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Postby Caracasus » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:50 am

Jocospor wrote:
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I'll take your faint jab at me as you not actually having a concrete rebuttal for any of the points raised regarding this then?


If a respected man kills another, and the only witness was a common scoundrel, did the respected man still kill?

It's not a question of reputation. We've presented the facts. Now you must objectively weigh them.


If a person, when pressed to respond to criticisms raised regarding the legitimacy of their arguments responds by pulling an analogy out of their arse have they addressed the question?

So yeah, no actual rebuttal for the multitude of points raised on these facts of yours. Ok then.
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Postby Jocospor » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:00 am

Caracasus wrote:
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If a respected man kills another, and the only witness was a common scoundrel, did the respected man still kill?

It's not a question of reputation. We've presented the facts. Now you must objectively weigh them.


If a person, when pressed to respond to criticisms raised regarding the legitimacy of their arguments responds by pulling an analogy out of their arse have they addressed the question?

So yeah, no actual rebuttal for the multitude of points raised on these facts of yours. Ok then.


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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:23 am

Is the fact that Jocospor (unintentionally?) refers to SC#233 "Commend Zwangzug" repeatedly in his proposal meant to be concerning? :P
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Postby Caracasus » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:27 am

Tinhampton wrote:Is the fact that Jocospor (unintentionally?) refers to SC#233 "Commend Zwangzug" repeatedly in his proposal meant to be concerning? :P


Wow. Even by the author's standards, that's a bad one.
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Postby Jocospor » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:29 am

Caracasus wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Is the fact that Jocospor (unintentionally?) refers to SC#233 "Commend Zwangzug" repeatedly in his proposal meant to be concerning? :P


Wow. Even by the author's standards, that's a bad one.

...

Haha. Gottem.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:34 am

I'm strongly against this proposal, and I shall vote 'AGAINST' should it reach the voting floor. It most likely won't considering the violation of Rule 3 noted by Wrapper.
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Postby Wrapper » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:39 am

Tinhampton wrote:Is the fact that Jocospor (unintentionally?) refers to SC#233 "Commend Zwangzug" repeatedly in his proposal meant to be concerning? :P

Indeed. Having this error in the last line makes this illegal (Rule 3). The proposal must have an active clause that states what the proposal actually does.

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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:02 am

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United Massachusetts wrote:If the author writes a good resolution (like his present GA draft), we should get behind it. This blacklisting of authors is at best immature. People can change.

Pppphhhhtttttttt.... Jocospor? Change? HAHAHAHAHA. He changes the least. Just look at all his forum posts and the fact his region is still trying to commend itself. No, Jocospor and through extension CCD won't change.


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United Massachusetts wrote:If the author writes a good resolution (like his present GA draft), we should get behind it. This blacklisting of authors is at best immature. People can change.

It's just politics. Considering that this website is a political simulator, politics shouldn't be surprising. Why should I let someone who I politically dislike author a SC resolution?
If he writes a GA resolution, on the other hand, I'll be willing to judge that on it's merits.

Jocospor has just tried drafting a GA proposal, and behaved reasonably throughout that thread.
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Postby Caracasus » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:06 am

Jocospor wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Wow. Even by the author's standards, that's a bad one.

...

Haha. Gottem.


Okay yeah. That was a bit on the nose and uncalled for. My apologies.
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Postby The Tri State Area and Maine » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:20 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Kuriko wrote:Pppphhhhtttttttt.... Jocospor? Change? HAHAHAHAHA. He changes the least. Just look at all his forum posts and the fact his region is still trying to commend itself. No, Jocospor and through extension CCD won't change.


The Tri State Area and Maine wrote:It's just politics. Considering that this website is a political simulator, politics shouldn't be surprising. Why should I let someone who I politically dislike author a SC resolution?
If he writes a GA resolution, on the other hand, I'll be willing to judge that on it's merits.

Jocospor has just tried drafting a GA proposal, and behaved reasonably throughout that thread.


1. As I said, the GA is different.
2. Either way, that doesn't change the fact that, politically, I have no reason to want the author to successfully pass a SC resolution. The content of the proposal, their actions, etc, mean nothing.

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Postby Kuriko » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:44 am

This was ruled illegal, so *shrugs*
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Postby Jocospor » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:34 pm

We were waiting for this to be ruled illegal before we withdrew it. Now that it has (and we thank the General Secretariat for their swift intervention), this proposal shall be corrected and immediately resubmitted.

It's regrettable that we missed this typo, and that others did too - until the proposal had been submitted and a campaign sent out, of course. Never mind. Within the hour, this shall be remedied.

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Postby Wrapper » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:19 pm

Jocospor wrote:(and we thank the General Secretariat for their swift intervention)

For the record, GenSec has nothing to do with the SC. The moderators are the ones who mark SC proposals legal/illegal.

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Postby Wrapper » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:24 pm

Also, missed one:

Insulted that SC#233 would commend I.A.

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Postby Jocospor » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:37 pm

Wrapper wrote:Also, missed one:

Insulted that SC#233 would commend I.A.

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We'll leave this proposal as it is. It's quite clear that the proposal refers to SCR#223 and any reasonable nation would be able to understand that clause has a typo. Besides, it's a bit of an Easter egg at this point.

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Postby Wrapper » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:41 pm

Jocospor wrote:Our thanks to Wrapper for their timely support.

Support? Pfffft. Totally against this. No love lost between myself and IA but I find your arguments wholly inadequate.

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Postby New Excalibus » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:43 pm

This is amusing, to say the least.
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Postby Jocospor » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:46 pm

Wrapper wrote:
Jocospor wrote:Our thanks to Wrapper for their timely support.

Support? Pfffft. Totally against this. No love lost between myself and IA but I find your arguments wholly inadequate.

On the contrary, you have supported us through your objectivity. For that, we are grateful.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:07 pm

Against, because I'm a forty-something estrogen-fuelled wreck with nothing better to do.
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Postby The Church of Satan » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:27 pm

I'm against this on general principle.
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Postby Lyrical International Brigade » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:55 pm

Jocospor wrote:...It's a lavish, passionately incensed response that tells everyone all they need to know, really.
(emphasis added)


:rofl:

You know words have actual meanings, right? What's next, condemning Ben Carson for being too jazzed up and intense? This might be the worst abuse of language since the OED surrendered "literally."
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Postby Jocospor » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:11 am

Lyrical International Brigade wrote:
Jocospor wrote:...It's a lavish, passionately incensed response that tells everyone all they need to know, really.
(emphasis added)


:rofl:

You know words have actual meanings, right? What's next, condemning Ben Carson for being too jazzed up and intense? This might be the worst abuse of language since the OED surrendered "literally."


You have an issue with our use of the phrase passionately incensed?
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Postby United Republic Empire » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:28 am

It's up to 50 approvals so far.
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Postby Borovan entered the region as he » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:30 am

United Republic Empire wrote:It's up to 50 approvals so far.

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Postby Jakker » Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:40 am

I personally marked the proposal as a 2(c) violation for this clause:

"Reminding this Security Council that the lauded Communiqué detailed in SCR#223 is fundamentally of a misleading nature, that being that telegram recipients’ identities are hidden from one another, and has been used by I.A. maliciously."

It appears to argue that Communiqué performs tasks that are illegal, which would fall under a 2c violation.
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