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by Greater vakolicci haven » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:16 am
by Southern Republic of Dixie » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:56 am
LGBTQ+ Rights Anti-Ethno Supremacy Anti-Slavery Anti-Fascist Anti-Communist Pro-IndependenceMy Nation Facts.
by Christian Confederation » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:06 am
by Christian Confederation » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:07 am
Southern Republic of Dixie wrote:Blind commending antifa is just a disgrace.
It is obvious they have killed fascist regions but have also attacked conservative and left leaning people.
We must move to condemn this action.
Maybe a better written proposal would do it.
by Honeydewistania » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:11 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Sure, I'll bite, I'll tell you what parts of Antifa's dispatch I really don't like, and maybe you can let me know why this is good.
This is all coming from the first belief of thinking that raiding Nazi/fascist regions is a good thing to do, which I don't hold, but I'm going to attempt to illuminate the obvious inadiquacies of Antifa's judgemtnt.
- NationStates Antifa hunts both real world and role-play Nazi/Fascist nations/regions as its purpose is both serious and role-play based.
This, if you rped, would be absolutely fine. I'm sure quite a number of roleplay fascist nations would be happy to rp with you, some of them even live in mainstream rp regions. The fact you raid, rather than rp, is the difference here, rp fascists want to rp as fascists, they don't 'spread hate' or any such bollocks, they want to rp.
- Deny Nazis and Fascists a platform to spread hate, tyranny, intolerance and oppression on NationStates.
What if they're not spreading these things but simply existing in a community?
- Nazi / Fascist themed nations.
...what? Just what? I bet that at least one of the pacific regions will have a Nazi/fascist-themed nation in it. Hell, you work with the NPO, if 'francos spain' isn't a fascist-themed nation, what is?
- Content on the Regional Message Board, World Fact Book entry, Factbooks/Dispatches, Discord and Forums that attacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such as race, religion or non-religion, ethnic origin, national origin, sex, disability, sexual orientation, or gender identity.
Again, what? I've been attacked on the basis of disability before, in mainstream regions. Should I be letting y'all know so you can go raid them?
WFE, sure. If it's on the WFE it shouldn't be.
Forums/discord though? You place a lot of expectation into how much the (usually very small) admin teams of small and medium-sized regions can realisticly do if they have an active discord or forum. A few posts in a flood does not a fascist/Nazi region make.
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Greater vakolicci haven » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:24 am
Honeydewistania wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Sure, I'll bite, I'll tell you what parts of Antifa's dispatch I really don't like, and maybe you can let me know why this is good.
This is all coming from the first belief of thinking that raiding Nazi/fascist regions is a good thing to do, which I don't hold, but I'm going to attempt to illuminate the obvious inadiquacies of Antifa's judgemtnt.
- NationStates Antifa hunts both real world and role-play Nazi/Fascist nations/regions as its purpose is both serious and role-play based.
This, if you rped, would be absolutely fine. I'm sure quite a number of roleplay fascist nations would be happy to rp with you, some of them even live in mainstream rp regions. The fact you raid, rather than rp, is the difference here, rp fascists want to rp as fascists, they don't 'spread hate' or any such bollocks, they want to rp.
- Deny Nazis and Fascists a platform to spread hate, tyranny, intolerance and oppression on NationStates.
What if they're not spreading these things but simply existing in a community?
- Nazi / Fascist themed nations.
...what? Just what? I bet that at least one of the pacific regions will have a Nazi/fascist-themed nation in it. Hell, you work with the NPO, if 'francos spain' isn't a fascist-themed nation, what is?
- Content on the Regional Message Board, World Fact Book entry, Factbooks/Dispatches, Discord and Forums that attacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such as race, religion or non-religion, ethnic origin, national origin, sex, disability, sexual orientation, or gender identity.
Again, what? I've been attacked on the basis of disability before, in mainstream regions. Should I be letting y'all know so you can go raid them?
WFE, sure. If it's on the WFE it shouldn't be.
Forums/discord though? You place a lot of expectation into how much the (usually very small) admin teams of small and medium-sized regions can realisticly do if they have an active discord or forum. A few posts in a flood does not a fascist/Nazi region make.
These are good and make sense if you use that thing in your head that starts with a b and ends with an n. If you have any common sense, you'd know that these are applied accordingly. If a region is fascist, promotes fascism and wants people to be fascist and join their fascist region, they're trying to spread oppression. If there is a sizeable amount of fascist-themed nations, it is probably fascist. (note that I said probably. Use common sense and you can tell if its a puppet flood or not). Also, if it is encouraged, egged on or commended by others for attacking people for attributes, its probably fascist. Simple
by Wrapper » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:50 am
by Greater vakolicci haven » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:15 am
Wrapper wrote:Don’t use a “Failed” tag. That implies this went to vote and failed, which it did not. I’ve changed it back to SUBMITTED, but (1) if you are abandoning this idea then you can change it to ABANDONED, or (2) if you are planning to redraft then you can change it back to DRAFT.
by New Bremerton » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:22 am
by Memelandia Major » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:24 am
by The Gilded Star » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:55 pm
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Wrapper wrote:Don’t use a “Failed” tag. That implies this went to vote and failed, which it did not. I’ve changed it back to SUBMITTED, but (1) if you are abandoning this idea then you can change it to ABANDONED, or (2) if you are planning to redraft then you can change it back to DRAFT.
