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by Eumaeus » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:10 pm
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by Lord Dominator » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:32 am
by Topid » Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:15 am
by Eumaeus » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:48 am
Topid wrote:I am also surprised 'cards' is treated differently than 'password' 'eject' 'regional message board' etc. With the news post at the end of last year that cards are now a "permanent feature" of NS, I would think that term would fall right into: "any term included within NationStates the game - eg. passwords, World Factbook Entries, founders, eject, 'black helicopters transporting nations between regions' - legal (see here, here, here, here and here)"
I can see how terms like "card farming" and the likes are out just like "endorsement tarting" but we all have a button on our nation page for cards, so it is not clear to me why "card" by itself that's not considered a term within NationStates the game.
1. Is the term something that could be applied to real-world nations. If yes, then fine. If no, see #2.
2. Is the term something that could be applied to the NationStates world? If yes, see point 3, if no, then what on earth are you writing about?
3. Is the term referring to NationStates as a game, or to the people behind the nations? If yes, it's not acceptable. If no, it's fine.
Ardchoille wrote:SC resolutions can legally recognise that some things happen in the NS Multiverse that don't happen in the real world. That's why it's legal to use in SC proposals the terms that the game uses on nation or region pages -- so passwords get a guernsey, and so do WFEs and Founders.
Any term included within NationStates the game - eg. passwords, World Factbook Entries, founders, eject, 'black helicopters transporting nations between regions' - legal...
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by Bormiar » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:59 pm
by Bormiar » Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:02 am
The Security Council,
NOTING that many nations collect intelligence dossiers of other nations, which include: the nation’s motto, classification, name, population, region, flag, top world census rankings, world assembly authorships, and recognition by this council,
FURTHER NOTING that every intelligence dossier is identical, and it is pointless to collect more than one of a single nation. Rather, it is to the detriment of other nation’s intelligence programs to have more than one of this limited resource,
AWARE of the difficulties spies must overcome in order to collect intelligence on many nations, with the intelligence dossiers of most prominent nations being owned by less than 100 nations,
DEFINING "bank" as the standard currency by which nations trade dossiers.
SHOCKED by Koem Kab’s unnecessary hoarding of popular dossiers, of which most notably:
1. Koem Kab’s unwillingness to sell popular dossiers of which it has the greatest number in the world. These dossiers include intelligence on Frisbeeteria, Reploid Productions, Euroslavia, Sanctaria, Katganistan, Knootoss, NewTexas, Zwangzug, Mousebumples, Transnapastain, Lamoni, Aleisyr, Ardchoille, Kindjal, Pogaria, Kyrusia, Aurelia, Glen-Rhodes, Christian Democrats, Menta Lee-Il, Old Tyrannia, Farnhamia, Sunset, Topid, McMasterdonia, Separatist Peoples, The Bruce, Cogitation, Nation of Quebec, Pythagosaurus, The Stalker, The Grim Reaper, Caelapes, Imperium Anglorum, Gnejs, Caracasus, Frieden-und Freudenland, and Candlewhisper Archive, among many others. This unwillingness to trade means that many nations will be unable to receive a dossier on many important nations.
2. Koem Kab’s active attempts at being the sole owner of the dossier of NERVUN, of which Koem Kab has 43 dossiers.
3. Koem Kab’s hoarding of the artificially high-valued dossier of Queen Yuno. Koem Kab has 10 of these dossiers.
4. Koem Kab’s complete unwillingness to sell dossiers unless the buyer is willing to meet unreasonably high prices, and the lack of other sellers and owners due to Koem Kab’s hoarding,
AWARE of the affects of hoarding, which prevents nations from gaining intelligence on many prominent nations,
DISGUSTED at the methods used in developing such an abnormally large and high-valued collection of dossiers, of which includes:
1. Intentionally avoiding the fees required to increase dossier collection capacity, which is imposed upon all nations. Unwillingness or inability to pay for a larger capacity results in the inability to be given dossiers from other nations, but it does not prevent nations from buying and selling dossiers. Koem Kab circumvents these limits by seizing control of another nation, Greatest Chernobyl, and receiving gifts on that nation. Then, Koem Kab buys the gifts given to Greatest chernobyl, thus fooling the system.
