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Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:22 pm**

Condemn Psychotic Dictatorships

The Scumbag WA, as citizens of the region Psychotic Dictatorships refer to this august body as,

Horrified at the rise and survival of the authoritarian region
Psychotic Dictatorships,

Noting the mistreatment of the citizens in the region,

Appalled that 96.4 percent of the leading nation, Menta Lee-Il dies from a "disappearance", a statistic shared by many other nations in the region,

Bemoaning the sorry state of education in Psychotic Dictatorships, leading to the region being placed in the top one percent in the world for ignorance,

Pitying the citizens of Psychotic Dictatorships for being in the top four percent of the world for the death rate, and the bottom four percent for lifespan,

Shocked that Psychotic Dictatorships falls in the bottom 18% of the world for the Human Development Index,

Further noting that any nation who breaks away from this horrendous region is treated as an enemy of the state,

Insulted by the rebuffing of World Assembly efforts to help Psychotic Dictatorships,

Acknowledging that Psychotic Dictatorships has managed to evade condemnation far too many times,

Resolved that this blight upon the world shall not go unpunished for its crimes against humanity,

Hereby Condemns Psychotic Dictatorships

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:44 pm**

NS policies are not grounds for condemnation

Posted: **Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:39 am**

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:NS policies are not grounds for condemnation

Why not? It's not a rule violation, and therefore it's up to WA members to decide with their vote if they are or not.

I like the idea in principle, though I think it could be a bit directer (and detailed) in showing how crass the region is run. I love the Scumbag WA touch at the beginning. The "Acknowledging" clause is fluff and I wouldn't include it.

Posted: **Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:41 am**

I don't see how people role playing dictators needs to be condemned

Posted: **Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:23 pm**

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:I don't see how people role playing dictators needs to be condemned

Condemnations and commendations for roleplaying exist. It's a reward for being very good at roleplaying an evil region or nation.

Posted: **Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:32 pm**

Aemillana wrote:
Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:I don't see how people role playing dictators needs to be condemned

Condemnations and commendations for roleplaying exist. It's a reward for being very good at roleplaying an evil region or nation.

This. RP has a place in the SC, it's not a strict gameplayers club.

Posted: **Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:46 pm**

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:NS policies are not grounds for condemnation

In this case it is fitting, and for the most part these nations' RP reflects their NS stats or vice versa.

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:I don't see how people role playing dictators needs to be condemned

It seems very much in the spirit of the game to me.

I think a condemnation would be very seemly given the state of this region!

Posted: **Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:38 am**

Since I’ve already had a drafting thread for this a few months back, I decided not to enter a third drafting period and just submitted it straight to the Assembly.

The Scumbag WA, as nations of the region Psychotic Dictatorships refer to this august body as,

Horrified at the rise and survival of the authoritarian region
Psychotic Dictatorships,

Incensed by the mistreatment of the citizens in the region, including but not limited to executions, lack of freedom of speech, and perpetual fear.

Appalled that 96.4 percent of the leading nation, Menta Lee-Il dies from a "disappearance", a statistic shared by many other nations in the region,

Bemoaning the sorry state of education in Psychotic Dictatorships, leading to the region being placed in the top one percent in the world for ignorance,

Pitying the citizens of Psychotic Dictatorships for being in the top four percent of the world for the death rate, and the bottom four percent for lifespan,

Shocked that Psychotic Dictatorships falls in the bottom 18% of the world for the Human Development Index,

Further noting that any nation who breaks away from this horrendous region is treated as an enemy of the state,

Saddened by the rebuffing of World Assembly efforts to help Psychotic Dictatorships,

Acknowledging that Psychotic Dictatorships has managed to evade condemnation far too many times,

Resolved that this blight upon the world shall not go unpunished for its crimes against humanity,

Hereby Condemns Psychotic Dictatorships

Posted: **Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:40 am**

Post Deleted.

Posted: **Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:56 am**

Canton Empire wrote:The Scumbag WA

No. Proposal discarded.

Posted: **Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:58 am**

Also, you get one thread for a proposal. Next time, revive the old one. Threads merged.

Posted: **Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:14 am**

Wrapper wrote:
Canton Empire wrote:The Scumbag WA

No. Proposal discarded.

I’m not seeing at all how this would be ground for discarding the resolution when this is used in an in character context and also is directly from the regions World Factbook Entry. “This is PSYCHOTIC DICTATORSHIPS, INFINITELY RULED by the most infamous potentate in all history, Menta Lee-IL, and ranked by the SCUMBAG WA past and present as:”

I’m also not seeing how this proposal is discarded when the phrase is immediately explained by the next section of the sentence. It also doesn’t run afoul of the third point in the illegal terms rubric in the Compendium of Mod Rulings within the Security Council.

I would like further clarification on this point.

Posted: **Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:25 pm**

Opposed.

This just doesn't seem a worthwhile candidate for Condemnation at all, and there are many more notable players and regions both on GP and RP fronts that deserve it much more.

Posted: **Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:34 pm**

Tim-Opolis wrote:Opposed.

This just doesn't seem a worthwhile candidate for Condemnation at all, and there are many more notable players and regions both on GP and RP fronts that deserve it much more.

All the people trying to categorize this as a RP condemnation or GP condemnation don't understand the nuance. Psychotic Dictatorships is unique in a beautiful way for the way its region is run (banned WA membership), the code of speech imposed on its residents, and its flippant mockery of dictatorship.

Full support.

Posted: **Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:41 pm**

I also support this. The "scumbag WA" label needs to be removed from the proposal, so it doesn't get discarded again, but otherwise this does look worthwhile.

Posted: **Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:43 pm**

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I also support this. The "scumbag WA" label needs to be removed from the proposal, so it doesn't get discarded again, but otherwise this does look worthwhile.

