[Draft] Condemn Consular

[South Reinkalistan]

The Security Council,

Understanding that a precedent needs to be set for regions and nations that act in a bellicose, threatening or otherwise aggressive manner,

Re-affirming the ideal that wanton aggression should be punished accordingly,

Asserting that deliberately spreading misinformation for personal goals can under no circumstances be tolerated,

Deciding that the nation of Consular has acted in this manner while exploiting the desire of nations to seek peace,

Has Hereby decided to Condemn Consular

[Borovan entered the region as he]

Ok I relly dunt think he shuld be condem just 4m this

[South Reinkalistan]

Ok I relly dunt think he shuld be condem just 4m this

Tell me. Do you think that misleading an entire community for personal gain should be a punishment-free offence? If we let people simply launch on a condemnation mission based off of little to no fact, the World Assembly as an institution has failed.

[Borovan entered the region as he]

Ok I relly dunt think he shuld be condem just 4m this

Tell me. Do you think that misleading an entire community for personal gain should be a punishment-free offence? If we let people simply launch on a condemnation mission based off of little to no fact, the World Assembly as an institution has failed.

No they shouldn't get off easi 4 deceiving the international comunity and wut consular did was wrong but i think condemns shuld bee 4 more thos that deserve it. If this goes it'll stay and be known 2 every1 so public disaproval and shame wuld be better with out formal condem

[Luxcentra]

Tell me. Do you think that misleading an entire community for personal gain should be a punishment-free offence? If we let people simply launch on a condemnation mission based off of little to no fact, the World Assembly as an institution has failed.

No they shouldn't get off easi 4 deceiving the international comunity and wut consular did was wrong but i think condemns shuld bee 4 more thos that deserve it. If this goes it'll stay and be known 2 every1 so public disaproval and shame wuld be better with out formal condem

y du you tipe liek that? I'm genuineli qurious

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Another badge hunting, bandwagon jumping, crap proposal.

If submitted would probably be ruled illegal for tit-for-tat.

If you want to condemn Consular try and do some research, put a bit of effort in, a bit of work instead of this lazy attempt.

[South Reinkalistan]

Another badge hunting, bandwagon jumping, crap proposal.

If submitted would probably be ruled illegal for tit-for-tat.

If you want to condemn Consular try and do some research, put a bit of effort in, a bit of work instead of this lazy attempt.

The Security Council,

Understanding that a precedent needs to be set for regions and nations that act in a bellicose, threatening or otherwise aggressive manner,

Re-affirming the ideal that wanton aggression should be punished,

Asserting that deliberately spreading misinformation for personal goals can under no circumstances be tolerated,

Recognizing that fabricated claims were spread by Consular in order to satisfy personal desires in the form of a staged screenshot in a condemnation proposal against The Land of Kings and Emperors,

Noting that even with this fabrication, the nation in question was still able to gather significant support for the condemnation proposal,

Concerned over the precedent this sets for future condemnation proposals,

Has Hereby decided to Condemn Consular



(This is the one I've submitted, is currently awaiting approval)

[East Meranopirus]

Another badge hunting, bandwagon jumping, crap proposal.

If submitted would probably be ruled illegal for tit-for-tat.

If you want to condemn Consular try and do some research, put a bit of effort in, a bit of work instead of this lazy attempt.

The Security Council,

Understanding that a precedent needs to be set for regions and nations that act in a bellicose, threatening or otherwise aggressive manner,

Re-affirming the ideal that wanton aggression should be punished,

Asserting that deliberately spreading misinformation for personal goals can under no circumstances be tolerated,

Recognizing that fabricated claims were spread by Consular in order to satisfy personal desires in the form of a staged screenshot in a condemnation proposal against The Land of Kings and Emperors,

Noting that even with this fabrication, the nation in question was still able to gather significant support for the condemnation proposal,

Concerned over the precedent this sets for future condemnation proposals,

Has Hereby decided to Condemn Consular



(This is the one I've submitted, is currently awaiting approval)

It's no improvement. Everything he said still applies. You're jumping on the bandwagon to write a Condemnation that includes nothing but his recent resolution, which is
1) tit for tat;
2) it's not condemnable to write a bad resolution (or else I'd be condemning you); and
3) shows you can't even bother to research anything else he's done.

[Jakker]

I'm currently trying to decide if the term "screenshot" would be a 4c violation in this case.

[Kuriko]

I'm currently trying to decide if the term "screenshot" would be a 4c violation in this case.

I believe it would count as one, seeing as a screenshot is a technical sense of a computer and the only way to take a screenshot of a region is by using the RL entity. Nation's (as they're supposed to exist in-game) wouldn't be able to take a computer screenshot of the region they're in.

[Lord Dominator]

At least not in the sense that the author clearly means.

Against, regardless.

[Eumaeus]

The Security Council,

Understanding that a precedent needs to be set for regions and nations that act in a bellicose, threatening or otherwise aggressive manner,

Re-affirming the ideal that wanton aggression should be punished,

It is just "reaffirming", no need for a hyphen.

