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[DRAFT] Condemn Dalimbar

PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:06 pm
by Ghostfox
Hi there. This is my first WA proposal, a project that I actually began a year ago. I didn't have very much knowledge on the SC when I started, and because of that I sort've floundered around for a while. Recently I sought the help of a few people, mostly Lord Dominator, to give me a bit of insight into what I needed to work on. But it quickly became apparent that writing in (mostly) a vacuum wasn't doing much for the proposal. So I'm bringing it to the SC forum to seek advice and guidance in how to chisel it out into a prospective resolution. Thanks for any advice or tips, and thanks for reading. <3

The Security Council,

Believing regional sovereignty to be among the core virtues of this esteemed body,

Recognizing the Security Council’s history of viewing the disruption of legal and sovereign governments as negative and destructive especially in the case of rogue delegacies,

Appalled at Dalimbar’s coups d’etats of The North Pacific as Chodean Kal in 2007 preceded by the use of outside help to influence delegate elections, which resulted in the destruction of the regional government and the merciless banning of native inhabitants,

Further dismayed at Dalimbar’s actions as senior member “Lady Anastasia” of The Empire, a group of rogue nations which overthrew the legal government of The East Pacific in 2008, installed an illegitimate regime for a period of 5 months for no better reason than to see what they could achieve, and subsequently declared war on the largest and most populated regions in the world.

Enraged at the actions taken by Dalimbar to destabilize and manipulate the Kemetic Republic of Osiris for the pursuit of egotistical drive and control over the region, including a 24 hour coup d’etat against the legitimate Pharaoh, and an incident in which member nations flew the flag of The Empire at the behest of Dalimbar as a threat to the sovereignty of Osiris,

Cognizant of Dalimbar’s support of several additional rogue delegacies over a wide range of the most populous regions in the world, including active roles in
-Emperor Matthuis’ coup d’etat of the North Pacific in October of 2007,
-Lewis and Clark’s Crimson Order coup d’etat of the North Pacific in 2008,
-Wickedly Evil People’s coup d’etat of the West Pacific in 2009,
and acting as an advisor in
-Sedgistan’s coup d’etat of the South Pacific in 2011, and
-Lone Wolves United’s coup d’etat of Lazarus in 2017,

Disappointed in Dalimbar’s continued dialogue of opposition to sovereignty including threats to regional governments, the advocacy of espionage and subterfuge, and the encouragement to other nations in disrupting and/or overthrowing communities.

Realizing the skill and dedication it takes to maintain such a vicious opposition to sovereignty and horrified at Dalimbar’s willingness to use said skill and dedication in pursuit of maligning regional stability,

Shocked that Dalimbar has been allowed to perpetrate recurring violence against stability and sovereignty of communities for over 14 years without any widespread consequence,

Hereby condemns Dalimbar.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:37 pm
by Armaros
Full support.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:41 pm
by Praeceps
Ghostfox wrote:Cognizant of Dalimbar’s support of several additional rogue delegacies over a wide range of the most populous regions in the world, including active roles in
-Emperor Matthuis’ coup d’etat of the North Pacific in October of 2007,
-Lewis and Clark’s Crimson Order coup d’etat of the North Pacific in 2008,
-Wickedly Evil People’s coup d’etat of the West Pacific in 2009,
and acting as an advisor in
-Sedgistan’s coup d’etat of the South Pacific in 2011, and
-Lone Wolves United’s coup d’etat of Lazarus in 2017,

Might I suggest elaborating on Dalimbar's roles in the coups of the aforementioned regions? You have the room to go into more depth and flesh out the atrocities.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:19 pm
by Ghostfox
Praeceps wrote:
Ghostfox wrote:Might I suggest elaborating on Dalimbar's roles in the coups of the aforementioned regions? You have the room to go into more depth and flesh out the atrocities.


Yeah definitely. I was worried about the bullet list a bit, but I wasn't sure if I had the space to talk about all of it. But I think I will make expanding this the next goal in refining the proposal.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:15 am
by Xoriet
Well-deserved. That fiend, couping all those innocent regions! >:(

Ily Dali <3

PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:06 am
by Aclion
the destruction of the former regional government
That the government doesn't exist anymore is implied by the fact that it was destroyed. Calling it the former government makes it sound like they destroyed a government that was already defunct.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:58 am
by Ghostfox
Aclion wrote:
the destruction of the former regional government
That the government doesn't exist anymore is implied by the fact that it was destroyed. Calling it the former government makes it sound like they destroyed a government that was already defunct.


Ooh, good call. Thanks. :3

PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:56 am
by The Red Kings
Realizing the skill and dedication it takes to maintain such a vicious opposition to sovereignty and horrified at Dalimbar’s willingness to use said skill and dedication in pursuit of maligning regional stability,


I believe that this line is rather superfluous and perhaps gives more credit to the individual you are trying to condemn that was intended? The useful content is already included in the line below and therefore this line should be deleted

Shocked that Dalimbar has been allowed to perpetrate recurring violence against stability and sovereignty of stable and sovereign communities for over 14 years without any widespread consequence


The condemnation appears to be against the individuals actions against specific communities rather than stability and sovereignty generally, so this amendment seems appropriate

PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:01 pm
by Killer Kitty
Ghostfox wrote:
-Lone Wolves United’s coup d’etat of Lazarus in 2017


There was no LWU coup of Lazarus in 2017 when the Civil War started and the Khanate didn't occur until 2018.

PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:50 pm
by Aclion
Killer Kitty wrote:
Ghostfox wrote:
-Lone Wolves United’s coup d’etat of Lazarus in 2017


There was no LWU coup of Lazarus in 2017 when the Civil War started and the Khanate didn't occur until 2018.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:16 pm
by Ghostfox
Killer Kitty wrote:
Ghostfox wrote:
-Lone Wolves United’s coup d’etat of Lazarus in 2017


There was no LWU coup of Lazarus in 2017 when the Civil War started and the Khanate didn't occur until 2018.


I'll see if I can address this particular line in a way that better suits an all around view of the event. If not, I may leave it out. I don't think that Dali is lacking for participation in coups. :P

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:29 pm
by Barfleur
I'm a big fan of coups, I think they keep things new and exciting! :D

On a more serious note, I support this bill. We at the SC do have a job, after all.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:25 pm
by Pretty Girls
This is something that's still happening, I just got particularly sidetracked. Sorry for the delay. D:

PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:07 pm
by Mallorea and Riva
Dali is a saint, opposed.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:12 am
by Padfootia
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Dali is a saint, opposed.

You sure? Well I support this.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:45 am
by Fecaw
Support.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:36 pm
by Bormiar
I've asked and have been given permission to continue this draft as either author or co-author. Here's a second draft written by me. I'm hoping to get comments on it as I'm not sure what direction to take here [EDIT: one direction could potentially be commendation, so I'm really not sure here]. Without further ado, here's draft 2.

The Security Council,

Recognizing Dalimbar to be an anti-establishment menace and infamous couper,

Noting that Dalimbar controls the colonies of Lady Anastasia and Chodean Kal,

Grounding this resolution on the notion that a history of militaristic overthrows and subversion perpetrated by a single nation are not indicative of good intentions, but rather show signs of impulsiveness, selfishness, and cruelty,

Admonishing Dalimbar for its early betrayal of the North Pacific as its “legitimate delegate”, in which Dalimbar manipulated elections through importation before dissolving the government, ejecting natives, and simultaneously claiming to be the native delegate,

Horrified that Dalimbar, along with other members of The Empire, helped in the 2008 coup d’etat of The East Pacific, which consisted of needless ejections of natives at the end of The Empire’s 4 month regime, and The Empire frequently insulting the upset natives through unwarranted, demeaning propaganda,

Enraged at the actions taken by Dalimbar to destabilize and manipulate the Kemetic Republic of Osiris, including a 24 hour coup d’etat against the legitimate Pharaoh, and a diplomatic debacle in which couping nations flew the flag of The Empire at the behest of Dalimbar as a threat to the sovereignty of Osiris,

Disturbed by Dalimbar’s roles in supporting the coups and rogue delegacies of:
  1. The Devonitians / Sedgistan coup d’etat in 2011, in which Sedgistan, secretly controlling the government of Devonitians, unlawfully seized control over the delegacy in the South Pacific. During this coup, Dalimbar was tasked with drawing in support from numerous raider regions, and, in lieu of wisely choosing to maintain stability in regions such as the Rejected Realms, supported Biyah in revealing Sedgistans affiliations with Devonitians,
  2. Westwind’s rogue delegacy in the North Pacific, which, supported by Gatesville, resulted in the constitution being dissolved, the foundation of the Crimson Order, and crippled relations between Gatesville and the Founderless Regions Alliance, as well as Equilism’s reputation.
  3. Emperor Matthius’ rogue delegacy in the North Pacific,
Laughing at Dalimbar’s frequent description of their actions as improvements, necessities, or at all benefiting their victim’s prosperous communities, which is clearly propaganda,

Restating, now having provided insurmountable evidence, that Dalimbar’s only goal is for destruction and subversion of happy, stable governments, and that Dalimbar has outrageously satisfied this ambition,

Hereby condemns Dalimbar


Nation / region tags will be added later.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:49 pm
by Aenglaland
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Dali is a saint, opposed.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:20 am
by Numero Capitan
I’m not sure the worst thing about the Lewis and Clark rogue delegacy was that it “crippled relations between Gatesville and the Founderless Regions Alliance” - that’s not even accurate. I’d say it had no impact on relations between Gatesville and the FRA but it doesn’t seem a relevant part of Dali’s back catalogue. I’d keep that line just about the constitution being dissolved with outside support and the ejection of long-term natives.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:29 pm
by Odin
EDIT: this is confusing. I was logged-in as Bormiar but it posted as Odin. Huh.

Here is a better / good version of this proposal. The second parenthesis in the disgusted clause about Chodean Kal was referring to Dalimbar's claim that his nation got hacked when Dalimbar ejected updaters coming in to take him out. I doubt anyone believes that his nation was hacked and all the hacked did was eject Dali's enemies :P.