Having a humourous, relevant reference in a serious resolution is far from unacceptable. If it were, IDK how "Liberate the The East Pacific" past.

Wrapper, can you explain why this was marked as Discard?

Posted: **Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:31 pm**

Tim-Opolis wrote:Opposed.

This just doesn't seem a worthwhile candidate for Condemnation at all, and there are many more notable players and regions both on GP and RP fronts that deserve it much more.

Although I hate agreeing with Tim, I'm also opposed to this Condemn. Psychotic Dictatorships simply has little relevance in the Gameplay sphere other than their colorful WFE and few interesting players. They have no R/D military to speak of, nor have they acted against any other region, instead vigorously supporting an anti-WA stance in a tinpot style.

Posted: **Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:21 pm**

La Navasse wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:Opposed.

This just doesn't seem a worthwhile candidate for Condemnation at all, and there are many more notable players and regions both on GP and RP fronts that deserve it much more.

Although I hate agreeing with Tim, I'm also opposed to this Condemn. Psychotic Dictatorships simply has little relevance in the Gameplay sphere other than their colorful WFE and few interesting players. They have no R/D military to speak of, nor have they acted against any other region, instead vigorously supporting an anti-WA stance in a tinpot style.

Except the Security Council is not for just GPers. It’s also for RPers as well and if you spent even as much time looking at the SC records as you did typing this post you’d realize that.

Posted: **Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:47 pm**

Canton Empire wrote:Except the Security Council is not for just GPers. It’s also for RPers as well and if you spent even as much time looking at the SC records as you did typing this post you’d realize that.

Well, clearly you didn't read my post. Here, I'll even emphasize the relevant sections for you.

Tim-Opolis wrote:Opposed.

This just doesn't seem a worthwhile candidate for Condemnation at all, and there are many more notable players and regions both on GP and RP fronts that deserve it much more.

Posted: **Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:18 am**

What in the actual living Hell is this, my "fellow" diplomats and ambassadors? Are we not allowed to do whatever we please? Against, hmph!
- Supreme Leader Samantha-Higgs Anastazie Prudence Marie Vangelija "De Zwart & Verachtend Hart" Marcelina C. Vixie Thida Htet Nway Aye

OOC: I know, I know, very bad form to post here when your region is condemned, but hey, I can't resist! Whatever I might have said here may or may not represent my region so far, just me, so... there's that.

Posted: **Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:31 am**

Tim-Opolis wrote:
Canton Empire wrote:Except the Security Council is not for just GPers. It’s also for RPers as well and if you spent even as much time looking at the SC records as you did typing this post you’d realize that.

Well, clearly you didn't read my post. Here, I'll even emphasize the relevant sections for you.

Tim-Opolis wrote:Opposed.

This just doesn't seem a worthwhile candidate for Condemnation at all, and there are many more notable players and regions both on GP and RP fronts that deserve it much more.

Clearly you didn’t read that I was responding to La Navasse and not you.

Posted: **Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:09 pm**

Full support. Since we're on the subject of RP vs GP commendations/condemnations, I have a question for you guys. Do RP liberations have a place in the SC? Would any of you support a liberation of PD or other peaceful regions? The GA is straightforward RP, but the RP/GP dichotomy within the SC really confuses me sometimes.

Posted: **Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:52 pm**

New Bremerton wrote:Full support. Since we're on the subject of RP vs GP commendations/condemnations, I have a question for you guys. Do RP liberations have a place in the SC? Would any of you support a liberation of PD or other peaceful regions? The GA is straightforward RP, but the RP/GP dichotomy within the SC really confuses me sometimes.

No they don't imo. Liberations take away delegate ability to remove password after founder cte and if this is used for dictatorship regions who are simply playing the game, it's placing a target on them. Wouldn't support a liberation of PD. however nazi regions are something to stay away from generally but people's opinions differ on the desire for a need offensive liberations

Posted: **Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:13 am**

Borovan3 wrote:
New Bremerton wrote:Full support. Since we're on the subject of RP vs GP commendations/condemnations, I have a question for you guys. Do RP liberations have a place in the SC? Would any of you support a liberation of PD or other peaceful regions? The GA is straightforward RP, but the RP/GP dichotomy within the SC really confuses me sometimes.

No they don't imo. Liberations take away delegate ability to remove password after founder cte and if this is used for dictatorship regions who are simply playing the game, it's placing a target on them. Wouldn't support a liberation of PD. however nazi regions are something to stay away from generally but people's opinions differ on the desire for a need offensive liberations

I'm beginning to think OOCly that offensive liberations and raids against passive regions RPing as dictatorships constitute a form of griefing, especially if they're carried out for purely ideological reasons, including against insignificant, RP fascist regions. IMO, liberations should focus solely on the GP side of things. ICly, a liberation of PD or any other dictatorial region would be much more difficult to back out of in New Bremerton's case, it being a liberal democracy and all. I'll have to think of something.

NS Antifa/The MT Army's recent destruction of TNR on the flimsiest of pretexts is something I'm genuinely OOCly disgusted by, and I expected better of them. They're the reason I'm having second thoughts about offensive libs. I don't like either ideological or amoral raiders. I think you may have just changed my mind.

RP commendations and condemnations are far easier to justify both ICly and OOCly, them being merely badges, so once again, this RP condemnation has my full support.

Posted: **Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:59 am**

I join others in supporting this resolution, especially the tongue-in-cheek inclusion of "the scumbag WA" line. It sets a note of defiance against the onslaught of tyranny, and echoes the humor of long-ago WA resolutions, whose loss I am far from alone in decrying. Such a condemnation would stand alongside such classics as GAR #8 as a testament to what open-minded voters can achieve.

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