Yeah since the region is not Nazi.
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by Heraswed » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:50 am
by Blood Wine » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:50 am
Heraswed wrote:Given that, in the original resolution, (the target of this draft) the assertion is that the CCD is fascist, the burden of proof is to prove that the CCD is fascist, not for me to prove it isn't. Similarly this burden lies with many on this thread.
Elke and Elba wrote:Well Mall, you want Haven? I'd want your Joint Systems Alliance badge, then.
Discoveria wrote:Port blood is a raider through and through. Honest.
Tim-Opolis wrote:The Salt Mines will be fueled for months by the tears of silly fascists.
[4:27 PM] Antigone: Port Blood = Gameplay JesusSedgistan wrote:Attempted threadjack on sandwiches and satanism removed.
by Heraswed » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:56 am
Blood Wine wrote:Heraswed wrote:Given that, in the original resolution, (the target of this draft) the assertion is that the CCD is fascist, the burden of proof is to prove that the CCD is fascist, not for me to prove it isn't. Similarly this burden lies with many on this thread.
No, in this case the burden of proof is upon you, as you are attempting to disprove already established facts of the resolution
by Caracasus » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:01 am
Heraswed wrote:Blood Wine wrote:
No, in this case the burden of proof is upon you, as you are attempting to disprove already established facts of the resolution
In this case, you are setting an impossible standard, to prove a negative is nigh impossible. Besides, what is to say that the resolution is truthful. Finally, I've already mentioned that, of the three tenets of Fascism (as defined by Benito Mussolini) the only tenet the CCD aligns with is authoritarian government, that's it.
by Blood Wine » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:09 am
Elke and Elba wrote:Well Mall, you want Haven? I'd want your Joint Systems Alliance badge, then.
Discoveria wrote:Port blood is a raider through and through. Honest.
Tim-Opolis wrote:The Salt Mines will be fueled for months by the tears of silly fascists.
[4:27 PM] Antigone: Port Blood = Gameplay JesusSedgistan wrote:Attempted threadjack on sandwiches and satanism removed.
by Bhang Bhang Duc » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:05 am
Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.
RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.
Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..
by Kaboomlandia » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:14 am
by Heraswed » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:12 am
Blood Wine wrote:Let me just preview whats gonna happen after you submit it: its going to reach quarum because mister "I'm not a nazi" will spend his lunch money on stamps
Then when voting begins it will be slapped down because "fuck nazi's" is the one thing most people will agree on
So save your anonymous benefactor some money and everyone's time and give up
by Lord Dominator » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:51 am
by Blood Wine » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:17 pm
Heraswed wrote:Blood Wine wrote:Let me just preview whats gonna happen after you submit it: its going to reach quarum because mister "I'm not a nazi" will spend his lunch money on stamps
Then when voting begins it will be slapped down because "fuck nazi's" is the one thing most people will agree on
So save your anonymous benefactor some money and everyone's time and give up
I don't know why you've mentioned that '"fuck nazi's" is the one thing most people will agree on' because, as said before the CCD is not Nazi. And I have no 'anonymous benefactor', I'm doing what I see to be just and right.
Elke and Elba wrote:Well Mall, you want Haven? I'd want your Joint Systems Alliance badge, then.
Discoveria wrote:Port blood is a raider through and through. Honest.
Tim-Opolis wrote:The Salt Mines will be fueled for months by the tears of silly fascists.
[4:27 PM] Antigone: Port Blood = Gameplay JesusSedgistan wrote:Attempted threadjack on sandwiches and satanism removed.
by Caracasus » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:22 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:At best they're only welcoming fascists (and by extension nazis) into their region by via the rather blatant welcoming on the WFE.
Having embassies with multiple fascist & nazi regions that more assuredly not rping doesn't exactly help their case either.
by Heraswed » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:03 pm
by Lord Dominator » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:27 pm
Heraswed wrote:Okay, I'm going to give up on this whole fascist back-and-forth, since it's clear that we're not going anywhere fast. Can we return to the focus of this thread?
Heraswed wrote:The Security Council,
Noting the political diversity of the World Assembly,
Understanding that many nations are opposed to the existence of a region devoted to dictatorship,
Further noting the wide range of political ideologies within the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators including but not limited to:Communism,
Asserting that it is not the place of the World Assembly to dictate the propriety of a political ideology to emerging nations, as recognised in SC#38,
Centrism,
Conservatism,
Fascism,
Despotic Socialism,
Noting with confusion that the language of SC#263 is not that of a liberation but that of a condemnation and,
Confused that this resolution was not submitted as such.
