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[La Navasse]

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[United States of Natan]

The region in question does not appear to have a password... A region must be password protected by the WA delegate to be liberated.

[La Navasse]

The region in question does not appear to have a password... A region must be password protected by the WA delegate to be liberated.

That would be a traditional liberation. This is an offensive liberation against the Federation.

[United States of Natan]

The region in question does not appear to have a password... A region must be password protected by the WA delegate to be liberated.

That would be a traditional liberation. This is an offensive liberation against the Federation.

Still needs to be password protected to be liberated at the time of the proposal.

[Borovan entered the region as he]

That would be a traditional liberation. This is an offensive liberation against the Federation.

Still needs to be password protected to be liberated at the time of the proposal.

The intent is to prevent the delegate passwording a region after founder cte for rule breaking or retirement. It's meant to deter people and punishment for the region so it can be invaded

[Gagium]

Round 2 baby, let’s go!

Against, for obvious reasons. Will combat proposal in a later post. Seems like a rewrite of the original, with the same fascist name-slinging rhetoric...Only thing is, said evidence has aged another 2 months from then, and in those 2 months, the only person who said the n-word wasn’t residing within our region and was promptly banned shortly after...

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

This again? Wheeze.

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

I absolutely do not support Crimsonfield and his operating of multiple World Assembly nations

press x to doubt

[Twenty-one Pines]

I absolutely do not support Crimsonfield and his operating of multiple World Assembly nations,

ACKCHYUALLY Crimsonfield is a she.

[Doge Republics]

round 2, fight

[Wrapper]

That would be a traditional liberation. This is an offensive liberation against the Federation.

Still needs to be password protected to be liberated at the time of the proposal.

No, it does not. Any region can be liberated, whether it has a password or not. A liberation of a non-passworded region is largely symbolic, but it would prevent a WA delegate who has executive powers from imposing a password.

[Calamari]

I absolutely do not support Crimsonfield and his operating of multiple World Assembly nations,

ACKCHYUALLY Crimsonfield is a she.

Given the things that Crimsonfield has said to me, I don’t think someone with the... features... he alluded to having would be considered female.

[Viridus]

Oh yes! We gained 80 members from this last time. Thanks for the help!

[Doge Republics]

Oh yes! We gained 80 members from this last time. Thanks for the help!

I thought it was 30-ish?

[La Navasse]

Round 2 baby, let’s go!

Against, for obvious reasons. Will combat proposal in a later post. Seems like a rewrite of the original, with the same fascist name-slinging rhetoric...Only thing is, said evidence has aged another 2 months from then, and in those 2 months, the only person who said the n-word wasn’t residing within our region and was promptly banned shortly after...

I have thoroughly read through the last thread before posting this one, and I can confidently refer you to this well-written summary from Caracasus as to my reasons on why I disagree with your claims and don't believe you.

The main reason I'm seeking this Liberation is two-pronged: the behavior that you and your region was involved in was highly regrettable, and recently Gameplay entirely blacklisted a player known as Pergamon due to his In-Character actions. This player was also took a voluntary permanent retirement from NationStates. What this player's actions primarily encompassed were a long trend of actions against regional sovereignty in multiple aspects, including infiltration and invasion of regions, in order to accomplish his own wants in spite of the region as a whole. In a similar manner, you and Co. have engaged in a long trend of actions against basic human decency in multiple aspects, including posting about homophobic & racist topics along with working with fascist regions such as the KAISERREICH military, in order to accomplish your own wants in spite of the region as a whole. As Gameplay has clearly agreed that Pergamon could never be allowed to return due to his actions, nether should you, especially considering the massive PR damage you have caused to your own region. Until the offending individuals are removed from your region (including you), you hand off your Founder nation to someone else, and you and Co. all pursue a voluntary exile from NationStates, I will continue to pursue punitive action against the Federation.

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

Round 2 baby, let’s go!

Against, for obvious reasons. Will combat proposal in a later post. Seems like a rewrite of the original, with the same fascist name-slinging rhetoric...Only thing is, said evidence has aged another 2 months from then, and in those 2 months, the only person who said the n-word wasn’t residing within our region and was promptly banned shortly after...

I have thoroughly read through the last thread before posting this one, and I can confidently refer you to this well-written summary from Caracasus as to my reasons on why I disagree with your claims and don't believe you.

