[DRAFT] Condemn The Communist Bloc

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

One of the core principles of Communism is no religion. Also most of the nations in the Communist Bloc are very secularist. Just because it's in their constitution doesn't mean it's true.

You sure about that?

In any case, Article 1, Section 4 of their constitution explicitly protects freedom of religion.

(4) All citizens have the right to equal protection of the law without prejudice or discrimination; in particular, no law or citizen may discriminate against another citizen on the basis of race, gender, national or ethnic origin, skin color, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, mental or physical disability, or age.

You bet we do. It's even within our constitutional convention as we draft a new one following the reconsolidation of our region. Discrimination of any kind against a lawful citizen is prohibited within TCB, even those who partake in religious worship. Only restrictions placed are on organized religion such as hierarchical clergy and "traditional conservative Abrahamic norms" being prohibited from influencing government policy or societal direction, but other than that, if you aren't a literal Commander outta Gilead, you are in the clear. Heck, we even endorse Liberation Theology and the Social Gospel as part of our ideas within that region, so it's not like we are complete Juche-esque Maoist priesthaters.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Oh great, another poorly written, poorly researched piece of ....... I could chew paper and ink and puke a better resolution than this.

If you’re going to do a job, do it properly. Do some research. Then write the proposal clearly, no spelling mistakes or grammatical outrages or rules violations. Then submit and watch it sink without trace.

[Isvataan]

Would suggest to extend the draft with more info. Granted I don't like commies or jerries, but at least make it reasonable when condemning the baddies. Personally, roleplayers of different points of view shouldn't be the issue but rather raiding in general is annoying

[BrightBayUniversity]

It is not true that The Communist Bloc restricts religion.

[New Bremerton]

We've been here before, only this time, the distinction between RP and GP is much clearer to me now. TCB is an anarcho-communist region, meaning they are more anarchist than communist, although I'll admit I only read the intro. In RP terms, they pose no threat. In GP terms, if the OP or anyone else can provide me with hard evidence that TCB engages in unjustified raids or attempted raids of non-fascist regions and gloats about their victories while threatening to raid any non-fascists who oppose or criticize what they do, I will vote for, no matter how badly written this proposal may be or who the author is. Until then, AGAINST.

[Cedoria]

Nope, nope nope and again, nope.

Not without actual, legitimate evidence of any sort of condemn worthy wrongdoing on TCB's part. Nope.

[Cedoria]

Yeahhhh, no. Just no. This badly written and obviously unfinished "resolution" won't even pass quorum, let alone convince enough delegates such as Kuriko or Imperium Anglorum for it to be enacted into law, and even if it did, it will be merely symbolic and won't do much to overthrow TCB (Like the FCN and NPO wishes for years), for our delegate has more than enough endorsements to withstand any raid attempts.

And we aren't talking about this resolution's vague mentioning of "denying a citizen's right to practice religion", no further specification of why exactly our region deserves condemning beyond religious restrictions, and simple formatting errors (Seriously, you would think a prestigious world organization such as the WA would be extra dilligent in making sure their resolutions are as clear and detailed as possible). In other words, a perennial failure, like the previous one direced at Antifa.

I'd seriously like to see you do better.

Zakar would do better, because they'd actually write it per proposal guidelines and direct it against a target that had actually done anything condemn-worthy. Ergo, everything you have not done.

Seriously, you are not helping yourself here, at all.

[New Bremerton]

https://www.nationstates.net/region=northern_redlands

TCB is listed among those who participated in the raid of TNR, an obviously non-fascist region. Just realized the original RMB is still intact despite being raided. Non-fascist RPers were really upset that their region was destroyed. RMB looks totally harmless. As with the Condemn Antifa thread, and given that this is merely a condemnation and not a liberation attempt, changing my vote to FOR, despite the crappy proposal. I supported Antifa and NSLeft before this happened. Eradicating fascism is a good thing.

[Democratic Deutschland]

Support, but needs more "meat" to the resolution.

[Cedoria]

https://www.nationstates.net/region=northern_redlands

TCB is listed among those who participated in the raid of TNR, an obviously non-fascist region. Just realized the original RMB is still intact despite being raided. Non-fascist RPers were really upset that their region was destroyed. RMB looks totally harmless. As with the Condemn Antifa thread, and given that this is merely a condemnation and not a liberation attempt, changing my vote to FOR, despite the crappy proposal. I supported Antifa and NSLeft before this happened. Eradicating fascism is a good thing.

