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[IDEA] Commend Frisbeeteria

Postby Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:50 am

So, I have written a draft for this, but am refraining from posting it because I want some thoughts on the idea of the concept.

The idea would be that Frisbeeteria would be commended for his Historical Resolution, GA Resolution, and Issues - I mean, very few people do that.

His moderation role is ignored.

EDIT: I will wait to submit this for a couple weeks :)

No but actually, this is long overdue.

The Security Council,

Recognizing Frisbeeteria's major contributions to the World Assembly and the international community,

Noting that in both the General Assembly and its predecessor the Frisbeeterian Delegation to the World Assembly wrote two decisive pieces of legislation:

  1. "Rights and Duties of UN States" - one of the original pioneering resolutions of any international law making body, which per its name defined the duties UN States had and the rights they reserved,

  2. "Rights and Duties of WA States" - an newer edition of the previous resolution, passed as the second resolution in the General Assembly and still active to this day, setting a universal standard for the positive environment the WA is today,

Astounded that through the consistent turmoil in the multiverse Frisbeeteria highlighted two important political issues, [and aided in the communication of four more ; this part I am not sure if is valid] being the deciding factor in many of the decisions made in how to resolve said issues, them being:

  1. An issue with road accidents in nations where speed limits are unknown, as presented in Slow Down, You’re Going Too Fast,

  2. An issue in which corruption is highlighted in regards to the sale of executed criminals organs by wardens, as presented in Victims Demand Their Pound of Flesh,

Impressed Frisbeeteria is recognized as one of the freest countries in the multiverse, with a phenomenal and stable democracy;

Further Noting that Frisbeeteria sports a unique geographical model in which corporate campuses surround a large agricultural space (known as Fribeeteria Prime) that supplies the food and produce in the country,

Further Impressed by the unique and efficient system mentioned previously,

Believing that Frisbeeteria deserves to be acknowledged for their hard work and dedication to the world and to be remembered for generations to come,

Hereby commends Frisbeeteria.


So, what do you think? Thoughts?
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:53 am

Almost all of Fris' actions occurred while he was a mod. I would think that's R1. Also, I'm not sure whether idea threads are permitted in the WA.

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Postby Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:59 am

R1?
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Postby Aclion » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:02 am

Absolutely not. They are among the least deserving people on this site.

Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:R1?

You can't commend people for things related to their staff position, this includes authoring issues while an editor.
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Postby Wrapper » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:11 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Almost all of Fris' actions occurred while he was a mod. I would think that's R1. Also, I'm not sure whether idea threads are permitted in the WA.

It says right up there:

Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:His moderation role would be ignored.

As long as that holds true, it shouldn’t violate R1. Mentioning the fact that he’s a moderator or referencing anything that he did in his role as a moderator is a no-go, of course, so as long as that stuff is left out, it should be okay (unless he was an editor while he wrote issues, and I don’t know about that). For example, referencing the passing of GA#2 would be fine, he submitted that just as any other player could have.

Also, for the record, there’s nothing wrong with posting an exploratory idea like this in the SC. People do it all the time, particularly for C/C’s. That said, NKC, you should go ahead and post a draft. Worst that can happen is people don’t like it, and you’ll learn from the experience.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:20 am

You cannot commend or condemn members of the site staff (Moderators, Administrators, Issues Editors, Roleplay Mentors etc.) for actions taken as part of their role.

Excuse formatting, mobile. Fris said in my repeal GA 2 thread that the proposal was written as part of the April Fools ... Event. Kablooie. Doohickey. That's definitely part of the role.

Of course, I can't speak to the rest of the historical resolutions. The exception you noted in the rules exists for Issues editors. And if I recall correctly, the precedent on moderators makes no such exception.

(Naturally, since I'm pretty much always for authorial choice, i think we should abolish R1, but that's an entirely different matter.)

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Postby Nagthar Card Farm 002 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:21 am

Wrapper wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Almost all of Fris' actions occurred while he was a mod. I would think that's R1. Also, I'm not sure whether idea threads are permitted in the WA.

It says right up there:

Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:His moderation role would be ignored.

As long as that holds true, it shouldn’t violate R1. Mentioning the fact that he’s a moderator or referencing anything that he did in his role as a moderator is a no-go, of course, so as long as that stuff is left out, it should be okay (unless he was an editor while he wrote issues, and I don’t know about that). For example, referencing the passing of GA#2 would be fine, he submitted that just as any other player could have.

Also, for the record, there’s nothing wrong with posting an exploratory idea like this in the SC. People do it all the time, particularly for C/C’s. That said, NKC, you should go ahead and post a draft. Worst that can happen is people don’t like it, and you’ll learn from the experience.

Thanks Wrapper!

I feel cleared in my mind.

I will post it tomorrow morning! As of now, I have to go to sleep, and I am not on the computer I have the draft saved to. :lol:

Imperium Anglorum wrote:You cannot commend or condemn members of the site staff (Moderators, Administrators, Issues Editors, Roleplay Mentors etc.) for actions taken as part of their role.

Excuse formatting, mobile. Fris said in my repeal GA 2 thread that the proposal was written as part of the April Fools ... Event. Kablooie. Doohickey. That's definitely part of the role.

Of course, I can't speak to the rest of the historical resolutions. The exception you noted in the rules exists for Issues editors. And if I recall correctly, the precedent on moderators makes no such exception.

(Naturally, since I'm pretty much always for authorial choice, i think we should abolish R1, but that's an entirely different matter.)

https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pa ... /council=1

It doesn't look much like a joke.

*when you post on the wrong nation*
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Postby Ransium » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:25 am

Fris has said in the past he doesn’t want to be commended, so there’s that.