2. Blatantly increasing the value of useless dossiers of nations such as International Organization, Ortsync, Griet, Divine Will VII, Vacuole, The Home of Hope, Aummunati0n, Neutral Yugoslavia, Death Defiance 17, The CLU Empire, Moorwhyne, Sleepwalker, Jidal, Balmains, Westlandium, The Automobile Industry, and many more. This involves selling the dossier to a nation controlled by Koem Kab for a high price, which raises the value and thus the value of the collection. While done in smaller chunks it’s a transfer of bank between two nations, but with amounts of bank in the hundreds, it causes Koem Kabs collection of dossiers to appear to be worth thousands more than than it actually should be, thus deceiving the viewer and increasing Koem Kabs ranking internationally.
3. Abusing Koem Kab’s massive amount of bank in order to buy low-selling dossiers. This can be done by placing a bid for the dossier at a price slightly above the market value, then placing another bid for an equal amount, in order to prevent "dropping". This is a tactic few nations can afford, and often ends the bidding war, which prevents the naive seller from getting a fair amount of bank for the dossier,
COGNIZANT of the affects of value-increasing, which significantly altar the world rankings for highest valued collections, and highest valued dossiers,
AWARE of the methods Koem Kab uses that are widely considered petty for nations with large collections, which includes bank transfer stealing and bidding 0.01 bank above the next highest bid,
FURTHER AWARE that Koem Kab has contributed to the cost increase. This has been done because the demand for popular dossiers has not been met by the supply, so nations with many identical dossiers can sell much higher than it’s worth. This cost increase has increased difficulty of owning a popular dossier for the less well-off, and ensured that most popular dossiers will go to Koem Kab and other rich collectors, to the detriment of poorer nations.
HOPING that the security council will recognize this hoarding and the methods used in bring this collection to be the largest in the world,
Hereby condemns Koem Kab
by Praeceps » Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:21 am
FURTHER NOTING that every intelligence dossier is identical, and it is pointless to collect more than one of a single nation. Rather, it is to the detriment of other nation’s intelligence programs to have more than one of this limited resource,
3. Abusing Koem Kab’s massive amount of bank in order to buy low-selling dossiers. This can be done by placing a bid for the dossier at a price slightly above the market value, then placing another bid for an equal amount, in order to prevent "dropping". This is a tactic few nations can afford, and often ends the bidding war, which prevents the naive seller from getting a fair amount of bank for the dossier,
FURTHER AWARE that Koem Kab has contributed to the cost increase. This has been done because the demand for popular dossiers has not been met by the supply, so nations with many identical dossiers can sell much higher than it’s worth. This cost increase has increased difficulty of owning a popular dossier for the less well-off, and ensured that most popular dossiers will go to Koem Kab and other rich collectors, to the detriment of poorer nations.
by Bormiar » Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:43 am
by Bormiar » Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:13 pm
The Security Council,
ACKNOWLEDGING government-owned art collections which exist within nations and the active art trade which uses the currency "bank",
UNDERSTANDING that art reveals important information on the culture, ideology, and importance of the nation from which it was made,
AWARE that art is not bought and sold based on the artist, or the quality of the piece, but rather the culture that it expresses, so as to expand collections centered around specific nations.
DISTURBED that Koem Kab’s museums have collections so large and high-valued that masterpieces are not recognized for their beauty, instead glanced at due to the sheer amount of them. This disregard for art has been caused by the following:
1. Koem Kab’s museums abundance of art from the world’s legendary nations, a description determined by a nation’s longevity, census rankings, and contributions to the world, among other factors. Koem Kab’s museums have an obsession with collecting legendary nations, a trait shared by many, but fulfilled by few.
2. Koem Kab’s active attempts at monopolizing art from NERVUN. Koem Kab has a staggering 52 NERVUNian pieces in its collection.
3. Koem Kab’s decision to horde the artificiallly high-valued art from Queen Yuno. Koem Kab has 10 of these art pieces.
4. Koem Kab’s complete unwillingness to sell art unless the buyer is willing to meet unreasonably high prices,
AWARE of the effects of hoarding, which not only prevents nations from gaining intelligence on many prominent nations, but also, as stated above, devalues the art in the eyes of a tourist,
NOTING the importance of the distribution of art over a large number of nations, as it means that even if a government ceases to exist and its museums are abandoned, knowledge and beauty will continue to exist in the world. Therefore, Koem Kab’s control over so much art is risky,
DISGUSTED at the methods used in developing such an abnormally large and high-valued collection, of which includes:
1. Intentionally avoiding the maintenance fees required to increase art collection capacity, which is imposed upon all nations. Unwillingness or inability to pay for a larger capacity results in the inability to be gifted art from other nations, but it does not prevent nations from buying and selling art. Koem Kab circumvents these limits by seizing control of another nation, Greatest Chernobyl, and receiving gifts from Koem Kab’s colonies on said nation. Then, Koem Kab often sells the gifts in Greatest Chernobyl, and uses the bank to buy art in Koem Kab, thus fooling the system.
