[DEFEATED] Condemn Antifa

[Christian Confederation]

I think the resolution is due to antifa being agressive to regions for embassys they call facist.

They literally just go after regions that are obviously far-right. All the ‘Nazi’ and ‘Fascist’ labeled regions keep on getting raided. There’s no good place for them to hide. Irl, I’m against antifa, but the nationstates antifa has done more good than bad. Unlike the real life ones, they effectively stop far-right views from spreading while not harming anyone.

Try telling that to the federated states of conservative nations, we were threatened because of our embassys.

[Christian Confederation]

You may also want to check the empire of light there last victim, there doing the usual name calling and silence there opposition.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

>The region "_federated_states_of_conservative_nations" does not exist.
>The region "empire_of_light" does not exist.

[Jasonvillee]

both the left and right have done bad, and we need to work on not condemning each other or figthing each toerh out of pure hatred, but to try to calm down and make peace. Cause the people in the middle are going to be stomped on.

I mean R/D is fun, but not when its only for hate

Roleplaying wars and International Incidents is fun, but not when its only for hate

Lets have fun here and try to forgive each other

[Christian Confederation]

>The region "_federated_states_of_conservative_nations" does not exist.
>The region "empire_of_light" does not exist.

Typo
https://www.nationstates.net/page=displ ... _of_lights

https://www.nationstates.net/region=fed ... ve_nations

[North Saitama]

SUPPORT, because I fear for the future of free speech on this site.

Ah, so to save free speech you'll be running to mommy to stop the naughty people from saying rude things?

Too many here pretend to care about free speech when it has to do with expressing bigoted world views, only to become utter hypocrisy when someone with conflicting opinions is the tiniest bit too loud for their liking.

Antifa does more than just "say naughty things", or they wouldn't be up for condemnation. Raiding a region, without giving it back, steals the region and its ability to govern itself from the natives of said region. While military regions have it coming, and deserve it when they are raiders, themselves, other regions are just being bullied.

Even if you kicked-over someone's sand castle at the beach, is that you "exercising your freedom of speech"? No, because you physically offended someone's thing, no matter how trite and meaningless. The action and physical consequences make the difference.


Another problem I have with regions like MT Army and Antifa is that they take it upon themselves to be judge, jury, and executioner, enforcing their own agenda as if it were law, no matter how many regions they stamp-out with their jackboots. Regardless of who the target is, do you think this is fair or just, to basically force their point of view upon independent regions?

[Kavagrad]

Who is trying to stop you from speaking? When have NS Antifa ever tried to stop you, or anyone, from speaking? All the fascists who’s regions have been invaded, can still speak, can they not?

Nazis still bitter that NS is a community that isn’t willing to put up with their toxic shit.

I think the resolution is due to antifa being agressive to regions for embassys they call facist.

Evidence of Antifa attacking non-fascist regions, please. OP certainly couldn't come up with any. I'd wager than no such evidence exists, and it's the same right-wing crying from triggered ideologues that don't know the difference between NS Antifa and IRL Antifa.

>The region "_federated_states_of_conservative_nations" does not exist.
>The region "empire_of_light" does not exist.

Typo
https://www.nationstates.net/page=displ ... _of_lights

https://www.nationstates.net/region=fed ... ve_nations

Ah, a region which is aligned with the fascist region Farkasfalka and another region that has declared a unilateral war on Antifa, was supposedly threatened (evidence not given), and a completely inactive region that had been occupied by Farkasfalka was taken out of their hands.

Spooky Scary Antifa

[Furry Things]

Spooky Scary Antifa

Jinkies, it's a g-g-g-g-g-Antifa.

[North Saitama]

1. Evidence of Antifa attacking non-fascist regions, please. OP certainly couldn't come up with any. I'd wager than no such evidence exists, and it's the same right-wing crying from triggered ideologues that don't know the difference between NS Antifa and IRL Antifa.

2. Ah, a region which is aligned with the fascist region Farkasfalka and another region that has declared a unilateral war on Antifa, was supposedly threatened (evidence not given), and a completely inactive region that had been occupied by Farkasfalka was taken out of their hands.

Spooky Scary Antifa

1. Who gives a damn what a region thinks? Since when is it our job to enforce what opinion is acceptable and what is not? Raiding and destroying ANY region, regardless of ideology is, in my opinion, abhorrent (and, as I explained, does not constitute merely "exercising free speech", as action is involved). Unless they are actually engaged in military gameplay, it just amounts to bullying, because you don't like their opinion.

