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Kuriko
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Postby Kuriko » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:53 pm

Vinage wrote:Not sure why this is required as the region remains free to move in and out from.

Seems too preemptive to do.

The region actually is not free to move into and out of at all. Anyone moving in that's not part of the occupying forces would be immediately banned, and pretty soon the occupying forces will have enough influence to start banning the natives too. In cases like this, its best to pass a liberation as quickly as possible because leaving it too late could end up seeing the region locked down and re founded before the SC can act.
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Kaboomlandia
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:38 pm

Natives want it? I'm on board.
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Postby Armaros » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:46 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:Natives want it? I'm on board.

Curious, because the native delegate in this post the native delegate says he will make a new, stable region and that they didn't bother to defend themselves.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:11 pm

Armaros wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:Natives want it? I'm on board.

Curious, because the native delegate in this post the native delegate says he will make a new, stable region and that they didn't bother to defend themselves.

Didn’t see that. Curious.
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The Tri State Area and Maine
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Postby The Tri State Area and Maine » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:12 pm

Armaros wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:Natives want it? I'm on board.

Curious, because the native delegate in this post the native delegate says he will make a new, stable region and that they didn't bother to defend themselves.


Still am on board, until he decides to make a new region.

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Postby Armaros » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:14 pm

The Tri State Area and Maine wrote:
Armaros wrote:Curious, because the native delegate in this post the native delegate says he will make a new, stable region and that they didn't bother to defend themselves.


Still am on board, until he decides to make a new region.

He in fact already did so, but then abandoned it again. He has said on the RMB he first needs to recover before building a new, stable region.
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The Tri State Area and Maine
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Postby The Tri State Area and Maine » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:16 pm

Armaros wrote:
The Tri State Area and Maine wrote:
Still am on board, until he decides to make a new region.

He in fact already did so, but then abandoned it again. He has said on the RMB he first needs to recover before building a new, stable region.


So the solution is to destroy his old region?

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Postby Armaros » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:28 pm

The Tri State Area and Maine wrote:
Armaros wrote:He in fact already did so, but then abandoned it again. He has said on the RMB he first needs to recover before building a new, stable region.


So the solution is to destroy his old region?

That's... not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the natives don't care and that it is pointless to liberate it, since the community is moving to another region anyway.
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Postby The Tri State Area and Maine » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:39 pm

Armaros wrote:
The Tri State Area and Maine wrote:
So the solution is to destroy his old region?

That's... not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the natives don't care and that it is pointless to liberate it, since the community is moving to another region anyway.

Yes, one native speaks for all of the Natives.

Besides, not sure why you find it important whether there are natives or not.

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Kuriko
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Postby Kuriko » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:53 pm

Armaros wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:Natives want it? I'm on board.

Curious, because the native delegate in this post the native delegate says he will make a new, stable region and that they didn't bother to defend themselves.

One native does not speak for all natives, you know that Pepper.

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Lord Dominator
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Postby Lord Dominator » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:06 pm

Natives are food, not friends ;)

If I wasn't a raider I'd support this of course
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Phurth Rette
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Postby Phurth Rette » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:43 pm

It shouldn't matter, that the raiders in question are our allies, when those raiders are destroying the region. For this reason I am in support of the resolution.

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Armaros
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Postby Armaros » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:39 am

Kuriko wrote:
Armaros wrote:Curious, because the native delegate in this post the native delegate says he will make a new, stable region and that they didn't bother to defend themselves.

One native does not speak for all natives, you know that Pepper.

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Hey, that first one is the guy who keeps insulting and baiting people, calling them toxic, drones and more of that stuff. Really the kind of guy you'd want to help out.

Aside from that, I see two other natives. One is Oubaograd, who appears to have joined roughly 6 months ago. Now, it makes sense that he is in favour of a liberation since he was in a region tagged defender before, SHIELD. The other one, curiously enough, seems to have joined the same day.