I thought there was a 'failed to reach quarum' tag
by Wrapper » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:51 pm
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Wrapper wrote:Don’t use a “Failed” tag. That implies this went to vote and failed, which it did not. I’ve changed it back to SUBMITTED, but (1) if you are abandoning this idea then you can change it to ABANDONED, or (2) if you are planning to redraft then you can change it back to DRAFT.
I thought there was a 'failed to reach quarum' tag
by Vippertooth33 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:48 pm
New Bremerton wrote:If NS Antifa wants to earn my respect, they should at least go after regions that espouse other extreme ideologies that pose a very real threat IRL, such as radical Islam, like many governments have done IRL. White supremacy is not the only fascist ideology in existence. The equally toxic ideology of Islamic supremacy radicalizes just as many people online and claims both Muslim and non-Muslim lives in the Muslim world and elsewhere, far more than white supremacists have managed to claim since 9/11, even after the Christchurch terror attacks perpetrated by he who shall not be named by order of NZ PM Ardern. And let's not forget those racist, genocidal Buddhist supremacists in Myanmar who have been [explicit verb redacted to avoid incurring mod wrath] Rohingya Muslim children, or those radical cow-worshipping Hindu supremacists in India who have been lynching Muslims on false pretenses of killing cows while the ruling BJP turns a blind eye.
NS Antifa should go after ALL fascist regions, not just some of them. They should leave no stone unturned and no minorities thrown under the bus by their negligence. Notice I haven't mentioned communism, which I don't consider fascist, and which hasn't posed a major RL threat since 1989. NS communists certainly don't pose an ideological threat in-game, although leftists can be really annoying at times both in-game and IRL.
I recently got into an argument with someone as to why NS Antifa only targets white supremacist regions. I don't live in a predominantly white, Western country. I live in a predominantly ethnic Malay, Muslim country. Thus, I don't see how fighting white supremacy in an online game benefits me personally since there are very few white people around me besides tourists and expats. On the other hand, fighting Islamic supremacy is something I can truly get behind because far-right, racist, ethnic Malay, Muslim supremacists are all around me, literally ran the country for over 60 years and continue to exert undue influence at the expense of my sanity and mental health.
If NS Antifa pledges to include Muslim extremist regions in their ideological crusade against fascism, they'll have my everlasting gratitude and respect, which would likely result in me voting for Commend Antifa regardless of the proposal's content. Until then and due to earlier misfires against non-fascist regions which I've addressed in another thread, AGAINST.
by New Bremerton » Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:24 am
Vippertooth33 wrote:New Bremerton wrote:If NS Antifa wants to earn my respect, they should at least go after regions that espouse other extreme ideologies that pose a very real threat IRL, such as radical Islam, like many governments have done IRL. White supremacy is not the only fascist ideology in existence. The equally toxic ideology of Islamic supremacy radicalizes just as many people online and claims both Muslim and non-Muslim lives in the Muslim world and elsewhere, far more than white supremacists have managed to claim since 9/11, even after the Christchurch terror attacks perpetrated by he who shall not be named by order of NZ PM Ardern. And let's not forget those racist, genocidal Buddhist supremacists in Myanmar who have been [explicit verb redacted to avoid incurring mod wrath] Rohingya Muslim children, or those radical cow-worshipping Hindu supremacists in India who have been lynching Muslims on false pretenses of killing cows while the ruling BJP turns a blind eye.
NS Antifa should go after ALL fascist regions, not just some of them. They should leave no stone unturned and no minorities thrown under the bus by their negligence. Notice I haven't mentioned communism, which I don't consider fascist, and which hasn't posed a major RL threat since 1989. NS communists certainly don't pose an ideological threat in-game, although leftists can be really annoying at times both in-game and IRL.
I recently got into an argument with someone as to why NS Antifa only targets white supremacist regions. I don't live in a predominantly white, Western country. I live in a predominantly ethnic Malay, Muslim country. Thus, I don't see how fighting white supremacy in an online game benefits me personally since there are very few white people around me besides tourists and expats. On the other hand, fighting Islamic supremacy is something I can truly get behind because far-right, racist, ethnic Malay, Muslim supremacists are all around me, literally ran the country for over 60 years and continue to exert undue influence at the expense of my sanity and mental health.
If NS Antifa pledges to include Muslim extremist regions in their ideological crusade against fascism, they'll have my everlasting gratitude and respect, which would likely result in me voting for Commend Antifa regardless of the proposal's content. Until then and due to earlier misfires against non-fascist regions which I've addressed in another thread, AGAINST.
You should probably do some research.
Related regions that The MT Army have tackled, let alone groups of Antifa regions (e.g. https://www.nationstates.net/region=isl ... _and_syria) includes:
- https://www.nationstates.net/region=the ... _caliphate
- https://www.nationstates.net/region=the_islamic_jihad
- https://www.nationstates.net/region=isl ... and_levant
- https://www.nationstates.net/region=islamic_jihad
- https://www.nationstates.net/region=the ... and_levant
- https://www.nationstates.net/region=al_qaeda
There are probably more but i think the point has been made.
by Courelli » Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:10 pm
New Bremerton wrote:A word of advice: You could try clarifying your mission statement to let people know that radical Islamists and other non-white supremacist fascists are also on your radar.
Anaaxes wrote:imagine explaining to an alien child the concept of a birthday party fully hosted by Chuck E. Cheese himself, they would be mortified of our rituals
by Christian Confederation » Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:23 pm
by American Pere Housh » Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:57 am
by Honeydewistania » Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:28 am
American Pere Housh wrote:"Nothing but a bunch of terrorists. I will not support this proposal as it is an abomination."
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
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