanks Kuriko.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:51 am**

Aclion wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:How does a nation -- rather than a player -- have an "alias"?

The United States has Columbia(Which is clearly an attempt to impersonate Colombia)

But it could hardly use that alternative name when taking action and expect to be perceived as being a different nation, could it?
I think that referring to a puppet (or saying something along the lines of "acting through the supposedly-independent nation of _" ?), rather than to an alias, would be better...

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:53 am**

Next draft up! Changed around some wording and clauses as per advice offered, as well as adjusted certain terms. As for including dates, I did so in my last two proposals so it's just a continuation of how I've been writing it.

As for adding information about ACCEL, I think the character limit is going to stop me from adding much more detail. It always stops me at 2000 characters so I'm likely going to have to shorten a number of things when I try to submit.

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:47 am**

I realize I’m nobody but is there any chance you can remove "NationStates" from the proposal? It annoys me even if it’s legal.

Posted: **Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:50 am**

Fauxia wrote:I realize I’m nobody but is there any chance you can remove "NationStates" from the proposal? It annoys me even if it’s legal.

Done.

Also, if anyone has any more/last suggestions/edit ideas, please let me know. I miss updating.

Posted: **Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:06 am**

Bears Armed wrote:
Aclion wrote:The United States has Columbia(Which is clearly an attempt to impersonate Colombia)

But it could hardly use that alternative name when taking action and expect to be perceived as being a different nation, could it?

Or could it? Maybe it does!

Posted: **Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:36 am**

I'm not sure NES has done anything condemnable, they've always just been a loyal and productive servant of the regions they have chosen to affiliate themselves with.

Speaking from an AWP perspective I don't think the Wibblefeet reference is really relevant enough to NES to deserve inclusion (perhaps in the Condemn TNI proposal but not this one), plus it I don't think there is anything condemnable about the way that operation was conducted - which was largely through civilian channels and without lasting damage to the region. If anything Wibblefeet contributed more than they took, and they continued to participate in AWP after the operation concluded. I'm not sure interregional organisations benefit from any regional sovereignty conventions to make infiltration condemnable in any sense.

The New DEN reference doesn't seem to contain anything condemnable, the other positions described don't really detail why NES' role in any of them is worthy of singling out for condemnation and their role in the Empire coup wasn't particularly notable for singling out either. The allegations about their role in Balder could be the subject of a separate focused condemnation but I'm not sure there are reasoned grounds for pursuing that, NES is as native as they can come in that region.

Posted: **Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:15 pm**

Numero Capitan wrote:Speaking from an AWP perspective I don't think the Wibblefeet reference is really relevant enough to NES to deserve inclusion (perhaps in the Condemn TNI proposal but not this one), plus it I don't think there is anything condemnable about the way that operation was conducted - which was largely through civilian channels and without lasting damage to the region. If anything Wibblefeet contributed more than they took, and they continued to participate in AWP after the operation concluded. I'm not sure interregional organisations benefit from any regional sovereignty conventions to make infiltration condemnable in any sense.

Wibblefeet is part of the TNI Condemnation as well, and since NES actually directed the Intelligence department and thus the operation during its time, I think that's as relevant as it is to that proposal given that the person who managed the whole thing is more instrumental to the ongoing than a region where 99% of the populace had no idea it was happening. I'm aware it was pretty common practice in the older days, but I still think that espionage operations are generally good material for a Condemnation.

Posted: **Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:14 am**

Per Bears, I'll suggest the word satellite as an alternative to "alias" or "puppet"...

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:59 am**

Any other comments before I submit?

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:20 am**

And it’s at vote. Good luck with this Xor.

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:01 pm**

Concerned that this was not the end of their maneuvers in the Sinker regions, as North East Somerset was located in Balder nearly from its inception and gradually siphoned control of the region from its stewards during this time, beginning with several instances of electoral engineering to enact the seizure of critical assets to the region. This kick-started the process of driving the defenders from the United Defenders League from Balder and claiming the region as their own.

Aside from the above nonsense, best of luck.

Posted: **Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:07 am**

Trying to condemn an individual nation, to me, seems like a waste of SC time when you could have drafted a proposal about an entire reason. Surprisingly good research, but I'm sorry it seems it will go to waste given the voting trends.

Posted: **Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:22 am**

Kaltovar wrote:Trying to condemn an individual nation, to me, seems like a waste of SC time when you could have drafted a proposal about an entire reason. Surprisingly good research, but I'm sorry it seems it will go to waste given the voting trends.

You do realize this is a reward fr playing a bad guy right?

Posted: **Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:25 am**

Wayneactia wrote:
Kaltovar wrote:Trying to condemn an individual nation, to me, seems like a waste of SC time when you could have drafted a proposal about an entire reason. Surprisingly good research, but I'm sorry it seems it will go to waste given the voting trends.

You do realize this is a reward fr playing a bad guy right?

Successfully so. Plenty of people aspire to it, but not many succeed above a certain scale without crossing into lines nobody wants to cross.

Posted: **Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:44 pm**

people must condemn him because he is a raider.

NationStates

[PASSED] Condemn North East Somerset

[PASSED] Condemn North East Somerset

Condemn North East Somerset