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Lord Dominator
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Postby Lord Dominator » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:16 pm

Vivolkha wrote:
Hoping to warn both Confederation of Corrupt Dictators and future regions from promoting fascism, other such ideologies, and blatant use of this Assembly as recruitment and ego-boosting;

(Bold mine for emphasis)
OOC: This is from the very resolution you are trying to (self-)repeal. Clearly nothing has changed.

Indeed
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Postby Candensia » Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:17 pm

Celebrating the fact that the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators neither encourages nor discourages any ideology, and that everyone is welcome in the region;


Other nations have already made the claim that the above statement is false. But let us look no further than COCD’s own Imperial Law Dispatch to disprove it further. Below are points 8 and 9.


This body encourages all Confederation nations to be in support of right-wing ideologies;

This body outlaws the principles and practices of democracy; this body forbids the holding of elections throughout the Confederation unless instigated by the Supreme Council;


I smell a very clear contradiction here.
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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:44 pm

Candensia wrote:
Celebrating the fact that the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators neither encourages nor discourages any ideology, and that everyone is welcome in the region;


Other nations have already made the claim that the above statement is false. But let us look no further than COCD’s own Imperial Law Dispatch to disprove it further. Below are points 8 and 9.


This body encourages all Confederation nations to be in support of right-wing ideologies;

This body outlaws the principles and practices of democracy; this body forbids the holding of elections throughout the Confederation unless instigated by the Supreme Council;


I smell a very clear contradiction here.

The authors of this repeal have admitted that they are new to the region, so they likely don't have the slightest clue regarding this. And hence another reason why they probably shouldn't be the ones to author this repeal.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:02 am

Against.


The Liberation failed, as we all knew it was going to, but there’s no need to draw more attention to it.


EDIT: Wait, this was written by the CCD themselves? Hell to the no.
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Cedoria
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Postby Cedoria » Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:21 am

Marrum Graecia wrote:a "self repeal"

I wouldn't call it that. You have to stop thinking in that way, and instead look at the facts.

The facts are that a region with a liberation is trying to get such liberation repealed without having done anything that warrants it.

There. Done. Nothing more to be said.
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Cedoria
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Postby Cedoria » Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:25 am

Marrum Graecia wrote:Ah, excuse me. As you can find out for yourself, I am a new member in the Confederation, and I am only trying to help the region. It is not the CCD's ideas, I am making a reference to every region's right. It's not a right the CCD holds exclusively, but what every region should hold.

Being a new member, you may not be familiar with the opprobrium in which CCD is held. That being said, it's probably a good reason why you're probably not really in all that good a position to write a resolution attempting this repeal.
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Blood Wine
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Postby Blood Wine » Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:52 am

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Seriously guys, it's the 4th attempt, 2 of them never reach voting and 1 was voted down 14,991 votes to 1,919.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:02 am

Blood Wine wrote:

Seriously guys, it's the 4th attempt, 2 of them never reach voting and 1 was voted down 14,991 votes to 1,919.

Yup. The liberation is staying on the statute books, regardless of how much CCD squirms.
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Postby Blood Wine » Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:08 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Blood Wine wrote:

Seriously guys, it's the 4th attempt, 2 of them never reach voting and 1 was voted down 14,991 votes to 1,919.

Yup. The liberation is staying on the statute books, regardless of how much CCD squirms.


5 times and we get a free cookie
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Postby Borovan entered the region as he » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:25 pm

"against. CCD is fasisct. It would makes no sense to support." She says.
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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:47 am

Who gives a shit if it remains on the books or not. It was passed in hopes that the founder would fuck up and be deated. It didn't happen. Instead of constantly responding to them, how about ignoring them? If they want to spend their online time playing nazi, who gives a fuck. If they want to throw thousands of dollars at the game to try and pass a commend that will fail, or be repealed let them. The funding will help make the game better in the end.

People take this shit far too seriously.

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:57 am

Wayneactia wrote:Who gives a shit if it remains on the books or not. It was passed in hopes that the founder would fuck up and be deated. It didn't happen.

Plenty of time. Or CTE. Either/or.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:27 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Who gives a shit if it remains on the books or not. It was passed in hopes that the founder would fuck up and be deated. It didn't happen.

Plenty of time. Or CTE. Either/or.

Even if Jocospor somehow managed to get deleted, the region would still have a 145-endorsement backup delegate, which would require the largest single military offensive of all time by a wide margin to go off absolutely perfectly, and even then it still probably wouldn't work. This just gives them more attention. Best to let it collect dust, since nobody will ever follow through on the operation implied by this lib.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:47 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Plenty of time. Or CTE. Either/or.

Even if Jocospor somehow managed to get deleted, the region would still have a 145-endorsement backup delegate, which would require the largest single military offensive of all time by a wide margin to go off absolutely perfectly, and even then it still probably wouldn't work. This just gives them more attention. Best to let it collect dust, since nobody will ever follow through on the operation implied by this lib.

I'm sure plenty would be up for the challenge.
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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:15 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:Even if Jocospor somehow managed to get deleted, the region would still have a 145-endorsement backup delegate, which would require the largest single military offensive of all time by a wide margin to go off absolutely perfectly, and even then it still probably wouldn't work. This just gives them more attention. Best to let it collect dust, since nobody will ever follow through on the operation implied by this lib.

