Liberate Northern Redlands

[Silver Lined Clouds]

Another bit of interesting evidence:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1108090

This is the first, and only, edition of the regional newspaper. Its mainly about the region's rps, but go down to the bottom and you'll find some pretty appalling anti=semitic "jokes".

[Thuzbekistan]

Support.

Antifa are griefers with a thin varnish of political bullshit to justify their empire-building. Any attempt to frustrate them is worthwhile, in my opinion.

So are you saying that fascists are allowed to go scot-free because we want to frustrate antifa?

You're the one that's full of bullshit

Yourevassuming they are fascist. You go prove that they are. Find some racist or someone saying they are a fascist.

[Thuzbekistan]

Another bit of interesting evidence:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1108090

This is the first, and only, edition of the regional newspaper. Its mainly about the region's rps, but go down to the bottom and you'll find some pretty appalling anti=semitic "jokes".

Look like some low tier memes. From 2 months ago. Made by a CTE nation. Buzz off.

[Anarchic Turkish States]

Another bit of interesting evidence:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1108090

This is the first, and only, edition of the regional newspaper. Its mainly about the region's rps, but go down to the bottom and you'll find some pretty appalling anti=semitic "jokes".

So are you saying that fascists are allowed to go scot-free because we want to frustrate antifa?

You're the one that's full of bullshit

Yourevassuming they are fascist. You go prove that they are. Find some racist or someone saying they are a fascist.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=33731653

[Anarchic Turkish States]

Another bit of interesting evidence:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1108090

This is the first, and only, edition of the regional newspaper. Its mainly about the region's rps, but go down to the bottom and you'll find some pretty appalling anti=semitic "jokes".

Look like some low tier memes. From 2 months ago. Made by a CTE nation. Buzz off.

The nation was the founder of Northern Redlands

[Thuzbekistan]

I actually just read all 12 pages of their rmb
They dont deserve to exist for their treatment of mods and their "Jews are to blame" crap. While I doubt these are actually fascists and are probs just edgy teens, they dont deserve defense.

[Anarchic Turkish States]

I actually just read all 12 pages of their rmb
They dont deserve to exist for their treatment of mods and their "Jews are to blame" crap. While I doubt these are actually fascists and are probs just edgy teens, they dont deserve defense.

OK

[West Leas Oros 2]

Id argue that the SC doesn't need to get involved, but rather internal government within the regions should try to moderate RMB and other things more effectively

[Kranostav]

I find it amusing that people's automatic reaction to an accusation of fascism is that the region must prove itself to be not fascist, totally ignoring any presumption of 'innocence' in this case. I wonder if MT army and affiliates sensed the liberation wasn't going to pass so went ahead with the raid, the reaction of the SC and lack of proof nonwithstanding.

Regardless, I support this. The point has been made by the invasion that we don't approve of fascism, let's not grief this innocuous RP region anymore.

[Lyrical International Brigade]

...I wonder if MT army and affiliates sensed the liberation wasn't going to pass so went ahead with the raid, the reaction of the SC and lack of proof nonwithstanding.

For the record, those affiliates include your own region's North Pacific Army, who acquitted themselves extremely well. They deemed the evidence sufficient to send a large contingent on the jump.

The other liberation resolution became moot when an MT operative acquired the password... not the other way around.

[West Leas Oros 2]

...I wonder if MT army and affiliates sensed the liberation wasn't going to pass so went ahead with the raid, the reaction of the SC and lack of proof nonwithstanding.

For the record, those affiliates include your own region's North Pacific Army, who acquitted themselves extremely well. They deemed the evidence sufficient to send a large contingent on the jump.

The other liberation resolution became moot when an MT operative acquired the password... not the other way around.

Why do we even work with the MT Army? Has the SC become an MT Army military branch? Just saying.

[Kranostav]

...I wonder if MT army and affiliates sensed the liberation wasn't going to pass so went ahead with the raid, the reaction of the SC and lack of proof nonwithstanding.

For the record, those affiliates include your own region's North Pacific Army, who acquitted themselves extremely well. They deemed the evidence sufficient to send a large contingent on the jump.

