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Why Does NS Condemn Fascist Nations/Regions?

Postby Woods Is Back » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:02 pm

It has proved to be a favorite of the SC to condemn fascist nations/regions. But why? All we are doing is condemning them based on their beliefs- which is just oppressing them. I understand that many of these nations/regions oppress people, take advantage of others, and ruin lives- but isn't that we are doing when we shame them? We usually say that we care for others, but it doesn't seem like we care about them when we are subjecting people to shame based on their beliefs. In my opinion, this should stop, because those fascists could use the same tactics we are using to fight them to retaliate at us, and we all have plenty of dirt on us.

My question to you NS is what do you think, should we continue to condemn people based on their beliefs, or should it stop?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:04 pm

Does saying "condemn x nation/region" actually do anything?
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:09 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Does saying "condemn x nation/region" actually do anything?

Not really, but "liberating" a region certainly does.
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Postby Ourisio » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:13 pm

In this case, yes. Continue to condemn fascists.
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:36 pm

Fascism is generally something that people should try to condemn. I don't understand anything about gameplay/Security Council, anything like that, I really don't, but if regions with a lot of fascists in them get a simple condemnation, eh, yeah, that's probably cool.
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Postby US-SSR » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:58 pm

Because fascism sucks and deserves to be condemned.
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Postby Borovan entered the region as he » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:40 pm

Fascism is something normal person don't associate with. There's something sketchy and to stay away from
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Postby Inkopolitia » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:42 pm

I don't get why communism isn't as condemned as fascism. Both ideologies are equally diagusting.
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Postby Likar » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:42 pm

It seems that most "radical" ideological regions are targeted. Communist, Fascist, Nationalist, and Socialist are all major targets, but Fascist seems to be a favorite.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:46 pm

I mean. Why not?
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Postby Diyaristan » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:52 pm

(note: not a fascist nation here, just occupied by Sevevill due to region RP)

Well, seeing as the WA is made of national heads of state, they pretty much condemn according to their leaders' feelings. Pariah states do exist in real life because most world leaders simply don't like their politics, and they might (like North Korea at one point) face a lot of economic and military pressure. Although, I wonder why no one has condemned Menta Lee-Il, because that guy has committed a LOT of heinous crimes and inspired hundreds of other dictators to follow his example...
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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:58 pm

Condemnations don't do much in-game other than give the condemned region/player a badge. I don't think it has to do with more condemning just because they're a fascist but more to their in-game actions that warranted such a condemnation. If the condemned nation played how they did to get that distinction, it's a testament to their high NS IQ.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed May 01, 2019 2:21 pm

... This is, like, a double-meta discussion. Or a triple-meta discussion.

The World Assembly could be roleplaying the conservative view of the UN, which they see as anti-conservative authoritarian, or the UN's view of itself, which is anti-authoritarian.

While the fascists are roleplaying... Your alt-right basement fascist who... Condemns... Authoritarian leftism but... It's roleplaying but it's not but

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Postby -Ocelot- » Wed May 01, 2019 2:45 pm

Woods Is Back wrote:It has proved to be a favorite of the SC to condemn fascist nations/regions. But why? All we are doing is condemning them based on their beliefs- which is just oppressing them.


Sounds good to me.

Inkopolitia wrote:I don't get why communism isn't as condemned as fascism. Both ideologies are equally diagusting.


There is an important difference. Fascism is an ideology based on systemic and continuous violence, which is necessary for it to function. Violence is desired under Fascism. Communism may be authoritarian but it's not an ideology that demands violence and man-eat-man behavior.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Wed May 01, 2019 3:45 pm

Woods Is Back wrote:It has proved to be a favorite of the SC to condemn fascist nations/regions. But why? All we are doing is condemning them based on their beliefs- which is just oppressing them. I understand that many of these nations/regions oppress people, take advantage of others, and ruin lives- but isn't that we are doing when we shame them? We usually say that we care for others, but it doesn't seem like we care about them when we are subjecting people to shame based on their beliefs. In my opinion, this should stop, because those fascists could use the same tactics we are using to fight them to retaliate at us, and we all have plenty of dirt on us.

My question to you NS is what do you think, should we continue to condemn people based on their beliefs, or should it stop?

You’re implying that regions who’s RL ideology counterparts “ruin lives” should just be ignored?

We must stop radical ideologies to the left and the right. Condemnations are the wrong path, however. Liberation is more like it.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Wed May 01, 2019 3:46 pm

Inkopolitia wrote:I don't get why communism isn't as condemned as fascism. Both ideologies are equally diagusting.

Fascism and communism are both disgusting, yes, however I’d say that fascism is the lesser of the two evils.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed May 01, 2019 4:00 pm

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Woods Is Back wrote:It has proved to be a favorite of the SC to condemn fascist nations/regions. But why? All we are doing is condemning them based on their beliefs- which is just oppressing them.


Sounds good to me.

Inkopolitia wrote:I don't get why communism isn't as condemned as fascism. Both ideologies are equally diagusting.


There is an important difference. Fascism is an ideology based on systemic and continuous violence, which is necessary for it to function. Violence is desired under Fascism. Communism may be authoritarian but it's not an ideology that demands violence and man-eat-man behavior.

Communism is also based on continuous violence. They just hide it, while the fascists do not.
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Postby Saiwania » Wed May 01, 2019 4:01 pm

Commend/Condemns are just some silly game side mechanic the gives a region a badge of honor or shame. Because this website is so full of liberals, of course Fascists have to be more on guard for external and internal enemies or saboteurs that're the Communist or Antifa types.

Getting condemnned is nothing to worry about other than that it labels a region as "Muahahaha! They're so bad and evil!" Well, that is what the majority of liberals think of authoritarians. The way to deal with it is to embrace a "badass" image and "flip the script" to your favor.

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Postby The Rich Port » Wed May 01, 2019 4:08 pm

Saiwania wrote:Commend/Condemns are just some silly game side mechanic the gives a region a badge of honor or shame. Because this website is so full of liberals, of course Fascists have to be more on guard for external and internal enemies or saboteurs that're the Communist or Antifa types.

Getting condemnned is nothing to worry about other than that it labels a region as "Muahahaha! They're so bad and evil!" Well, that is what the majority of liberals think of authoritarians. The way to deal with it is to embrace a "badass" image and "flip the script" to your favor.


Oh jeez... Are the fascist regions playing into the whole "fascism is evil" stereotype?

Can you imagine if they were stereotyping themselves, causing liberals to buy into the stereotype.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed May 01, 2019 5:22 pm

Ifreann wrote:"People in a pretend UN said that their pretend governments had agreed to condemn my pretend nation AND THIS IS OPPRESSION" - Fascists, 2019


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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Does saying "condemn x nation/region" actually do anything?

No. It just puts a little thing next to your nation/region's name saying you were condemned by the World Assembly.

That's about it. About as useless as the real-life UN.
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Major-Tom wrote:Fascism is generally something that people should try to condemn. I don't understand anything about gameplay/Security Council, anything like that, I really don't, but if regions with a lot of fascists in them get a simple condemnation, eh, yeah, that's probably cool.

Honestly most regions view condemnation as badges and not as anything remotely bad
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Postby Quaeg » Wed May 01, 2019 6:10 pm

Fascism is different from alot of other ideologies because it's actively hostile. Aggressiveness and scapegoating is part of its basis. It's not like other political stances where it has an official definition, it's more of an umbrella term for oligarchies and authoritarianism. You don't have 'policies of fascism' you have 'early warning signs of fascism'. People condemn fascism because unlike other political positions (eg. conservative or liberal) which are fairly neutral, fascism is indicative of malevolent intent.
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