I'm sure plenty would be up for the challenge.


Yeah probably not going to happen. As Kaboom said, they have a vice delegate who has 145 endorsements. It would require an immense infiltration effort just to try and unseat them, and no one has that kind of time for a nothing region. This quite frankly is an abuse of the liberation function. Liberations are meant to save region which are in serious peril, not to punish edgy regions. I really wish someone who is actually taken seriously would repeal this and the we can move on.

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:30 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I'm sure plenty would be up for the challenge.


Yeah probably not going to happen. As Kaboom said, they have a vice delegate who has 145 endorsements. It would require an immense infiltration effort just to try and unseat them, and no one has that kind of time for a nothing region.

At the moment.
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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:46 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:
Yeah probably not going to happen. As Kaboom said, they have a vice delegate who has 145 endorsements. It would require an immense infiltration effort just to try and unseat them, and no one has that kind of time for a nothing region.

At the moment.


You have evidence of change you would care to share with the rest of us?

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:25 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:At the moment.


You have evidence of change you would care to share with the rest of us?

That the number of endorsements will change with time? I think it'd be pretty obvious. :roll:
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:26 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:
You have evidence of change you would care to share with the rest of us?

That the number of endorsements will change with time? I think it'd be pretty obvious. :roll:

Yeah, that number will go up over time, rendering this an even more pointless exercise.

To the best of my knowledge, the largest single jump that I have ever seen happen was 84 updaters, and that was the CAIN coalition taking down a major well-known Nazi target. CAIN is dead, nothing like it has come close to being a worthy successor since, and you’re talking about a 75% increase over that one, against an entrenched target who will have more than enough influence to ban everyone, for a backwater region.

Not to mention that Jocospor, if they were ever to decide to leave the game, could just password the region with no influence cost. Hell, they could even do it if it looked like they were about to be deleted someday.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:36 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:That the number of endorsements will change with time? I think it'd be pretty obvious. :roll:

Yeah, that number will go up over time, rendering this an even more pointless exercise.

Not necessarily. Endorsements for nations that are not the regional delegate are a bit more unstable.

Kaboomlandia wrote:Not to mention that Jocospor, if they were ever to decide to leave the game, could just password the region with no influence cost. Hell, they could even do it if it looked like they were about to be deleted someday.

To be honest forcing a passwording of the region in either case would be mission accomplished from the perspective of the motivation for the liberation. The region would wither and die.
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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:47 pm

The New California Republic wrote:To be honest forcing a passwording of the region in either case would be mission accomplished from the perspective of the motivation for the liberation. The region would wither and die.


Or they refound yet another one, and then we have to go through this all over again. They will always have the initiative.

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:02 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:Yeah, that number will go up over time, rendering this an even more pointless exercise.

Not necessarily. Endorsements for nations that are not the regional delegate are a bit more unstable.


I went back and looked at what the approx. numbers were for endorsements whe this proposal was passed. At that time, Joc had about 130 and second place had 80 or so.

Since then, Joc is now past 210 endorsements and two different nations are over 140. This region is untouchable. It was never gonna work then and it won’t work now.
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"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."
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Postby Lord Dominator » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:27 pm

Wayneactia wrote:It would require an immense infiltration effort just to try and unseat them, and no one has that kind of time for a nothing region.

Clearly you haven't met NSLeft or the Antifa collective. They'll absolutely spend a heck ton of time on it if they have it a target, and my understanding is that many among them rather agree with the labeling of CCD as fascist. And unfortunately, CCD can't really be described as a 'nothing region,' much as I might wish it could be.
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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:41 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:It would require an immense infiltration effort just to try and unseat them, and no one has that kind of time for a nothing region.

Clearly you haven't met NSLeft or the Antifa collective. They'll absolutely spend a heck ton of time on it if they have it a target, and my understanding is that many among them rather agree with the labeling of CCD as fascist.


Oh, I am well versed with them thanks. They unfortunately have a penchant for declaring regions who disagree with them, or just openly oppose them as fascist. Given the fact Misley fought extremely hard to have Right to Life declared a fascist sympathizer by CAIN, just shows exactly how impartial they really are.

Lord Dominator wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:And unfortunately, CCD can't really be described as a 'nothing region,' much as I might wish it could be.


The only thing that brought them into the limelight was them throwing money at the game trying to commend themselves. Until then, no one had heard of them.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:58 am

Wayneactia wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Clearly you haven't met NSLeft or the Antifa collective. They'll absolutely spend a heck ton of time on it if they have it a target, and my understanding is that many among them rather agree with the labeling of CCD as fascist.


Oh, I am well versed with them thanks. They unfortunately have a penchant for declaring regions who disagree with them, or just openly oppose them as fascist. Given the fact Misley fought extremely hard to have Right to Life declared a fascist sympathizer by CAIN, just shows exactly how impartial they really are.

That has nothing to my point that they will in fact spend a boatload of effort on any region they believe to be fascist, particularly one that the vast majority of the rest of Gameplay believes the same.
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Lord Dominator wrote:And unfortunately, CCD can't really be described as a 'nothing region,' much as I might wish it could be.


The only thing that brought them into the limelight was them throwing money at the game trying to commend themselves. Until then, no one had heard of them.

Which was 1.5 years and probably about 450 nations in their count ago.
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