The other liberation resolution became moot when an MT operative acquired the password... not the other way around.

I am very aware of the military functions of TNP, however that doesn't mean I automatically support all their efforts with blind loyalty. I simply suggested that when the liberation was clearly not garnering support, MT army tried different routes to get around the password.

Regardless it seemed like the antifash R/D community was a little trigger happy on this one.

[Cormactopia Prime]

I find it amusing that people's automatic reaction to an accusation of fascism is that the region must prove itself to be not fascist, totally ignoring any presumption of 'innocence' in this case. I wonder if MT army and affiliates sensed the liberation wasn't going to pass so went ahead with the raid, the reaction of the SC and lack of proof nonwithstanding.

Regardless, I support this. The point has been made by the invasion that we don't approve of fascism, let's not grief this innocuous RP region anymore.

I'm curious if the Delegate of The North Pacific is aware his Minister of World Assembly Affairs is supporting a proposal that would undermine a military operation that was presumably conducted with the approval of his Minister of Defense, or perhaps with the Delegate's own approval.

I don't care either way, as I have no personal stake in this. I'm just curious because it's extremely odd for a government minister to be opposing his own government's actions in the Security Council, especially when he is the government minister responsible for the region's WA affairs.

[New Bremerton]

Full support.

Northern Redlands has just been raided and destroyed by self-proclaimed "anti-fascists" who were clearly barking up the wrong tree. Liberation or no liberation, UCRs are now in the firing line for even the most minor of transgressions. No one who is in a UCR is truly safe.

NR was raided for the "crime" of having embassies with fascist regions, as if this kind of thing doesn't happen IRL all the time between democracies and dictatorships, for having the f-word as one of their tags, as well as for being politically and ideologically diverse and inclusive. Their so-called "evidence" doesn't actually prove a damn thing.

This is nothing more than a political witch hunt based on the flimsiest of pretexts, similar to what's been happening to FCN lately, with scant regard for due process and the principle of innocent until proven guilty. If NS Antifa/The MT Army had raided an openly and exclusively fascist region such as CCD, they would have enjoyed my full support.

I was wrong to give NS Antifa and The MT Army the benefit of the doubt in an attempt to clear things up with NSLeft as a whole. I suspect these groups would raid the Federation of Conservative Nations, another non-fascist region that has been working very hard to clean up its act for months now if given the chance. This is a complete and utter travesty of justice and these so-called "anti-fascist" raiders should be condemned and held accountable for their wanton aggression against innocent non-fascist regions such as this one.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I find it amusing that people's automatic reaction to an accusation of fascism is that the region must prove itself to be not fascist, totally ignoring any presumption of 'innocence' in this case. I wonder if MT army and affiliates sensed the liberation wasn't going to pass so went ahead with the raid, the reaction of the SC and lack of proof nonwithstanding.

Regardless, I support this. The point has been made by the invasion that we don't approve of fascism, let's not grief this innocuous RP region anymore.

I'm curious if the Delegate of The North Pacific is aware his Minister of World Assembly Affairs is supporting a proposal that would undermine a military operation that was presumably conducted with the approval of his Minister of Defense, or perhaps with the Delegate's own approval.

I don't care either way, as I have no personal stake in this. I'm just curious because it's extremely odd for a government minister to be opposing his own government's actions in the Security Council, especially when he is the government minister responsible for the region's WA affairs.

It's good to see at least one minister in that region with the character to not blindly follow Antifa; non-fascists who oppose Antifa are sadly rare these days.

[Thuzbekistan]

I'm curious if the Delegate of The North Pacific is aware his Minister of World Assembly Affairs is supporting a proposal that would undermine a military operation that was presumably conducted with the approval of his Minister of Defense, or perhaps with the Delegate's own approval.

I don't care either way, as I have no personal stake in this. I'm just curious because it's extremely odd for a government minister to be opposing his own government's actions in the Security Council, especially when he is the government minister responsible for the region's WA affairs.

It's good to see at least one minister in that region with the character to not blindly follow Antifa; non-fascists who oppose Antifa are sadly rare these days.

True that.

