[SUBMIT] Repeal: Liberate Confederation of Corrupt Dictators

[Heraswed]

Ok I've changed out the theatrics for legality.

Edit: Can I get a reason?

Nazi's, do i need to say more?

Yeah since the region is not Nazi.

[Blood Wine]

Given that, in the original resolution, (the target of this draft) the assertion is that the CCD is fascist, the burden of proof is to prove that the CCD is fascist, not for me to prove it isn't. Similarly this burden lies with many on this thread.

No, in this case the burden of proof is upon you, as you are attempting to disprove already established facts of the resolution

[Heraswed]

Given that, in the original resolution, (the target of this draft) the assertion is that the CCD is fascist, the burden of proof is to prove that the CCD is fascist, not for me to prove it isn't. Similarly this burden lies with many on this thread.

No, in this case the burden of proof is upon you, as you are attempting to disprove already established facts of the resolution

In this case, you are setting an impossible standard, to prove a negative is nigh impossible. Besides, what is to say that the resolution is truthful. Finally, I've already mentioned that, of the three tenets of Fascism (as defined by Benito Mussolini) the only tenet the CCD aligns with is authoritarian government, that's it.

[Caracasus]

No, in this case the burden of proof is upon you, as you are attempting to disprove already established facts of the resolution

In this case, you are setting an impossible standard, to prove a negative is nigh impossible. Besides, what is to say that the resolution is truthful. Finally, I've already mentioned that, of the three tenets of Fascism (as defined by Benito Mussolini) the only tenet the CCD aligns with is authoritarian government, that's it.

If thr CoCD had taken on board the suggestions made regarding disclaimers and closing embassies with fascist regions it would have gone a long way to proving they were not fascists.

Of course, Shrewllamaland vetoed that. If anything, they now look even more like fascists. This would have had a better shot a few weeks ago, before the moderation thread.

[Blood Wine]

Let me just preview whats gonna happen after you submit it: its going to reach quarum because mister "I'm not a nazi" will spend his lunch money on stamps
Then when voting begins it will be slapped down because "fuck nazi's" is the one thing most people will agree on

So save your anonymous benefactor some money and everyone's time and give up

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

It is puzzling to me that people claim the CCD is not fascist. In the WFE itself, it states that you can find fascism here.

Because that's the fallacy of composition, just because something is true of one of its parts, does not mean that it is true of the whole.

Well you know the old saying - if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks, then it’s a high probability that you’re dealing with a member of the Anatidae family.

[Kaboomlandia]

A resolution that never should have been passed in the first place. I'm on board.

[Heraswed]

Let me just preview whats gonna happen after you submit it: its going to reach quarum because mister "I'm not a nazi" will spend his lunch money on stamps
Then when voting begins it will be slapped down because "fuck nazi's" is the one thing most people will agree on

So save your anonymous benefactor some money and everyone's time and give up

I don't know why you've mentioned that '"fuck nazi's" is the one thing most people will agree on' because, as said before the CCD is not Nazi. And I have no 'anonymous benefactor', I'm doing what I see to be just and right.

[Lord Dominator]

At best they're only welcoming fascists (and by extension nazis) into their region by via the rather blatant welcoming on the WFE.
Having embassies with multiple fascist & nazi regions that more assuredly not rping doesn't exactly help their case either.

[Blood Wine]

Let me just preview whats gonna happen after you submit it: its going to reach quarum because mister "I'm not a nazi" will spend his lunch money on stamps
Then when voting begins it will be slapped down because "fuck nazi's" is the one thing most people will agree on

So save your anonymous benefactor some money and everyone's time and give up

I don't know why you've mentioned that '"fuck nazi's" is the one thing most people will agree on' because, as said before the CCD is not Nazi. And I have no 'anonymous benefactor', I'm doing what I see to be just and right.

Ah yes, lets disregard their embassy with a region literally called nazi europa - thats totally not a show of support, no siry

[Caracasus]

At best they're only welcoming fascists (and by extension nazis) into their region by via the rather blatant welcoming on the WFE.
Having embassies with multiple fascist & nazi regions that more assuredly not rping doesn't exactly help their case either.