Agreed, hence I would question why you would consider such an obviously crappy resolution worthy of your time.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

Obviously opposed, doesn't really deserve a condemnation

Although, ideological fights are commonplace here, not sure why the Left throws a fit over it every single time.

https://www.nationstates.net/region=northern_redlands

TCB is listed among those who participated in the raid of TNR, an obviously non-fascist region. Just realized the original RMB is still intact despite being raided. Non-fascist RPers were really upset that their region was destroyed. RMB looks totally harmless. As with the Condemn Antifa thread, and given that this is merely a condemnation and not a liberation attempt, changing my vote to FOR, despite the crappy proposal. I supported Antifa and NSLeft before this happened. Eradicating fascism is a good thing.

TCB never claimed to only raid fascist regions, nor has anyone ever assumed such (or at least I have been.) Not sure why you are surprised.

[New Bremerton]

https://www.nationstates.net/region=northern_redlands

TCB is listed among those who participated in the raid of TNR, an obviously non-fascist region. Just realized the original RMB is still intact despite being raided. Non-fascist RPers were really upset that their region was destroyed. RMB looks totally harmless. As with the Condemn Antifa thread, and given that this is merely a condemnation and not a liberation attempt, changing my vote to FOR, despite the crappy proposal. I supported Antifa and NSLeft before this happened. Eradicating fascism is a good thing.

Agreed, hence I would question why you would consider such an obviously crappy resolution worthy of your time.

When it comes to harmless and purely symbolic commendations and condemnations, I don't care how badly written a proposal may be as long as it's legal. I care about whether a commendation/condemnation would be justified per se, regardless of whether evidence and proper grammar and punctuation are included within the proposal itself. I could also care less if the proposal is RP or GP-based. C&Cs are simply there to gauge public opinion.

When it comes to liberations, I would set the bar much higher. Crappy lib proposals are worthy of an abstention at most.

TCB never claimed to only raid fascist regions, nor has anyone ever assumed such (or at least I have been.) Not sure why you are surprised.

What other kinds of regions has TCB raided? I'm genuinely curious.

[Qwabour Harbour]

Agreed, hence I would question why you would consider such an obviously crappy resolution worthy of your time.

When it comes to harmless and purely symbolic commendations and condemnations, I don't care how badly written a proposal may be as long as it's legal. I care about whether a commendation/condemnation would be justified per se, regardless of whether evidence and proper grammar and punctuation are included within the proposal itself. I could also care less if the proposal is RP or GP-based. C&Cs are simply there to gauge public opinion.

When it comes to liberations, I would set the bar much higher. Crappy lib proposals are worthy of an abstention at most.

TCB never claimed to only raid fascist regions, nor has anyone ever assumed such (or at least I have been.) Not sure why you are surprised.

What other kinds of regions has TCB raided? I'm genuinely curious.

They did tags a while back.

Also, even if TCB was a participant in the destruction of Northern Redlands (warranted), this resolution is not about that , its about condemning them because they do not allow religion which is false. Even then, Northern Redlands was only one raid and much more regions more deserving of a R/D condemn should be recognised.

[Zetastan]

Another preposterous resolution against TCB? Again?

What number is it, the ninth? The tenth?

[Hijlistan Arg]

Gee I wonder why someone with a Reichsadler flag wants to condemn the Communist Bloc

[Nyasantara]

A member of a Nazi region wants to condemn a Communist region for purely political reasons that barely make sense.

Obviously we are opposed.

[Anarchic Turkish States]

https://www.nationstates.net/region=northern_redlands

TCB is listed among those who participated in the raid of TNR, an obviously non-fascist region. Just realized the original RMB is still intact despite being raided. Non-fascist RPers were really upset that their region was destroyed. RMB looks totally harmless. As with the Condemn Antifa thread, and given that this is merely a condemnation and not a liberation attempt, changing my vote to FOR, despite the crappy proposal. I supported Antifa and NSLeft before this happened. Eradicating fascism is a good thing.

Just so you know, NSLeft and Antifa are not the same.

And if you are so "anti-fascist" (cought) what are you going to do about it? Sit on your arse and wait for Liberate Nazi Europa 50: Electric Boogaloo which tells the fascists "Stop being fascist or get raided". They aren't going to stop until they get raided. (ironically by Antifa themself). People like you oppose direct action, but then are you taking a stand against horrible ideology? NO.

[Gagium]

I'm for the idea, but there's plenty of other reasons you could list rather than simply because they're the largest communist region, or throwing unproven statements that they deny their citizens the right to practice religion. Note sure how I'd vote on this proposal as it is if it got to vote, however

[New Bremerton]

https://www.nationstates.net/region=northern_redlands

TCB is listed among those who participated in the raid of TNR, an obviously non-fascist region. Just realized the original RMB is still intact despite being raided. Non-fascist RPers were really upset that their region was destroyed. RMB looks totally harmless. As with the Condemn Antifa thread, and given that this is merely a condemnation and not a liberation attempt, changing my vote to FOR, despite the crappy proposal. I supported Antifa and NSLeft before this happened. Eradicating fascism is a good thing.