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Postby USS Monitor » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:45 am

Wrapper wrote:As long as that holds true, it shouldn’t violate R1. Mentioning the fact that he’s a moderator or referencing anything that he did in his role as a moderator is a no-go, of course, so as long as that stuff is left out, it should be okay (unless he was an editor while he wrote issues, and I don’t know about that). For example, referencing the passing of GA#2 would be fine, he submitted that just as any other player could have.


Moderators have access to the issues editing process, and should therefore not be commended for issues they wrote while on staff.

Exactly how much access we have varies from one mod to the next, and the process for managing the issues game has changed over the years, but I think it's simpler to just say no commending mods for issues work rather than expect players to figure out who has access to what and when they acquired that access. All of us have access to the Editing Room (feel free to poke your head in if you ever get curious what we're up to in there) and mods have been involved in issues in some capacity for a very long time.

Issues that a mod wrote before becoming a mod are fair game, obviously.
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Postby Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:59 am

Okay! The draft is up!

Ransium wrote:Fris has said in the past he doesn’t want to be commended, so there’s that.


I may have to drop it then. Respecting someones preferences is important.

However, for the time being this serves more as a training session for me.
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Postby Ransium » Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:05 am

All the issue and WA stuff is R1.

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:53 am

Ransium wrote:All the issue and WA stuff is R1.

The only thing I did pre-mod was the UN proposal. As Ransium says, all the issue and WA stuff can't be considered. Also, Frisbeeteria Prime is pretty much irrelevant, as are any other puppets. You can't really tie them together in a proposal, AFAIK.

Post-mod, the only thing I've done completely independently of my role as Moderator has been to accumulate a lot of trading cards. While I've certainly enjoyed the mini-game, I'm not seeing that as commendation material.

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Well that's just mean.

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Postby Queen YUNo » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:06 am

OOC: After reading all the above, well, Commend or not, you’ve done great service as a mod
Mods don’t necessarily need Commends because their hard work is obvious (like DEATs)
Plus there’s a whole voting bloc thing going on in the WA, I’m not sure if it’s right to toss something like this up between the WA delegates, some might want to vote against just cuz he’s a mod so they’re bitter and want to say they “just failed a mod Commend.” (Although this should be judged like a regular player (for example Sedge and CrazyGirl, despite being mods, were condemned/commended.) All it takes is one Feeder Delegate doing this and this proposal is toast. Good players don’t deserve that. (Though don’t mind me, I’m sure this proposal would pass with flying colors if it went to vote due to the recent trend of passed commends, I’m just being cynical.)

IC: “Friebeeteria is a major card dealer of the Yuno Empire. Considering we have banned free trade, only sacred nations are extended this privilege. Not only that, but a truly epic card dealer with over 5155+ trades and 1500+ epic cards, and $400 bank. It’s a blasmphemy of the highest nature and an insult to their sacredness to vote on Fris like cattle for #1 gold rank by the corrupt WA delegates. Such a holy nation deserves an automatic Commend of the highest honor, and to skip the entire voting stage, or not soil itself with the likes of your judgment. Some heinous nations will vote Against, I urge you not to present them the opportunity to.”
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Postby Christ Triumphant » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:29 am

Frisbeeteria wrote:Post-mod, the only thing I've done completely independently of my role as Moderator has been to accumulate a lot of trading cards. While I've certainly enjoyed the mini-game, I'm not seeing that as commendation material.


Queen YUNo wrote:IC: “Friebeeteria is a major card dealer of the Yuno Empire.


As you say you are viewing this more as a "training session" at this point, there may be an angle here that could provide some good experience.

Maybe re-write this to be a commendation for "business acumen" or "commercial innovation" or "Facilitation of Trade and Promotion of the Free Market?" Something along those lines...

I remember seeing a very clever commendation, some bit ago, where an issue author's work was "reinterpreted" in a way that suggested the topics of the issues authored to be the player's actual political achievements. I'm not explaining that very well, I'll try to go back and find the actual proposal...

Edit 1:
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=7503&start=250#p35150540
This proposal commends Frattastan, and links actions taken in both the main nation and Frattastan II; so this might counter Fris' concern that their actions through puppets are un-actionable.

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viewtopic.php?f=24&t=7503&start=250#p35150583
I believe this was the proposal I was thinking of: Condemn Chan Island (where a condemnation is substituted for commendation out of respect for a player's IC)
There's some real clever "reinterpretation" in that proposal that might help as inspiration.
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Postby The Sherpa Empire » Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:07 pm

Christ Triumphant wrote:Maybe re-write this to be a commendation for "business acumen" or "commercial innovation" or "Facilitation of Trade and Promotion of the Free Market?" Something along those lines...


If you wrote up his card trading that way, it would be legal. Whether people feel like passing a commendation for that is another question. I think people would kind of know it was just making an end run around R1 to find an excuse to commend Fris. Not really something you would normally commend a nation for, just something you can write about that sounds nice and IC.
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Postby Aclion » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:42 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Ransium wrote:All the issue and WA stuff is R1.

The only thing I did pre-mod was the UN proposal. As Ransium says, all the issue and WA stuff can't be considered. Also, Frisbeeteria Prime is pretty much irrelevant, as are any other puppets. You can't really tie them together in a proposal, AFAIK.

Post-mod, the only thing I've done completely independently of my role as Moderator has been to accumulate a lot of trading cards. While I've certainly enjoyed the mini-game, I'm not seeing that as commendation material.

Aclion wrote:Absolutely not. They are among the least deserving people on this site.

Well that's just mean.

Hey, that's as nice as the truth gets without violating site rules.
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