The main reason I'm seeking this Liberation is two-pronged: the behavior that you and your region was involved in was highly regrettable, and recently Gameplay entirely blacklisted a player known as Pergamon due to his In-Character actions. This player was also took a voluntary permanent retirement from NationStates. What this player's actions primarily encompassed were a long trend of actions against regional sovereignty in multiple aspects, including infiltration and invasion of regions, in order to accomplish his own wants in spite of the region as a whole. In a similar manner, you and Co. have engaged in a long trend of actions against basic human decency in multiple aspects, including posting about homophobic & racist topics along with working with fascist regions such as the KAISERREICH military, in order to accomplish your own wants in spite of the region as a whole. As Gameplay has clearly agreed that Pergamon could never be allowed to return due to his actions, nether should you, especially considering the massive PR damage you have caused to your own region. Until the offending individuals are removed from your region (including you), you hand off your Founder nation to someone else, and you and Co. all pursue a voluntary exile from NationStates, I will continue to pursue punitive action against the Federation.

idk man the last time was a giant boon for us.

[United Massachusetts]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=33279555
It's a she?

Don't call people "it."

If you would like to know what the flagrant homophobic and racist commentary was, feel free to either read this well-written summary from Caracasus or telegram Kavagrad for screenshots of the offending material.

The offending material was well-known, As I said before, most of the racism and awful behaviour has come from UCS traitors who are now kicked out. Caracasus , Prydania, and others came to understand with and agree with my plea to give the FCN a chance. Here's the basis of that plea:

With regards to the present SC at-vote, I actually know most of the FCN leadership, and you have to understand that there was recently a major purge of nations who attempted to DDoS the regional President. Most of these nations were the more "edgy" nations you hear about. And they've made great strides towards combating the more frightening elements within the region. Case in point -- the regional flag. Before the worse people were ejected, they forced the confederate flag. Now, without said elements, the flag has been reverted to a flag of liberty. The private channels referenced have been cooled off significantly, and the founder, a moderate conservative himself, has expressed excitement over this fact. Give the FCN a chance. They had the burden of being infested with awful people (and most regional regulars acknowledge as much), and, I've talked to the founder personally about the matter, he was actually relieved by the decline in questionable content. I have no doubt that this reform will continue, and we certainly shouldn't harden them with a liberation.

Does the FCN still have problems? Absolutely. Is is making progress? Yes, it is.

I should note that New Wald has told me that he's taking tighter charge in making reforms. This is certainly a wake-up, and I think it getting to vote might be enough motivation for FCN to make changes. As said above, the FCN was hijacked by alt-right, hateful forces. I think many of them engaged in strong social pressure on younger members of the region, of whom (perhaps, maybe no) Gagium is one.

It took way too long for the FCN to take action against them, yes. But I know New Waldensia. He is a friend of mine, and of upright character. We should give him and other senior FCN officials a chance. From the inside of this whole picture, it looks like this getting to vote has been enough of a wake-up call for them. I say we review the issue after having given the FCN a shot at reform, which will be significantly easier with the biggest abusers gone.

Again, my understanding is that fascists attempted to infiltrate and ultimately coup a region founded by moderate conservatives like New Wald. Unfortunately, there were so many of them that they had a profound effect on FCN culture at the time. So, with the offenders gone to UCS and New Wald saying he was going to take tighter charge, I said we should give it time and revisit the issue.

And here we are. To my knowledge, New Wald and Libervalley have taken control again, the flag is back, and the Discord has calmed down. Really, you can't punish a region for the hostile forces strangling it. We gave FCN a chance, and they cleaned up. Prove otherwise. Let's see what straws you pull together. Because at this point, La Nav, all of your resolutions appear to be standing on straws. That stupid war against SCUT. Your threat to liberate Right to Life. This is character assassination at its worst.

[La Navasse]

Again, my understanding is that fascists attempted to infiltrate and ultimately coup a region founded by moderate conservatives like New Wald. Unfortunately, there were so many of them that they had a profound effect on FCN culture at the time. So, with the offenders gone to UCS and New Wald saying he was going to take tighter charge, I said we should give it time and revisit the issue.

And here we are. To my knowledge, New Wald and Libervalley have taken control again, the flag is back, and the Discord has calmed down. Really, you can't punish a region for the hostile forces strangling it. We gave FCN a chance, and they cleaned up. Prove otherwise. Let's see what straws you pull together. Because at this point, La Nav, all of your resolutions appear to be standing on straws. That stupid war against SCUT. Your threat to liberate Right to Life. This is character assassination at its worst.

SCUT never was a resolution, and I would like to see where exactly I threatened to liberate Right to Life. Your argument is standing on straws at this point.

[United Massachusetts]

Round 2 baby, let’s go!

Against, for obvious reasons. Will combat proposal in a later post. Seems like a rewrite of the original, with the same fascist name-slinging rhetoric...Only thing is, said evidence has aged another 2 months from then, and in those 2 months, the only person who said the n-word wasn’t residing within our region and was promptly banned shortly after...