The leaders of CoCD opened thread asking for people to stop calling them nazis because they were just pretending to be fascists. Everyone more or less had the same advice regarding closing embassies with actual fascist regions. Then the one in charge of CoCD put their foot down and refused to do that.

I think 'at best' might be very generous here.

[Heraswed]

Okay, I'm going to give up on this whole fascist back-and-forth, since it's clear that we're not going anywhere fast. Can we return to the focus of this thread?

[Lord Dominator]

Okay, I'm going to give up on this whole fascist back-and-forth, since it's clear that we're not going anywhere fast. Can we return to the focus of this thread?

You're the one who wrote it in your draft amigo.

The Security Council,
Noting the political diversity of the World Assembly,
Understanding that many nations are opposed to the existence of a region devoted to dictatorship,
Further noting the wide range of political ideologies within the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators including but not limited to:

Communism,
Centrism,
Conservatism,
Fascism,
Despotic Socialism,

Asserting that it is not the place of the World Assembly to dictate the propriety of a political ideology to emerging nations, as recognised in SC#38,

Sure it is, and we've done it before.

Noting with confusion that the language of SC#263 is not that of a liberation but that of a condemnation and,

Liberations merely require a clause and justification, writing it like a Condemnation was intentional

Confused that this resolution was not submitted as such.

Condemnation has no mechanical effect

Therefore doubting the sincerity of SC#263,

Acknowledging the definition of a liberation resolution as a resolution to ‘strike down delegate-imposed barriers to free entry to a region’,
Noting with concern that the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators neither had a password nor was it at risk of password-protection,

This is not a normal liberation, complaints that it isn't are rather moot

Recognising that the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators did, and still does, possess an executive founder,
Further recognising that this fact was acknowledged within SC#263,
Believing that the aforementioned states of affairs render SC#263 pointless,

For now

Any suggestions are appreciated.

I assume that saying this draft is a silly idea that won't pass doesn't count?

[Blood Wine]

Okay, I'm going to give up on this whole fascist back-and-forth, since it's clear that we're not going anywhere fast. Can we return to the focus of this thread?

The focus on the thread is their fascist/nazi ties, the chief reason for the liberation is the ties

[LiberNovusAmericae]

It's a nice resolution, but don't even bother to submit. NS-Left won't let it pass.

[Lord Dominator]

It's a nice resolution, but don't even bother to submit. NS-Left won't let it pass.

Your definition of the NS-Left is evidently far more encompassing than the usual one

[Aclion]

Is Jocospor done with his tantrum then?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Very recently Jocospur opened a thread in moderation regarding their region being called nazis and fascistd. They were given some advice as to how to avoid that. Cheifly to close embassies with fascist regions and provide better disclaimers regarding their actual stance on fascism. As far as I am aware they haven't. While Jocospur seemed willing to work with others, unfortunately Shrewlama vetoed the idea. Apart from an insight into who actually runs CoCD, the discussion was fruitless.

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As far as I am concerned I am very much against this. If anything the very venement rejection of perfectly reasonable solutions made in good faith kind of leads me to believe that there is a pretty strong fascist contingent in CoCD.

I've been trying to get them to close embassies with fascist regions. I don't think they are fascists, from what I have seen, but I'll give it to you that they don't help themselves with who they associate with.

[Lord Dominator]

My general problem has primarily been that they are more-or-less actively welcoming/recruiting fascists/nazis for the record, I don't really have opinions on specific regional leaders.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

My general problem has primarily been that they are more-or-less actively welcoming/recruiting fascists/nazis for the record, I don't really have opinions on specific regional leaders.

I've been in their discord for a while now and spoke with enough people in the region, you see a spectrum of views, more or less. I've not seen anything like what's commonplace in NE though, and they do have policies to stop the people who might see the fascist tag and think it's a general hate zone. When they remove embassies with NE I don't see a reason why you should continue blacklisting them.

