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Postby Oxes Republic » Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:52 am

The raid I mention was 3 separate raids that occurred close to each other and they put a unified name on all of them. Should I write a clause for each wave of the raid (there was 3)? Also which cliche clauses should I remove?
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:22 am

Oxes Republic wrote:The raid I mention was 3 separate raids that occurred close to each other and they put a unified name on all of them. Should I write a clause for each wave of the raid (there was 3)? Also which cliche clauses should I remove?

Well if you removed all of them you’d have one clause left. :)

However you describe that one raid, it remains one raid. If you think the SC is going condemn on the paltry evidence you’ve brought so far, then please submit and see how far it gets.
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Postby Oxes Republic » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:28 am

Ok so I’ll find more examples, should I find like 5 major raids? Should I also mention they raid regions on a daily basis?
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:54 am

Oxes Republic wrote:Ok so I’ll find more examples, should I find like 5 major raids? Should I also mention they raid regions on a daily basis?

Who’s writing this, you or me?
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Postby Oxes Republic » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:57 am

I’m new at this. I just don’t know how many examples I need to make it convincing enough
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Postby Oxes Republic » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:01 am

During the day immjust taking suggestions and critiques, I’ll write a new form of it in the morning till it’s passable
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Postby Raionitu » Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:58 am

I noticed you moved to lily. If you are a member of Lily, this is very unlikely to pass, even if you make it really good, as self condemnation is generally frowned upon
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Postby Oxes Republic » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:14 am

Thank you fahren for those critiques. Most of them you are right and need to be changed (besides Facebook's. Yes they are extremely nice but it eliminates the entire culture of the region)
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Postby Oxes Republic » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:16 am

I am not affiliated with any raiding region. I have bounced around a lot due to role play, but my main region and home Region is Region Name
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Postby Ransium » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:41 am

Again, stop the multi post bumps it’s spammy. You can edit previous posts or keep a changelog.

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Postby Fahran » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:58 am

Another day, another condemnation attempt. Speaking on behalf of Lily, where I hold the offices of Triumvir of the Louloúdia and Stélechos of Foreign Affairs, we hereby oppose this condemnation due to the bad quality of the writing, the factual inaccuracies, and the suspect motives of the individuals behind this resolution - who I believe are affiliated with the late The Grey Wolves GWS. While we concede that a good many individuals and regions may have adequate justifications for attempting to bring a condemnation against us, such a resolution must stand on its merits and must be reflective of our actual, established misdeeds.

Oxes Republic wrote:ACKNOWLEDGING that raiding is legal and unrestricted,

FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGING raiding is a hinderance and a restriction on many regions and nations, preventing peaceful existence and general happiness

This does not distinguish us from any other region or organization involved in raiding, a rather remarkable fact given that we have a niche reputation for excellent tag raids involving small groups of raiders and large numbers of targets. If you're intent on condemning us, you'll need a good deal more substance than utterances of vanilla "raiding." It might be worthwhile to mention some regions our members have raided and refounded as well or active communities that we've brutalized.

Oxes Republic wrote:NOTING that Lily claims to be a “military organization” that both defends and attacks opposing regions.

Our military is apolitical, independent, and inter-regional. The wording of this is a bit odd. Perhaps elaborate on why these aspects of our military are especially insidious or deleterious to the broader NS community? I find they foster unity and friendship if anything.

Oxes Republic wrote:FURTHER NOTING that member nations of Lily only defend regions after the region has been sucessfully raided and taken over by the raiding nations of Lily.

Is this a condemnation of our region as a whole or particular membership? In any case, it's inaccurate. Lily has collaborated with defender organizations in the past to engage in liberations and defenses, most especially when protecting regions targeted by The Black Hawks. Individual members have also engaged in liberations, detags, and community-building operations in a multitude of regional organizations outside Lily, though these would warrant an individually targeted resolution to address any perceived heroics or misdeeds. It makes no sense to commend or condemn Lily as a whole for what someone did with Hartfelden or Elparia.

Oxes Republic wrote:SHOCKED that the Security Council has not condemned Lily’s raiding practices before.

You and me both. :p

Oxes Republic wrote:APALLED that on April 6th, 2018, Member Nations of Lily participated in “Operation Supernova”, in which the raiding nations sucessfully raided 838 small regions, many of which are inactive currently or have ceased to exist,

Operation Supernova was a rather large one, but I'm not certain we hit that many regions. The largest wave, set on April 14th of 2018's major update, snagged 407 regions in a single hour and a half. If my math is correct, all three waves of that operation resulted in a total of 848 hits. This is certainly an accomplishment that some might consider worthy enough to warrant a condemnation, but the details here are inaccurate and you have yet to demonstrate that tag raiding is especially heinous - unless sheer volume counts for something.

Oxes Republic wrote:BELEIVING the raiding and destruction of regions lowers the amount of Regional World Assembly Delegates, which in turn decreases the amount of nations represented in the World Assembly

How many WA Delegates have complained though?