I have thoroughly read through the last thread before posting this one, and I can confidently refer you to this well-written summary from Caracasus as to my reasons on why I disagree with your claims and don't believe you.

The main reason I'm seeking this Liberation is two-pronged: the behavior that you and your region was involved in was highly regrettable, and recently Gameplay entirely blacklisted a player known as Pergamon due to his In-Character actions. This player was also took a voluntary permanent retirement from NationStates. What this player's actions primarily encompassed were a long trend of actions against regional sovereignty in multiple aspects, including infiltration and invasion of regions, in order to accomplish his own wants in spite of the region as a whole. In a similar manner, you and Co. have engaged in a long trend of actions against basic human decency in multiple aspects, including posting about homophobic & racist topics along with working with fascist regions such as the KAISERREICH military, in order to accomplish your own wants in spite of the region as a whole. As Gameplay has clearly agreed that Pergamon could never be allowed to return due to his actions, nether should you, especially considering the massive PR damage you have caused to your own region. Until the offending individuals are removed from your region (including you), you hand off your Founder nation to someone else, and you and Co. all pursue a voluntary exile from NationStates, I will continue to pursue punitive action against the Federation.

The text of your resolution very heavily implies that the whole region is fascistic. There were two players who made offending posts, and in my judgement, I think they were most likely egged on by the UCS crew. Though of course I don't think that justifies anything, maturity and peer pressure are factors that we have to consider, particularly in regions where fascists manipulated their way to power. So, has Gagium made offending posts after the incident? How much has LCN cleaned up its act?

I'm under the impression that it has, though I'd be open to looking at evidence to the contrary.

[United Massachusetts]

Again, my understanding is that fascists attempted to infiltrate and ultimately coup a region founded by moderate conservatives like New Wald. Unfortunately, there were so many of them that they had a profound effect on FCN culture at the time. So, with the offenders gone to UCS and New Wald saying he was going to take tighter charge, I said we should give it time and revisit the issue.

And here we are. To my knowledge, New Wald and Libervalley have taken control again, the flag is back, and the Discord has calmed down. Really, you can't punish a region for the hostile forces strangling it. We gave FCN a chance, and they cleaned up. Prove otherwise. Let's see what straws you pull together. Because at this point, La Nav, all of your resolutions appear to be standing on straws. That stupid war against SCUT. Your threat to liberate Right to Life. This is character assassination at its worst.

SCUT never was a resolution, and I would like to see where exactly I threatened to liberate Right to Life. Your argument is standing on straws at this point.

SCUT is not a resolution in the same way that this will be -- you didn't pass it. As for the second point, I could pull up DM evidence all day -- you told me you had plans countless times.

[La Navasse]

I have thoroughly read through the last thread before posting this one, and I can confidently refer you to this well-written summary from Caracasus as to my reasons on why I disagree with your claims and don't believe you.

The main reason I'm seeking this Liberation is two-pronged: the behavior that you and your region was involved in was highly regrettable, and recently Gameplay entirely blacklisted a player known as Pergamon due to his In-Character actions. This player was also took a voluntary permanent retirement from NationStates. What this player's actions primarily encompassed were a long trend of actions against regional sovereignty in multiple aspects, including infiltration and invasion of regions, in order to accomplish his own wants in spite of the region as a whole. In a similar manner, you and Co. have engaged in a long trend of actions against basic human decency in multiple aspects, including posting about homophobic & racist topics along with working with fascist regions such as the KAISERREICH military, in order to accomplish your own wants in spite of the region as a whole. As Gameplay has clearly agreed that Pergamon could never be allowed to return due to his actions, nether should you, especially considering the massive PR damage you have caused to your own region. Until the offending individuals are removed from your region (including you), you hand off your Founder nation to someone else, and you and Co. all pursue a voluntary exile from NationStates, I will continue to pursue punitive action against the Federation.

The text of your resolution very heavily implies that the whole region is fascistic. There were two players who made offending posts, and in my judgement, I think they were most likely egged on by the UCS crew. Though of course I don't think that justifies anything, maturity and peer pressure are factors that we have to consider, particularly in regions where fascists manipulated their way to power. So, has Gagium made offending posts after the incident? How much has LCN cleaned up its act?

I'm under the impression that it has, though I'd be open to looking at evidence to the contrary.

Has Pergamon infiltrated regions after the incident? How much has he cleaned up his act?

There are certain unforgivable actions that can occur, and the actions that Gagium and Co. has done are unforgivable in my opinion. I'm under the impression that they've only put up a show to make it seem like they were cleaning up, but either way, Gagium and Co. should not go off unpunished.

[Quebecshire]

My opinion on this is the same as it was beforehand.