Therefore doubting the sincerity of SC#263,
Acknowledging the definition of a liberation resolution as a resolution to ‘strike down delegate-imposed barriers to free entry to a region’,
Noting with concern that the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators neither had a password nor was it at risk of password-protection,
Recognising that the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators did, and still does, possess an executive founder,
Further recognising that this fact was acknowledged within SC#263,
Believing that the aforementioned states of affairs render SC#263 pointless,
Any suggestions are appreciated.
by Blood Wine » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:08 pm
Heraswed wrote:Okay, I'm going to give up on this whole fascist back-and-forth, since it's clear that we're not going anywhere fast. Can we return to the focus of this thread?
Elke and Elba wrote:Well Mall, you want Haven? I'd want your Joint Systems Alliance badge, then.
Discoveria wrote:Port blood is a raider through and through. Honest.
Tim-Opolis wrote:The Salt Mines will be fueled for months by the tears of silly fascists.
[4:27 PM] Antigone: Port Blood = Gameplay JesusSedgistan wrote:Attempted threadjack on sandwiches and satanism removed.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:44 pm
by Lord Dominator » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:59 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:It's a nice resolution, but don't even bother to submit. NS-Left won't let it pass.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:47 pm
Caracasus wrote:Very recently Jocospur opened a thread in moderation regarding their region being called nazis and fascistd. They were given some advice as to how to avoid that. Cheifly to close embassies with fascist regions and provide better disclaimers regarding their actual stance on fascism. As far as I am aware they haven't. While Jocospur seemed willing to work with others, unfortunately Shrewlama vetoed the idea. Apart from an insight into who actually runs CoCD, the discussion was fruitless.
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=458438
As far as I am concerned I am very much against this. If anything the very venement rejection of perfectly reasonable solutions made in good faith kind of leads me to believe that there is a pretty strong fascist contingent in CoCD.
by Lord Dominator » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:49 pm
by Greater vakolicci haven » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:52 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:My general problem has primarily been that they are more-or-less actively welcoming/recruiting fascists/nazis for the record, I don't really have opinions on specific regional leaders.
by Qwabour Harbour » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:05 pm
by Greater vakolicci haven » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:13 pm
Qwabour Harbour wrote:But they aren't condemning nazism. A few years back, Jocospor said he was not going to support CAIN and that the CCD are ok with nazism. While they are close to raiderproof and the proposal is useless, until there is sugnificant progress they are trying to get rid off the fascism, I'll support. Jocospor may not be a nazi, but he certainly isn't taking measures to prevent them (and instead supporting other fash regions)
by Heraswed » Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:10 am
Lord Dominator wrote:Heraswed wrote:The Security Council,
Noting the political diversity of the World Assembly,
Understanding that many nations are opposed to the existence of a region devoted to dictatorship,
Further noting the wide range of political ideologies within the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators including but not limited to:Communism,
Asserting that it is not the place of the World Assembly to dictate the propriety of a political ideology to emerging nations, as recognised in SC#38,
Centrism,
Conservatism,
Fascism,
Despotic Socialism,
Sure it is, and we've done it before.
Lord Dominator wrote:Noting with confusion that the language of SC#263 is not that of a liberation but that of a condemnation and,
Liberations merely require a clause and justification, writing it like a Condemnation was intentionalConfused that this resolution was not submitted as such.
Condemnation has no mechanical effect
Lord Dominator wrote:Therefore doubting the sincerity of SC#263,Acknowledging the definition of a liberation resolution as a resolution to ‘strike down delegate-imposed barriers to free entry to a region’,
Noting with concern that the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators neither had a password nor was it at risk of password-protection,
This is not a normal liberation, complaints that it isn't are rather moot
Lord Dominator wrote:Recognising that the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators did, and still does, possess an executive founder,
Further recognising that this fact was acknowledged within SC#263,
Believing that the aforementioned states of affairs render SC#263 pointless,
For now
Any suggestions are appreciated.
by Blood Wine » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:11 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Qwabour Harbour wrote:But they aren't condemning nazism. A few years back, Jocospor said he was not going to support CAIN and that the CCD are ok with nazism. While they are close to raiderproof and the proposal is useless, until there is sugnificant progress they are trying to get rid off the fascism, I'll support. Jocospor may not be a nazi, but he certainly isn't taking measures to prevent them (and instead supporting other fash regions)
The telegram you're talking about was an IC one from his leader, it even had a leader name at the bottom.
Elke and Elba wrote:Well Mall, you want Haven? I'd want your Joint Systems Alliance badge, then.
Discoveria wrote:Port blood is a raider through and through. Honest.
Tim-Opolis wrote:The Salt Mines will be fueled for months by the tears of silly fascists.
[4:27 PM] Antigone: Port Blood = Gameplay JesusSedgistan wrote:Attempted threadjack on sandwiches and satanism removed.
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