2. Proving the point, honestly. I can clearly see the argument on Empire of Light's RMB objecting to this, exactly, along with clearly showing Antifa being judge, jury, and executioner.

[Rat Piss]

They literally just go after regions that are obviously far-right. All the ‘Nazi’ and ‘Fascist’ labeled regions keep on getting raided. There’s no good place for them to hide. Irl, I’m against antifa, but the nationstates antifa has done more good than bad. Unlike the real life ones, they effectively stop far-right views from spreading while not harming anyone.

Try telling that to the federated states of conservative nations, we were threatened because of our embassys.

Oh? I'm curious, whic embassies exactly? Would you mind letting us all take a look?

[Rat Piss]

Ah, so to save free speech you'll be running to mommy to stop the naughty people from saying rude things?

Too many here pretend to care about free speech when it has to do with expressing bigoted world views, only to become utter hypocrisy when someone with conflicting opinions is the tiniest bit too loud for their liking.

Antifa does more than just "say naughty things", or they wouldn't be up for condemnation. Raiding a region, without giving it back, steals the region and its ability to govern itself from the natives of said region. While military regions have it coming, and deserve it when they are raiders, themselves, other regions are just being bullied.

Even if you kicked-over someone's sand castle at the beach, is that you "exercising your freedom of speech"? No, because you physically offended someone's thing, no matter how trite and meaningless. The action and physical consequences make the difference.


Another problem I have with regions like MT Army and Antifa is that they take it upon themselves to be judge, jury, and executioner, enforcing their own agenda as if it were law, no matter how many regions they stamp-out with their jackboots. Regardless of who the target is, do you think this is fair or just, to basically force their point of view upon independent regions?

You make it soooo simple to divide big scary physical actions from totally innocent harmless ~expression~, but certainly its less troubling to any sane human being to have their sand castle kicked over, then to find themselves on a beach adorned with swastikas.

I don't mind someone taking out the trash now and again. Freedom of speech is not and never has been total freedom from consequences.

[The Gilded Star]

This proposal feels dreadfully bare-boned, vague, and generic. I think it needs a lot more objective substance before being worthy of WA consideration.

[Cekoviu]

The delegation from Cekoviu would like to explain its reasons for the opposition of this resolution:
1) It has glaring grammatical and orthographic errors: "HEREBY, condemn Antifa." and "Alt-left/Alt-right" sentence-medially.
2) The resolution utilizes the ill-defined and possibly inaccurate "alt-left", which has not gained significant acceptance as a term -- derogatory or otherwise -- to describe anarcho-communist ideologies like that of Antifa.
3) The resolution has not adequately demonstrated that its premises are correct.
We do note that this does not imply we would be unwilling to condemn Antifa; we merely oppose this resolution.

[Elyreia]

All that matters in a proposal is it's contents; this one has no contents, no evidence, no proof, no examples. It's all fine and dandy that they are being provided (strong or weak) here in this discussion, but they are not present in the current proposal. As such, we must vote against the proposal at this time.

[American Pere Housh]

Yes i support this as Antifa is a bunch of violet hypocrites saying they are supporters of free speech when they try supressing the free speech of people that disagree with them

[Schekel]

I'm still shocked a superficial and hastily constructed draft would be considered by anyone.

[Christian Confederation]

I think the resolution is due to antifa being agressive to regions for embassys they call facist.

Evidence of Antifa attacking non-fascist regions, please. OP certainly couldn't come up with any. I'd wager than no such evidence exists, and it's the same right-wing crying from triggered ideologues that don't know the difference between NS Antifa and IRL Antifa.

Typo
https://www.nationstates.net/page=displ ... _of_lights

https://www.nationstates.net/region=fed ... ve_nations

Ah, a region which is aligned with the fascist region Farkasfalka and another region that has declared a unilateral war on Antifa, was supposedly threatened (evidence not given), and a completely inactive region that had been occupied by Farkasfalka was taken out of their hands.