Asserting that deliberately spreading misinformation for personal goals can under no circumstances be tolerated,

Recognizing that fabricated claims were spread by Consular in order to satisfy personal desires in the form of a staged screenshot in a condemnation proposal against The Land of Kings and Emperors,

I'm going to do something unexpected, and defend the use of the term "screenshot". Admittedly there are far better terms that could be used in this context, such as "evidence" or "documents", that would fit in more with the IC diplomatic aspects of the World Assembly. However, many nations in the NS multiverse have present, near-futuristic, and futuristic technology that includes computers, which are mentioned in a least a few issues. I think that the idea that screenshot technology exists within the NS multiverse is entirely plausible, and that one could interpret the usage of the term "screenshot" in a proposal as In Context, in this case viewing the telegram Consular sent and the screenshot included within it as being IC actions. Is a screenshot a good piece of evidence IC, that a real nation would actually rely upon to be persuasive? No, probably not. But is it possible that a nation could attempt to pass off a screenshot as legitimate evidence of a warcrime? Sure, it is a thing that is at least technically possible.

All that being said, it is pretty clear that this explanation, whether a mod would buy it or not, is clearly not what the author was thinking. In fact, I feel like the glaring controversy of whether the term "screenshot" is an R4c violation, is drawing attention away from the fact that the clause isn't even factually accurate. The screenshot was no "screenshot in [the] condemnation proposal against The Land of Kings and Emperors". The screenshot was included in the telegram campaign associated with the proposal. This will admittedly be a bit of a stretch, but considering the fact that it is against SC rules to include outside links in SC proposals, and this proposal can be read as addressing a violation of said rule by another author, this clause could be interpreted as a Rule 2c violation. At the very least, however, it is inaccurate.

Edit 2: ffs this isn't even in the submitted version of the proposal. Nevermind, I guess this is all hypothetical now.

Noting that even with this fabrication, the nation in question was still able to gather significant support for the condemnation proposal,

Concerned over the precedent this sets for future condemnation proposals,

Has Hereby decided to Condemn Consular

Personally, I would prefer the operative clause be in the present tense rather than past tense.

While it is true that Consular's actions would need to be worded carefully to avoid rule violations, and certain specifics cannot be stated in compliance with SC rules, this proposal contains no specifics. It also appears that little to no research has been put into it.

Edit: I originally quoted the OP instead of the updated draft. I added in a mini-essay on SC Rules interpretation of the clause Jakker mentioned.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Really can’t see much of a difference between the submitted proposal ruled as legal and this one

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1559428063

ruled as illegal (partially) for tit-for-tat.

[Wrapper]

I marked this illegal for tit-for-tat.

[Borovan entered the region as he]

No they shouldn't get off easi 4 deceiving the international comunity and wut consular did was wrong but i think condemns shuld bee 4 more thos that deserve it. If this goes it'll stay and be known 2 every1 so public disaproval and shame wuld be better with out formal condem

y du you tipe liek that? I'm genuineli qurious

u dunt need 2 no but aye no that I am not know ing good riting and it hurts my brain sometimes lik panefuly

[Jakker]

Really can’t see much of a difference between the submitted proposal ruled as legal and this one

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1559428063

ruled as illegal (partially) for tit-for-tat.

I guess I see the tit-for-tat rule a little differently than my colleagues, but I can see how it could be regarded as such. I adjusted my ruling accordingly.

[Satuga]

This Condemn is pretty garbage, you really can't condemn someone for making a shitty resolution/condemnation, nor can you really condemn someone for their posts, and while I agree that Consular was being a toxic asshole, condemnation is not the right action. Honestly you and Consular are kinda acting like children.

[Lyrical International Brigade]

The SC did not condemn Bitely for succeeding in passing an incredibly shitty resolution, it's not going to condemn Consular for trying and failing.

[Aclion]

The SC did not condemn Bitely for succeeding in passing an incredibly shitty resolution, it's not going to condemn Consular for trying and failing.

Did he (try to) do so by faking evidence of (non-site-rule violating)wrongdoing?

[Artsotska]

This condemning isn't good enough and lacks the evidence to support it. Try again another time dude, because this one clearly failed by the looks of it.

[Eumaeus]

The SC did not condemn Bitely for succeeding in passing an incredibly shitty resolution, it's not going to condemn Consular for trying and failing.

Did he (try to) do so by faking evidence of (non-site-rule violating)wrongdoing?

If I recall correctly, Bitely appeared to have infinite money to spend on telegram campaigns, offsetting his absolutely awful writing abilities. I think at one point he actually bought ad space to campaign for something. He was completely unapologetic for essentially turning the WA into a pay-to-win game. There was some other stuff, but I can't quite remember it.

[Padfootia]

The SC did not condemn Bitely for succeeding in passing an incredibly shitty resolution, it's not going to condemn Consular for trying and failing.

Yeah you should put more facts into it not just Consular deserved it.