[Kranostav]

I find it amusing that people's automatic reaction to an accusation of fascism is that the region must prove itself to be not fascist, totally ignoring any presumption of 'innocence' in this case. I wonder if MT army and affiliates sensed the liberation wasn't going to pass so went ahead with the raid, the reaction of the SC and lack of proof nonwithstanding.

Regardless, I support this. The point has been made by the invasion that we don't approve of fascism, let's not grief this innocuous RP region anymore.

I'm curious if the Delegate of The North Pacific is aware his Minister of World Assembly Affairs is supporting a proposal that would undermine a military operation that was presumably conducted with the approval of his Minister of Defense, or perhaps with the Delegate's own approval.

I don't care either way, as I have no personal stake in this. I'm just curious because it's extremely odd for a government minister to be opposing his own government's actions in the Security Council, especially when he is the government minister responsible for the region's WA affairs.

The ministry with various local WA nations as a collective was against the liberation. It was seen as unnecessary and misguided. However a support of this liberation which would retroactively free a region who was sacked by TNP amoung others isn't undermining it's military operation, it's giving the region a second chance. The military op will be effectivrly complete when this is put into effect (assuming it passes). Perhaps NR could use this forced refounding as a way get a fresh start with the NS community and for people to understand who they are.

[Lyrical International Brigade]

...Perhaps NR could use this forced refounding as a way get a fresh start with the NS community and for people to understand who they are.

The rest of us are already pretty clear about "who they are."

[Kranostav]

...Perhaps NR could use this forced refounding as a way get a fresh start with the NS community and for people to understand who they are.

The rest of us are already pretty clear about "who they are."

As disgusting and distasteful that rmb comment it, it doesn't represent a whole region and what they collectively stand for. Nor does it warrant a liberation.

[Kranostav]

Perhaps my point is being lost here. So, let me clear this up. Antisemitism and Nazism in all its form is disgusting and not okay. I think we all agree on that.

I'll give that Northern Redlands stepping out of line and local administration should have done more to combat items expressed in the rmb and dispatches of the regional residents. However, NR wasn't spreading hate across NS and wasn't contributing to a greater R/D Nazi effort, so why not liberate them and give them a second chance (with the liberation in place so that if they step out of line they can be sacked again). Total regional destruction of RP communities isn't a great thing to see for anyone, and I think this would be the best way to try and correct behavior.

Just my 2 cents, and to clear up my position.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

I'm curious if the Delegate of The North Pacific is aware his Minister of World Assembly Affairs is supporting a proposal that would undermine a military operation that was presumably conducted with the approval of his Minister of Defense, or perhaps with the Delegate's own approval.

I don't care either way, as I have no personal stake in this. I'm just curious because it's extremely odd for a government minister to be opposing his own government's actions in the Security Council, especially when he is the government minister responsible for the region's WA affairs.

The ministry with various local WA nations as a collective was against the liberation. It was seen as unnecessary and misguided. However a support of this liberation which would retroactively free a region who was sacked by TNP amoung others isn't undermining it's military operation, it's giving the region a second chance. The military op will be effectivrly complete when this is put into effect (assuming it passes). Perhaps NR could use this forced refounding as a way get a fresh start with the NS community and for people to understand who they are.

It's definitely undermining the operation. Attempting to stop an occupation is definitely undermining it.

Still support the proposal (although more on the fence.) Don't think there is enough justification for it.

[Greater Gilead]

We had embassies with them, and now I am very worried that we will be targets.
I and all of Kerbin System will fight for this resolution. I'm tired of getting bashed by these people who can't stand anything besides anarchy.

[Thuzbekistan]

We had embassies with them, and now I am very worried that we will be targets.
I and all of Kerbin System will fight for this resolution. I'm tired of getting bashed by these people who can't stand anything besides anarchy.

Your region literally has 5 people

[New Bremerton]

We had embassies with them, and now I am very worried that we will be targets.
I and all of Kerbin System will fight for this resolution. I'm tired of getting bashed by these people who can't stand anything besides anarchy.

No peaceful, innocent UCR should have to live in such paralyzing fear, liberation or no liberation. These irresponsible ideologues must be punished for their aggression based on unfounded allegations of fascism.

[North Soviet EastAsia]

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