EDIT: that day was the day the region was founded.
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Yokiria
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Postby Yokiria » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:50 am

When it comes to native support, it seems to be a mixed bag.

This resolution will simply cause the region to become a never-ending battlefield for taggers and detaggers at best. Congratulations to whomever gets an SC authorship badge by easily repealing this in a few months.
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Libertarian Socialist Sol
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Founded: Sep 18, 2017
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Postby Libertarian Socialist Sol » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:11 am

If the region fails to be retaken via direct action or security resolution, and the group I hail from still has interested in playing, we will remake a region so as to not have an absent founder. If a security resolution is passed, or the region is retaken, and the natives of whom I was the delegate for agree by concensual or supermajority to stay in the region, then that’s their decision. For the time being, the nation noted as being the defender, Oubaograd, is currently representative of the native group. I personally ran the group via a directly democratic consent based process, which I hope will be upheld by Oubaograd, however I am unable to make management decisions at the momen to uphold this process.

Unfortunately at this time I am unable to assist in defence efforts, or much else. This Friday January the 25th I’ll be undergoing a craniotomy with a five day in hospital recovery period, to address a rare and life threatening Arterialveinous Malformation that I was diagnosed with a year ago, discovered due to fainting spells and seizure activity caused by the Malformation that hVe become prominent in my life over the last year. Due to this, I’ve removed myself from both the region, and the social media site connected with it, to avoid any extra stress as I prepare for the upcoming operation and the numerous procedures that surround it. I have temporarily placed myself into a new personal region to help avoid any of the aforementioned stress, but do plan to return as soon as I’m able to do so. The timing of this raid was very unfortunate, as if I did not have this going on, I would be actively participating in defense efforts, as done in the past, but I just do not have the capability at the moment.

I would like to add, that I am incredibly grateful for the efforts being put forward by the NS community to defend this region. Due to poor planning, on my part, the region was unprotected from raids. The main focus of the region was a community gathering place for the site we all hail from, as well as a mild roleplay area for us. We did not intend to participate in raids or raid activity, however I unfortunately did not add a password to protect the region out of lax security planning.

Thank you all for taking part in the discussion of this region and it’s members. It truly is appreciated,
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Armaros
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Postby Armaros » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:15 am

Libertarian Socialist Sol wrote:If the region fails to be retaken via direct action or security resolution, and the group I hail from still has interested in playing, we will remake a region so as to not have an absent founder. If a security resolution is passed, or the region is retaken, and the natives of whom I was the delegate for agree by concensual or supermajority to stay in the region, then that’s their decision. For the time being, the region noted as being the defender, Oubaograd, is currently representative of the native group.

Unfortunately at this time I am unable to assist in defence efforts, or much else. This Friday January the 25th I’ll be undergoing a craniotomy with a five day in hospital recovery period, to address a rare and life threatening Arterialveinous Malformation that I was diagnosed with a year ago, discovered due to fainting spells and seizure activity caused by the Malformation that hVe become prominent in my life over the last year. Due to this, I’ve removed myself from both the region, and the social media site connected with it, to avoid any extra stress as I prepare for the upcoming operation and the numerous procedures that surround it. I have temporarily placed myself into a new personal region to help avoid any of the aforementioned stress, but do plan to return as soon as I’m able to do so. The timing of this raid was very unfortunate, as if I did not have this going on, I would be actively participating in defense efforts, as done in the past, but I just do not have the capability at the moment.

I would like to add, that I am incredibly grateful for the efforts being put forward by the NS community to defend this region. Due to poor planning, on my part, the region was unprotected from raids. The main focus of the region was a community gathering place for the site we all hail from, as well as a mild roleplay area for us. We did not intend to participate in raids or raid activity, however I unfortunately did not add a password to protect the region out of lax security planning.