2. Blatantly increasing the value of useless art from nations such as International Organization, Ortsync, Griet, Divine Will VII, Vacuole, The Home of Hope, Aummunati0n, Neutral Yugoslavia, Death Defiance 17, The CLU Empire, Moorwhyne, Sleepwalker, Jidal, Balmains, Westlandium, The Automobile Industry, and many more. This involves selling the art to a nation controlled by Koem Kab for a high price, which raises the value and thus the value of the collection. While done in smaller chunks it can be argued as a transfer of bank between two nations, but with amounts of bank in the hundreds, it causes Koem Kabs art collections to appear to be worth thousands more than than they actually should be, thus deceiving a tourist and increasing Koem Kab’s international ranking.
3. Koem Kab’s abuse of its massive amount of bank in order to buy low-selling art. This can be done by placing a bid for the art at a price slightly above the market value (a value calculated by the average of all sale prices), then placing another bid for an equal amount as the previous bid, in order to prevent "dropping", which is when another owner of the art will sell for the price bid by Koem Kab, then buy for the originally low price, in order to profit. This dropping-prevention tactic is one that few nations can afford, and often ends the bidding war, which prevents the naïve seller from getting a fair amount of bank for the art,
4. Colonizing thousands of nations for the sole purpose of art production,
AWARE of the methods Koem Kab uses that are widely considered petty for nations with large collections, which includes bank transfer stealing and "pennybidding", which is bidding 0.01 bank above the next highest bid,
FURTHER AWARE that Koem Kab has contributed to the art value inflation. This has been done because the demand for popular art has not been met by the supply, so nations with lots of art from a single nation can sell much higher than it’s worth. This cost increase has made it more difficult to own popular art for poor nations, and ensured that most popular art will go to Koem Kab and other rich collectors, to the detriment of most nations.
CONCLUDING that Koem Kab has prevented growth of small museums, inflated art prices, stolen transferred bank, pennybidded, artificially raised card value, nearly monopolized ownership of some art, and hoarded,
Hereby condemns Koem Kab
by Toerana » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:17 pm
by Marxist Germany » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:04 pm
Bormiar wrote:I've been checking this several times a day, and I'm surprised no one has any other thoughts. It certainly is a significant change from the previous draft.
by Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:01 pm
Bormiar wrote:I've been checking this several times a day, and I'm surprised no one has any other thoughts. It certainly is a significant change from the previous draft.
Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.
RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.
Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..
by Bormiar » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:57 am
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Bormiar wrote:I've been checking this several times a day, and I'm surprised no one has any other thoughts. It certainly is a significant change from the previous draft.
I have read the latest draft a couple of times, but it’s quite detailed and I want to peruse it a couple more times before I comment in detail.
The idea of treating cards as nationally owned art is clever and would appear to circumvent any R4 problems previously raised concerning your draft.
by Eumaeus » Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:14 pm
Bormiar wrote:The Security Council,
ACKNOWLEDGING the existence of government-owned art collections within nations and the exchange of individual pieces and currency ("bank") that makes up the international art trade,
UNDERSTANDING that art reveals important information on the culture, ideology, and importance of the nation from which it originated,
AWARE that art is not bought and sold based on the artist, or the quality of the piece, but rather the culture that it expresses, so as to expand collections centered around specific nations.
DISTURBED that Koem Kab’s museums have collections so large and high-valued that masterpieces are not recognized for their beauty, instead glanced at due to the sheer amount of them. This disregard for art has been caused by the following:
1. Koem Kab’s museums' abundance of art from the world’s legendary nations, a description determined by a nation’s longevity, census rankings, and contributions to the world, among other factors. Koem Kab’s museums have an obsession with collecting legendary nations, a trait shared by many, but fulfilled by few.