[Qwabour Harbour]

But they aren't condemning nazism. A few years back, Jocospor said he was not going to support CAIN and that the CCD are ok with nazism. While they are close to raiderproof and the proposal is useless, until there is sugnificant progress they are trying to get rid off the fascism, I'll support. Jocospor may not be a nazi, but he certainly isn't taking measures to prevent them (and instead supporting other fash regions)

[Greater vakolicci haven]

But they aren't condemning nazism. A few years back, Jocospor said he was not going to support CAIN and that the CCD are ok with nazism. While they are close to raiderproof and the proposal is useless, until there is sugnificant progress they are trying to get rid off the fascism, I'll support. Jocospor may not be a nazi, but he certainly isn't taking measures to prevent them (and instead supporting other fash regions)

The telegram you're talking about was an IC one from his leader, it even had a leader name at the bottom.

[Heraswed]

Okay, I'm going to give up on this whole fascist back-and-forth, since it's clear that we're not going anywhere fast. Can we return to the focus of this thread?

You're the one who wrote it in your draft amigo.

Where?

The Security Council,
Noting the political diversity of the World Assembly,
Understanding that many nations are opposed to the existence of a region devoted to dictatorship,
Further noting the wide range of political ideologies within the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators including but not limited to:

Communism,
Centrism,
Conservatism,
Fascism,
Despotic Socialism,

Asserting that it is not the place of the World Assembly to dictate the propriety of a political ideology to emerging nations, as recognised in SC#38,

Sure it is, and we've done it before.

But, I've here a piece of SC legislation which explicitly states that the SC believes it is not their place to dictate what ideologies are acceptable, unless you can produce such a piece of legislation which states the opposite, I'm sticking with SC#38.

Noting with confusion that the language of SC#263 is not that of a liberation but that of a condemnation and,

Liberations merely require a clause and justification, writing it like a Condemnation was intentional

Confused that this resolution was not submitted as such.

Condemnation has no mechanical effect

Well firstly, the issue I take is that the only justification you've used is your claim that the CCD is fascist. And I'd remind you that your liberation has likewise had no mechanical effect and wouldn't even serve the purpose you intended for it, since a person would have to read the resolution in order to understand why the badge exists on the CCD page. This renders the purpose of the resolution 'to warn both Confederation of Corrupt Dictators and future regions from promoting fascism, other such ideologies, and blatant use of this Assembly as recruitment and ego-boosting; unknown to most people. Whereas a Condemnation may have given nations an inkling of what was going on without having to have read the resolution.

Therefore doubting the sincerity of SC#263,

Acknowledging the definition of a liberation resolution as a resolution to ‘strike down delegate-imposed barriers to free entry to a region’,
Noting with concern that the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators neither had a password nor was it at risk of password-protection,

This is not a normal liberation, complaints that it isn't are rather moot

This is not a complaint that it's not a normal liberation, the complaint is that it doesn't meet the definition of a liberation resolution. And furthermore, there is a no mechanical effect to the liberation.

Recognising that the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators did, and still does, possess an executive founder,
Further recognising that this fact was acknowledged within SC#263,
Believing that the aforementioned states of affairs render SC#263 pointless,

For now

Any suggestions are appreciated.

I assume that saying this draft is a silly idea that won't pass doesn't count?[/quote]
Why is it a 'silly idea'? My definition of a silly idea is proposing an ineffectual liberation which doesn't even meet the definition of a liberation before attempting to keep down a proposal to repeal it through complaints which are as asinine as they are inane.

[Blood Wine]

But they aren't condemning nazism. A few years back, Jocospor said he was not going to support CAIN and that the CCD are ok with nazism. While they are close to raiderproof and the proposal is useless, until there is sugnificant progress they are trying to get rid off the fascism, I'll support. Jocospor may not be a nazi, but he certainly isn't taking measures to prevent them (and instead supporting other fash regions)

The telegram you're talking about was an IC one from his leader, it even had a leader name at the bottom.

You cannot hide behind that idiotic excuse of "IC" when supporting nazism

[Ayello]

Very sure CAIN iswas a gameplay thing