This is nothing but further misuse of what is intended to be a tool for only the most repugnant of regions and only shows how there are extremists within the World Assembly which want to label innocently sovereign regions as the buzzwords of "fascist" or "Nazi" or one of the ismsAs . Quite honestly, I find it rather tragic, as these words lose their meaning and those who are really seeking to do harm to the communities now gain less focus.

Yes, I am aware of the FCN's raiding activities, so if you want to Liberate or oppose them, do it on that basis, but even so, under that circumstance, if the Defenders I have mainly interacted with truly stand by their principles of opposing raiding on a moral basis, then a Condemnation seems more in order than simply doing what you claim to stand against.

And if it comes down to your ideology, then you're nothing less than corrupt, and an abuser of the World Assembly and the tools of the international community.

As Chief Consul of my region, I've led my people through our Condemnations, and I once again extend my hand and advisement to the FCN if they desire it, and will be more than willing to bring this up to our government.

Also, it's always ironic, you'd think the people proposing these things would catch on about how it helps the target region more than it hurts...

[United Massachusetts]

The text of your resolution very heavily implies that the whole region is fascistic. There were two players who made offending posts, and in my judgement, I think they were most likely egged on by the UCS crew. Though of course I don't think that justifies anything, maturity and peer pressure are factors that we have to consider, particularly in regions where fascists manipulated their way to power. So, has Gagium made offending posts after the incident? How much has LCN cleaned up its act?

I'm under the impression that it has, though I'd be open to looking at evidence to the contrary.

Has Pergamon infiltrated regions after the incident? How much has he cleaned up his act?

There are certain unforgivable actions that can occur, and the actions that Gagium and Co. has done are unforgivable in my opinion. I'm under the impression that they've only put up a show to make it seem like they were cleaning up, but either way, Gagium and Co. should not go off unpunished.

You have no evidence to back up that claim. NPO has been reprimanded countless times before, and they didn't clean up their act. FCN was reprimanded once, and appears to have been making many changes in the right direction. Not comparable.

I'm weighing whether it's worth my time to bother debating you and exposing this whole scene (not that it hasn't been already), and I'm not sure. But I'm sure as hell not going to let New Wald get his name dragged through the mud again, this time by a badge-hunter.

[La Navasse]

Has Pergamon infiltrated regions after the incident? How much has he cleaned up his act?

There are certain unforgivable actions that can occur, and the actions that Gagium and Co. has done are unforgivable in my opinion. I'm under the impression that they've only put up a show to make it seem like they were cleaning up, but either way, Gagium and Co. should not go off unpunished.

You have no evidence to back up that claim. NPO has been reprimanded countless times before, and they didn't clean up their act. FCN was reprimanded once, and appears to have been making many changes in the right direction. Not comparable.

I'm weighing whether it's worth my time to bother debating you and exposing this whole scene, and I'm not sure. But I'm sure as hell not going to let New Wald get his name dragged through the mud again, this time by a badge-hunter.

FCN has been doing these unforgivable actions for some time, and often. Being reprimanded "once" doesn't mean they haven't been doing such activity countless times before, it just means they weren't caught until then. You have no evidence to support your own impressions, nor do you have any backing for your beliefs and thought on "exposing this whole scene." I'm arguing on the basis of unforgivable action, and the action being continued is only a bonus to the many reasons of why my resolution should be passed.

[United Massachusetts]

You have no evidence to back up that claim. NPO has been reprimanded countless times before, and they didn't clean up their act. FCN was reprimanded once, and appears to have been making many changes in the right direction. Not comparable.

I'm weighing whether it's worth my time to bother debating you and exposing this whole scene, and I'm not sure. But I'm sure as hell not going to let New Wald get his name dragged through the mud again, this time by a badge-hunter.

FCN has been doing these unforgivable actions for some time, and often. Being reprimanded "once" doesn't mean they haven't been doing such activity countless times before, it just means they weren't caught until then. You have no evidence to support your own impressions, nor do you have any backing for your beliefs and thought on "exposing this whole scene." I'm arguing on the basis of unforgivable action, and the action being continued is only a bonus to the many reasons of why my resolution should be passed.

The primary driver of change in FCN was the expulsion of the fascists. We've already agreed that they should have acted more quickly, but the fascists had taken such a grip that it became hard to do (particularly with many of the admins not being active participants in the spammy, more offensive channels. You have no evidence that this is being continued in FCN, and the burden of proof absolutely lies on you to advance your conspiracy theory that FCN is just playing nice to stay under the radar. The very post you cited in your OP praised the actions of New Wald and his bloc, including the now President Libervalley.

The legitimately dangerous offenders are gone. The impressionable ones have cleaned up their act. The region hasn't exhibited signs of offensive behaviour. The leading proponents of decency in the region now lead it.

Enough.