Just so you know, NSLeft and Antifa are not the same.

And if you are so "anti-fascist" (cought) what are you going to do about it? Sit on your arse and wait for Liberate Nazi Europa 50: Electric Boogaloo which tells the fascists "Stop being fascist or get raided". They aren't going to stop until they get raided. (ironically by Antifa themself). People like you oppose direct action, but then are you taking a stand against horrible ideology? NO.

Firstly, I'm a casual player who has other games to focus on at the same time. Doesn't mean I'm not entitled to an opinion. C&Cs are just that. Gauges of public opinion. They are entirely harmless and symbolic in practice. TCB and NS Antifa will likely embrace their badges anyway.

Secondly, nice strawman. I'm not one of these anti-interventionist libertarians who oppose any and all offensive raids and liberations no matter what the reason. I don't oppose direct action, at least not on NationStates where actual physical violence doesn't occur. There are legit fascist regions such as Nazi Europa and Farkasfalka that do deserve to be raided, whether by NS Antifa or someone else. My problem is when anti-fascist raiders screw up and raid non-fascist regions. That is deserving of censure, and a harmless condemnation is not going to stop NS Antifa, TCB et al from raiding the CCD, NE and Farkasfalka if they get the chance, and I certainly wouldn't hold it against them if that happened.

[Qwabour Harbour]

Just so you know, NSLeft and Antifa are not the same.

And if you are so "anti-fascist" (cought) what are you going to do about it? Sit on your arse and wait for Liberate Nazi Europa 50: Electric Boogaloo which tells the fascists "Stop being fascist or get raided". They aren't going to stop until they get raided. (ironically by Antifa themself). People like you oppose direct action, but then are you taking a stand against horrible ideology? NO.

Firstly, I'm a casual player who has other games to focus on at the same time. Doesn't mean I'm not entitled to an opinion. C&Cs are just that. Gauges of public opinion. They are entirely harmless and symbolic in practice. TCB and NS Antifa will likely embrace their badges anyway.

Secondly, nice strawman. I'm not one of these anti-interventionist libertarians who oppose any and all offensive raids and liberations no matter what the reason. I don't oppose direct action, at least not on NationStates where actual physical violence doesn't occur. There are legit fascist regions such as Nazi Europa and Farkasfalka that do deserve to be raided, whether by NS Antifa or someone else. My problem is when anti-fascist raiders screw up and raid non-fascist regions. That is deserving of censure, and a harmless condemnation is not going to stop NS Antifa, TCB et al from raiding the CCD, NE and Farkasfalka if they get the chance, and I certainly wouldn't hold it against them if that happened.

Actually, condemnations are pretty much delegitimising Antifa. By saying its a corrupt organisation makes less people inclined to help destroy fascism, therefore fascists can continue overruning the place.

[Caracasus]

Why is it all these condemn/liberate The Communist Bloc proposals are always so badly written and full of easily disproven lies?

I mean, at least put some effort in. This is just lazy.

[New Bremerton]

Firstly, I'm a casual player who has other games to focus on at the same time. Doesn't mean I'm not entitled to an opinion. C&Cs are just that. Gauges of public opinion. They are entirely harmless and symbolic in practice. TCB and NS Antifa will likely embrace their badges anyway.

Secondly, nice strawman. I'm not one of these anti-interventionist libertarians who oppose any and all offensive raids and liberations no matter what the reason. I don't oppose direct action, at least not on NationStates where actual physical violence doesn't occur. There are legit fascist regions such as Nazi Europa and Farkasfalka that do deserve to be raided, whether by NS Antifa or someone else. My problem is when anti-fascist raiders screw up and raid non-fascist regions. That is deserving of censure, and a harmless condemnation is not going to stop NS Antifa, TCB et al from raiding the CCD, NE and Farkasfalka if they get the chance, and I certainly wouldn't hold it against them if that happened.

Actually, condemnations are pretty much delegitimising Antifa. By saying its a corrupt organisation makes less people inclined to help destroy fascism, therefore fascists can continue overruning the place.

Not saying they're corrupt in any way. Just saying they screwed up and need to be held accountable. If NS Antifa continues to raid actual fascist regions, I won't shed a tear, especially if said regions make no attempt to pass themselves off as RP. To hell with the lot of them. But no region, no matter how righteous they claim to be, is perfect, and no region is immune to criticism. As for TCB, given that they are not a raider region per se, I think I would give them a little more leeway i.e. by not voting to condemn them more than once, and by opposing and decrying any attempt to raid or liberate them.

[Grug Island]

Communism good dumb dumb

[The Black Party]

Condemn CCD but don't condemn the Neo-Commies

[Umpus]

More information should be added to this proposal, but this is something I would support.

Agreed.