Spooky Scary Antifa

Evedince.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb_s ... ve+Nations

[Grug Island]

Yes i support this as Antifa is a bunch of violet hypocrites saying they are supporters of free speech when they try supressing the free speech of people that disagree with them

Grug going to tread on you

[Oceanian Empire]

free speech is being violated by these scurbs



#SaveFreeSpeech

[Kolm]

http://prntscr.com/mnhs4y

I believe this is the motive behind this horrid condemnation. Autvia is the founder of The Union of Imperials and Palsada is the WA Delegate of Roman Byzantine Union. This type of behavior is not tolerated on GenSec. Against.

[United Confederate States]

You are all propping up a terrorist regime that murders fascist regions that are innocent and did no wrong

#CondemnAntifa
#SaveFascistRegions

[Christian Confederation]

http://prntscr.com/mnhs4y

I believe this is the motive behind this horrid condemnation. Autvia is the founder of The Union of Imperials and Palsada is the WA Delegate of Roman Byzantine Union. This type of behavior is not tolerated on GenSec. Against.

You are all propping up a terrorist regime that murders fascist regions that are innocent and did no wrong

#CondemnAntifa
#SaveFascistRegions

1. We have been at odds with antifa for years and 2. No affiliation.

[Meht-naskhti]

free speech is being violated by these scurbs
#SaveFreeSpeech

Yes i support this as Antifa is a bunch of violet
hypocrites saying they are supporters of free speech
when they try supressing the free speech of people that disagree with them

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Just a reminder: the censuring of speech deemed bigoted, outdated, hateful, and vehement by groups of people/a nation does not equate censorship of free speech.

Censure =/= Censor

This condemnation is mediocre at best.
I'm truly surprised anyone can proudly support this considering how weak it is written, how reactionary and untrustworthy it appears, and how tired it makes supporter's own politics seem.

[North Saitama]

Antifa does more than just "say naughty things", or they wouldn't be up for condemnation. Raiding a region, without giving it back, steals the region and its ability to govern itself from the natives of said region. While military regions have it coming, and deserve it when they are raiders, themselves, other regions are just being bullied.

Even if you kicked-over someone's sand castle at the beach, is that you "exercising your freedom of speech"? No, because you physically offended someone's thing, no matter how trite and meaningless. The action and physical consequences make the difference.


Another problem I have with regions like MT Army and Antifa is that they take it upon themselves to be judge, jury, and executioner, enforcing their own agenda as if it were law, no matter how many regions they stamp-out with their jackboots. Regardless of who the target is, do you think this is fair or just, to basically force their point of view upon independent regions?

1. You make it soooo simple to divide big scary physical actions from totally innocent harmless ~expression~, but certainly its less troubling to any sane human being to have their sand castle kicked over, then to find themselves on a beach adorned with swastikas.

I don't mind someone taking out the trash now and again. Freedom of speech is not and never has been total freedom from consequences.

1. Yes, it is that simple; doing something, anything, is disproportionate, as mere advocacy is, on its own, physically harmless and abstract, while actions are concrete and have a physical effect. Kicking-over a fascist's sand castle is, therefore, unjust, as you retaliated against their abhorrent-but-abstract ideas with concrete physical action.

2. It doesn't mean, however, that physical action is acceptable or just. Refusing to hire a neo-Nazi is different from punching a neo-Nazi; in the former case, it is refusing to interact with him (non-action), while, in the latter case, it is physically harming him (action).

In case the message isn't clear, the point is that the words don't matter; saying "exterminate <insert group>", on its own, physically harms exactly zero members of said group. Until the threshold of action is passed, there is no justification for doing harm.

[Christian Confederation]

free speech is being violated by these scurbs
#SaveFreeSpeech

Yes i support this as Antifa is a bunch of violet
hypocrites saying they are supporters of free speech
when they try supressing the free speech of people that disagree with them

---

Just a reminder: the censuring of speech deemed bigoted, outdated, hateful, and vehement by groups of people/a nation does not equate censorship of free speech.

Censure =/= Censor

This condemnation is mediocre at best.
I'm truly surprised anyone can proudly support this considering how weak it is written, how reactionary and untrustworthy it appears, and how tired it makes supporter's own politics seem.

By bigoted and out dated you mean not PC?

Am I outdated if I agree with these songs?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pc4EJMe8IM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3cQNkIrg-Tk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1vrEljMfXYo
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ur07OFbHs9c
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uPNnsi2dJIQ


How my hole experience with the NS left fells like.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u88EIoUkKQ0