Nation tags come later.

The Security Council,

Disturbed by Dalimbar, a nation that, despite once being a prominent defender in the Red Liberty Alliance and Alliance Defense Network, has made a habit of unfairly revoking many regions’ sovereignty to satisfy its need for destruction,

Finding demonstration of the terror that Dalimbar imposed upon other nations through its senior membership in the Empire, a closed paramilitary organization which was best known for subjugating the East Pacific to months of suffering in 2008, which Dalimbar served in the important roles as Lady of the Shadows (Head of Intelligence) and Coordinator of Consolidation and Expansion (Head of Foreign Affairs) for,

Detailing the Empire coup of the East Pacific to be one of the longest coups in history, in which the rogue government declared war on all the feeders and sinkers; maintained that those outside of the Empire were morally inferior by calling the Empire’s domain in the East Pacific “the Purified Lands”, requiring a “cleansing” process in joining the Empire, and describing their enemies as “scum” and “filth”; nearly indoctrinated the West Pacific into supporting the tyrannical regime (something Dalimbar would’ve been influential in); and disposed of natives within the region,

Recognizing that, after subverting the East Pacific’s legitimate government, Dalimbar and the Empire’s members would move on to the early days of Osiris, where Dalimbar, despite being the region’s third delegate and a trusted forum administrator, would commit atrocities, such as:
  1. Assisting to trick the United Defenders League into believing that Osiris was being couped, which resulted in the United Defenders League supporting Dalimbar and its allies, who proceded to purge about 500 native Osirans during the coup,
  2. Attempting to intimidate Astarial by flying the Empire’s flag and unendorsing delegate Astarial along with Lord Ravenclaw, Diamete, and Biyah, all members of the Council of Ma’at (the regional security council of the region at the time),
  3. Weakening the region (whether intentionally or not) by not resigning when it became clear it could not continue with its delegacy position, instead allowing itself to cease to exist,
  4. Opposing the reform of Osiris in its transition from the Kemetic Republic of Osiris into the Osiris Fraternal Order,

Disgusted by Dalimbar’s betrayal of the North Pacific as Chodean Kal, in which Dalimbar, as a radical alternative to improving the North Pacific via legitimate means such as the Adjutant Corps it made (a task force meant to evaluate and improve the North Pacific), chose to overthrow the legitimate government, change the forums, attempt to replace the constitution, and eject nations supporting the legitimate government (an action Dalimbar claimed to have been done by foreign operatives who took control of the nation, despite helping in the coup),

Threatened by the various major coups Dalimbar has been a supporter or colluder in, such as:
  1. Westwind’s rogue delegacy in the North Pacific, which dissolved the North Pacific’s rightful government and military, instead creating the Crimson Order, a government which Dalimbar served as Lord Marshal General in,
  2. The New Lazarene Order, a regime in Lazarus led by many members of the New Pacific order; and the Lone Wolves United “khanate” in Lazarus,
  3. Emperor Matthius’s rogue delegacy in the North Pacific, which was a coup in which a group chose to force Emperor Matthius into the delegacy legitimately held by Great Bights Mum, which served as a platform for Emperor Matthius to eject endorsers and invade the Rejected Realms,

Disapproving of the Dalimbaris’ excessive fondness of alcohol beverages,

Stressing the horrid acts of destabilization by Dalimbar, and that Dalimbar’s crimes against the strong communities of the world should be condemned,

Hereby condemns Dalimbar.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:39 pm
by Fauxia
Imposes in the present? My impression has been that Empire is gone, replaced by Rahl...

Aenglaland wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Dali is a saint, opposed.

That sounds like all the more reason to support :twisted:

Edit: I don’t think the list of three coups near the end is forceful enough. "Led by important members of the NPO" is not incriminating. I get that you called it a coup, but it’s more mild-mannered than it needs to be.

Also, can we have some hyperlinks?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:55 pm
by Bormiar
Fauxia wrote:Imposes in the present? My impression has been that Empire is gone, replaced by Rahl...

I could call it a typo (d is right next to s on the keyboard), but when I wrote that I thought it would be more fun to call Dali currently scary. Seeing how that could be interpreted to suggest that the Empire is still a thing, I'll change it.

Fauxia wrote:
Aenglaland wrote:

That sounds like all the more reason to support :twisted:

That quote is going to be sent through this thread 'till it gets archived.

Fauxia wrote:Edit: I don’t think the list of three coups near the end is forceful enough. "Led by important members of the NPO" is not incriminating. I get that you called it a coup, but it’s more mild-mannered than it needs to be.

Yeah, now that I think about it, that doesn't sound condemn-y enough.

Fauxia wrote:Also, can we have some hyperlinks?

Hyperlinks? Like nation/region tags, or sources?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:27 pm
by Fauxia
Like nation/region tags. Usually there’s at least one to the target nation at least, but I like to have a hyperlink to basically every region (although since you have a list there’s decent reason not to)