Oxes Republic wrote:SHOCKED at the Member Nations of Lily’s practice of, after raiding regions, using them as advertising space of Lily, putting a hinderance of the freedom and culture of a region

You're shocked by how pretty our WFEs are, right? Right?

Oxes Republic wrote:HEREBY CONDEMNS Lily

No u

In all seriousness, our offer to answer questions remains open. As does our invitation to browse our reports.
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Postby Fahran » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:00 am

Raionitu wrote:I noticed you moved to lily. If you are a member of Lily, this is very unlikely to pass, even if you make it really good, as self condemnation is generally frowned upon

As far as I know, Oxes Republic is not affiliated with Lily in any way, though we have had a flood of visitors to our forums and Discord server of late. I believe they're more closely affiliated with the late The Grey Wolves GWS or The Cavalry, but I have no real proof of that.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:10 pm

Fahran wrote:
Raionitu wrote:I noticed you moved to lily. If you are a member of Lily, this is very unlikely to pass, even if you make it really good, as self condemnation is generally frowned upon

As far as I know, Oxes Republic is not affiliated with Lily in any way, though we have had a flood of visitors to our forums and Discord server of late. I believe they're more closely affiliated with the late The Grey Wolves GWS or The Cavalry, but I have no real proof of that.

I believe the author moved to Lily temporarily to do some “research”.
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Postby Fahran » Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:16 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:I believe the author moved to Lily temporarily to do some “research”.

That checks out. As far as I know, he isn't a citizen or permanent resident there, but I might bug Lili about checking just to be sure. Anyhow, on to the condemnation.
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Postby Feu de Glace » Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:26 pm

Fahran wrote:That checks out. As far as I know, he isn't a citizen or permanent resident there, but I might bug Lili about checking just to be sure. Anyhow, on to the condemnation.

I can verify that, unless a great masquerade has occurred, Oxes Republic is not a citizen, permanent resident or officer of Lily.
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Postby Muratpasa » Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:23 pm

The Oxes Republic has no affiliation with us. We however, admire his courage to face Lily.

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Postby BlackLight Covenant » Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:24 am

Perhaps I'd vote for this if it wasn't such a blend of little evidence, poor overall quality of writing, and just some extremely general stuff that could apply to any raider region on NS in the history of ever.

Perhaps, as I remain unconvinced that this is an honest attempt at condemning Lilly for their actions, and not just a condemnation attempt based on personal and/or regional rivalries. I don't intend to take part in rivalries that don't concern me at all.

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Postby Oxes Republic » Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:08 am

Ok so today I put in a few specific regions and wrote about many of their early raids. My message I’m trying to convey is that they are being a hinderance on the game by taking over so many regions, and one of the key elements of raiding being the supressing Of Regional culture once the region is raided. Could today’s draft get somewhere
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Postby Oxes Republic » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:36 pm

Is the new draft completely legal also. That is another concern of mine. If it is i need to know but I do not know the rules or how generous each secretariat is. That is also a concern about this bill i have. And Pius, i am not one of your officers, I was elected by the people. I didn’t just ask to use your region as safe haven, I am an elected official
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Postby Pius Desurongcrandis » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:44 pm

As the executive of Region Name I can verify Oxes Republic is a member of Region Name and is one of my officers.
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:17 pm

BELEIVING the raiding and destruction of regions lowers the amount of Regional World Assembly Delegates, which in turn decreases the amount of nations represented in the World Assembly, thereby weakening the power of the World Assembly

Thats weird logic. People don't leave the WA because of a Lily tag.
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Postby Fahran » Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:45 pm

Drop Your Pants wrote:That's weird logic. People don't leave the WA because of a Lily tag.

If anything, we encourage WA membership in founderless regions. :p

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Postby Oxes Republic » Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:45 pm

My argument is when Lily takes a Region, they then have to take the WA delegate by logic, thereby decreasing the amount of diverse ideas in the regional delegate which vote on bills, and since they usually move to larger regions, they have little to no chance of reaching power, thereby decreasing the amount of regional delegates a possible votes and bill proposers
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Postby Oxes Republic » Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:50 pm

Fahran wrote:
Drop Your Pants wrote:That's weird logic. People don't leave the WA because of a Lily tag.

If anything, we encourage WA membership in founderless regions. :p

Yes but they must endorse you. I will reword the bill because I meant regional delegate. Thanks for the clarification. Also, could you give general authoring recommendations and just not specific ones? Thank you!
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Postby Fahran » Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:56 pm

Oxes Republic wrote:Yes but they must endorse you. I will reword the bill because I meant regional delegate

I was actually joking that natives have to endorse their delegates to prevent raids. I could make a few recommendations to the resolution, but I think co-authoring my own region's condemnation would be both counter-intuitive and somewhat in bad faith.

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