2. Koem Kab’s active attempts at monopolizing art from NERVUN, of which Koem Kab has a staggering 52NERVUNianpieces in its collection.
3. Koem Kab’s decision to hoard the artificially high-valued art from Queen Yuno, of which Koem Kab has 10of these artpieces.
4. Koem Kab’s complete unwillingness to sell art unless the buyer is willing to meet unreasonably high prices,
AWARE of the effects of hoarding, which not only prevents nations from gaining intelligence on many prominent nations, but also, as stated above, devalues the art in the eyes of a tourist,
NOTING the importance of the distribution of art over a large number of nations, as it means that even if a government ceases to exist and its museums are abandoned, the knowledge and beauty they contained will continue to exist in the world. Therefore, Koem Kab’s control over so much art is risky,
DISGUSTED at the methods Koem Kab has used to develop such an abnormally large and high-valued collection, including:
1. Intentionally avoiding the maintenance fees required to increase art collection capacity, which is imposed upon all nations. Unwillingness or inability to pay for a larger capacity results in the inability to be gifted art from other nations, but it does not prevent nations from buying and selling art. Koem Kab circumvents these limits by seizing control of another nation, Greatest Chernobyl, and receiving gifts from Koem Kab’s colonies on said nation. Then, Koem Kab often sells the gifts in Greatest Chernobyl, and uses the bank to buy art in Koem Kab, thus fooling the system.
2. Blatantly increasing the value of useless art from nations such as International Organization, Ortsync, Griet, Divine Will VII, Vacuole, The Home of Hope, Aummunati0n, Neutral Yugoslavia, Death Defiance 17, The CLU Empire, Moorwhyne, Sleepwalker, Jidal, Balmains, Westlandium, The Automobile Industry, and many more. This involves selling the art to a nation controlled by Koem Kab for a high price, which raises the value and thus the value of the collection. While done in smaller chunks it can be argued as a transfer of bank between two nations, but with amounts of bank in the hundreds, it causes Koem Kab's art collections to appear to be worth thousands more than than they actually should be, thus deceiving a tourist and increasing Koem Kab’s international ranking.
3. Koem Kab’s abuse of its massive amount of bank in order to buy low-selling art. This can be done by placing a bid for the art at a price slightly above the market value (a value calculated by the average of all sale prices), then placing another bid for an equal amount as the previous bid, in order to prevent "dropping", which is when another owner of the art will sell for the price bid by Koem Kab, then buy for the originally low price, in order to profit. This dropping-prevention tactic is one that few nations can afford, and often ends the bidding war, which prevents the naïve seller from getting a fair amount of bank for the art,
4. Colonizing thousands of nations for the sole purpose of art production,
AWARE of the methods Koem Kab uses that are widely considered petty for nations with large collections, which includes bank transfer stealing and "pennybidding", which is bidding 0.01 bank above the next highest bid,
FURTHER AWARE that Koem Kab has contributed to the art value inflation. This has been done because the demand for popular art has not been met by the supply, so nations with lots of art from a single nation can demand much higher than its actual worth. This cost increase has made it more difficult for poor nations to own popular art, and ensured that most popular art will go to Koem Kab and other rich collectors,to the detriment of most nations.
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by Bhang Bhang Duc » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:11 am
Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.
RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.
Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..
by Praeceps » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:33 am
Bormiar wrote:
DISGUSTED at the methods used in developing such an abnormally large and high-valued collection, of which includes:
1. Intentionally avoiding the maintenance fees required to increase art collection capacity, which is imposed upon all nations. Unwillingness or inability to pay for a larger capacity results in the inability to be gifted art from other nations, but it does not prevent nations from buying and selling art. Koem Kab circumvents these limits by seizing control of another nation, Greatest Chernobyl, and receiving gifts from Koem Kab’s colonies on said nation. Koem Kab sells the gifts in Greatest Chernobyl to Koem Kab, thus fooling the system.
2. Blatantly increasing the value of useless art from nations such as International Organization, Ortsync, Griet, Divine Will VII, Vacuole, and many more through selling the art to a nation controlled by Koem Kab for a high price, raising the card's value and the value of the collection. It causes Koem Kabs art collections to appear to be worth thousands more than than they actually should be, thus deceiving a tourist and increasing Koem Kab’s international ranking.