Thank you all for taking part in the discussion of this region and it’s members. It truly is appreciated.
-LSS/Karos

Oh. I'm sorry to hear about your craniotomy. Best of luck with it! If you afterwards need help building a new region, shoot me a telegram.

On the other hand tho: this liberation will only make it an eternal battlefield between raiders and defenders, and natives have no possibility to protect themselves.
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Libertarian Socialist Sol
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Postby Libertarian Socialist Sol » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:21 am

The offer is most definitely appreciated, and your concerns are in line with my own, both due to the absent founder, and the current situation that the region finds itself in. If it hasn’t been resolved properly by the time I return, my intentions are to create a new region for the natives with much more stringent security measures. Our main focus was as a community gathering point for the players from our off site social media network, with a focus on friendly local competition/teamwork and minor roleplay, so overall, this is a good lesson for us in regional security, as well as a valid reason for us to finally make a new region with an active founder.

Additionally, if it means anything to you all, This raider group, by coincidence, struck at a time when the region was at it’s weakest, essentially unknowingly (knowingly?) capitalizing off of the fact that the founder has stopped playing NS, and that the former delegate, myself, is dealing with major health issues that prevent me from properly dealing with this. I should have set better security measures, which I’m not unaware of how to do, but my focus over the last year has unfortunately not been on protecting the region, thanks to the aforementioned health issues.

The kind wishes towards my procedure are also most definitely greatly appreciated. Thank you!

When the time comes, if I need any help, I’ll reach out. Again, thank you very much for the offer.

And Kuriko, thank you for going to the lengths to attempt to recover this region for us. That is also greatly appreciated regardless of outcome.
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The Gilded Star
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Postby The Gilded Star » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:46 am

Hey man, best of luck with your surgery. I noticed you've still been hanging around after mentioning your situation on the RMB. Just remember your life and health are infinitely more important than some goofy game, so don't feel an obligation to stick around right now if a short hiatus prior to your operation would do you better. We'll all still be here when you get back and your chair at the table will be just the way you left it, so treat yourself now first and foremost, and worry about us later.

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Qwabour Harbour
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Postby Qwabour Harbour » Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:30 am

Libertarian Socialist Sol, you can gain a foothold in the region, and with your massive influence, you can password the region once this liberation is repealed (or it fails to pass and is liberated by defenders anyway). That way, you can keep it from being a battleground of tag raiders and defenders, and you can continue your business in that region (or just preserve the region's history and create a stable one, up to you). Any help you need, you can just contact me. Good luck with your surgery! :)

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Kuriko
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Postby Kuriko » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:19 am

And so it comes to pass, the entire native population is expelled and the region is passworded by the invading forces. Let us hope that any refound attempt before the passage of the liberation may be intercepted and the region handed back to the natives.
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Montenbourg
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Postby Montenbourg » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:02 am

"I want you, ambassadors, to hear directly from me what is at stake for the World in Amino, what we are doing to protect the peace, the security, the freedom we cherish, why we have taken the position we have taken. Vote for liberation".- Lady Catherine Durant
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Armaros
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Postby Armaros » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:46 am

Montenbourg wrote:"I want you, ambassadors, to hear directly from me what is at stake for the World in Amino, what we are doing to protect the peace, the security, the freedom we cherish, why we have taken the position we have taken. Vote for liberation".- Lady Catherine Durant

Interesting. Now eh, what is exactly at stake, if I may ask?
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:44 am

Support currently, unless more information comes out on why I should be against it.
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Qilai
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Postby Qilai » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:54 pm

It is appalling to the People's Republic of Qilai that a region's sovereignty could so grossly be violated without meaningful justification. We hope that there will be positive developments soon.

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Postby The Gilded Star » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:20 pm

Kuriko wrote:And so it comes to pass, the entire native population is expelled and the region is passworded by the invading forces. Let us hope that any refound attempt before the passage of the liberation may be intercepted and the region handed back to the natives.


For the record, the region has been refounded by the raiders as of a few minutes ago.

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