3. Koem Kab’s abuse of its massive amount of bank in order to buy low-selling art by placing a bid for art at a price slightly above the market value (calculated by the average of all sale prices), then placing another bid for an equal amount as the previous bid, to prevent another owner of the art will selling for the price bid by Koem Kab, then buy for the originally low price. This dropping-prevention often ends the bidding war, which prevents the naïve seller from getting a fair amount of bank for the art,
4. Colonizing thousands of nations for the sole purpose of art production,
by Bormiar » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:18 pm
The Security Council,
ACKNOWLEDGING the existence of government-owned art collections within nations and the exchange of individual pieces and currency ("bank") that makes up the international art trade,
UNDERSTANDING that art reveals important information on the culture, ideology, and importance of the nation from which it originated,
AWARE that art is not bought and sold based on the artist, or the quality of the piece, but rather the culture that it expresses, so as to expand collections centered around specific nations.
DISTURBED that Koem Kab’s museums have collections so large and high-valued that masterpieces are not recognized for their beauty, instead glanced at due to the sheer amount of them. This disregard for art has been caused by the following:
1. Koem Kab’s museums’ abundance of art from the world’s legendary nations, a description determined by a nation’s longevity, census rankings, and contributions to the world, among other factors. Koem Kab’s museums have an obsession with collecting legendary nations, a trait shared by many, but fulfilled by few.
2. Koem Kab’s active attempts at monopolizing art from NERVUN, of which Koem Kab has a staggering 52 pieces in its collection.
3. Koem Kab’s decision to hoard the artificially high-valued art from Queen Yuno, of which Koem Kab has 10.
4. Koem Kab’s complete unwillingness to sell art unless the buyer is willing to meet unreasonably high prices,
AWARE of the effects of hoarding, which not only prevents nations from gaining intelligence on many prominent nations, but also, as stated above, devalues the art in the eyes of a tourist,
NOTING the importance of the distribution of art over a large number of nations, as it means that even if a government ceases to exist and its museums are abandoned, the knowledge and beauty they contained will continue to exist in the world.
DISGUSTED at the methods Koem Kab has used to develop such an abnormally large and high-valued collection, including:
1. Intentionally avoiding the maintenance fees required to increase art collection capacity, which, if not paid, bars nations from receiving gifts from its colonies. Koem Kab circumvents these limits by seizing control of another nation, Greatest Chernobyl, and receiving gifts from Koem Kab’s colonies on said nation. Koem Kab often sells the gifts in Greatest Chernobyl, thus fooling the system.
2. Blatantly increasing the value of useless art from nations such as International Organization, Ortsync, Griet, Divine Will VII, Vacuole, and many more by selling the art to a nation controlled by Koem Kab for a high price, raising the value and thus the value of the collection. This causes Koem Kab’s art collections to appear to be worth thousands more than than they actually should be, thus deceiving a tourist and increasing Koem Kab’s international ranking.
3. Koem Kab’s abuse of its massive amount of bank in order to buy low-selling art by placing two bids for the art at a price slightly above the market value (a value calculated by the average of all sale prices), a tactic used in order to prevent “dropping”, in which another owner of the art sells for the price bid by Koem Kab, then buys for the originally low price, in order to profit. This dropping-prevention tactic is one that few nations can afford, and often ends the bidding war, which prevents the naïve seller from getting a fair amount of bank for the art,
4. Colonizing thousands of nations for the sole purpose of art production,
AWARE of the methods Koem Kab uses that are widely considered petty for nations with large collections, which includes bank transfer stealing and "pennybidding", which is bidding 0.01 bank above the next highest bid,
FURTHER AWARE that Koem Kab has contributed to the art value inflation. This has been done because the demand for popular art has not been met by the supply, so nations with lots of art from a single nation can demand much higher than its actual worth. This cost increase has made it more difficult for poor nations to own popular art, and ensured that most popular art will go to Koem Kab and other rich collectors.
CONCLUDING that Koem Kab has prevented growth of small museums, inflated art prices, stolen transferred bank, pennybidded, artificially raised card value, nearly monopolized ownership of some art, and hoarded,
Hereby condemns Koem Kab
by Marxist Germany » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:53 pm
by Ransium » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:10 pm
by Bormiar » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:15 pm
Ransium wrote:Sorry I haven’t provided useful feedback. Can I persuade you to hold off on submitting for this for me to think about the legality of it.
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