[DEFEATED] Repeal: Commend Imperium Anglorum

[Prydania]

This was pointed out to you once before. People like IA get stuff done in this game because they network with people and are willing to compromise with people to build communities like WALL. You and your region’s antagonistic approach to...well...everything will always leave you with less influence then those who don’t go out of their way to be antagonistic players. So rather than mock people you’re angry at and stomp your feet like a child who absconded with mom’s credit card? You could try to actually reach out and built networks with people. Like IA has done.

OOC: I, along with my government, have built a community: the Confederation. That might not be a community you're in, or want to be a part of, but it's still a community, and the residents of the Confederation will tell you that they're very happy to be where they are. We've plenty of embassies with region's that the GCRs and I.A.'s Europe wouldn't waste their time with. We're dedicated to role-play across a wide variety of platforms.

If our approach is epitomised by this resolution, then we've been led to such an approach as a last resort. We've seen the problems, and now we think it's time to propose fixes. Do you imagine that one day the Confederation just magically woke up and decided it would target I.A. for no apparent reason?

There is living proof in the General Assembly's voting flaws as to why this resolution is more relevant now than ever.

And, yet again:

Really, that argument is pretty stupid, if you think about it (which, I'm sure my accusers haven't). It costs approximately $1.30 to send a telegram to all regional delegates. I must have sent, what, no more than 20 telegrams to that category in my playing of NationStates. So that brings the sum up to $26.00. You'd spend more on a nice lunch than I have over 3 years. But wait, there's more. A lot of the Confederation's telegram stamps are donated by its nations, and the load is spread evenly amongst our government. So, if that's the case, that cumulative $26.00 becomes $4.33 for each Supreme Council nation.

If anyone truly believes that $4.33 is "shitloads of money", I've no idea how you're affording your ISP to play NationStates.

I’ve seen your embassy list. IA is commendable for not wanting anything to do with the IRL Nazis you buddy up with. And no. I wouldn’t want to be part of a community that openly declares I’m a subhuman. Your community is a disgrace.

And since you don’t seem to get it? This is all OOC because SC threads are all OOC.

[United Massachusetts]

OOC: I, along with my government, have built a community: the Confederation. That might not be a community you're in, or want to be a part of, but it's still a community, and the residents of the Confederation will tell you that they're very happy to be where they are. We've plenty of embassies with region's that the GCRs and I.A.'s Europe wouldn't waste their time with. We're dedicated to role-play across a wide variety of platforms.

If our approach is epitomised by this resolution, then we've been led to such an approach as a last resort. We've seen the problems, and now we think it's time to propose fixes. Do you imagine that one day the Confederation just magically woke up and decided it would target I.A. for no apparent reason?

There is living proof in the General Assembly's voting flaws as to why this resolution is more relevant now than ever.

And, yet again:

I’ve seen your embassy list. IA is commendable for not wanting anything to do with the IRL Nazis you buddy up with. And no. I wouldn’t want to be part of a community that openly declares I’m a subhuman. Your community is a disgrace.

And since you don’t seem to get it? This is all OOC because SC threads are all OOC.

While I am sympathetic to what you're saying, Prydania, I'm haven't seen the evidence yet that CCD has a RL fascist community or contains Nazis. As I've said and done, I take all claims in this regard seriously, not to discount you, but just to be careful. Has this evidence been supplied?

Or is your concern w/ CCD more about the embassy list?

[Blood Wine]

Face the facts jocospor, with your GP reputation as a nazi sympathizer this will never pass

[Prydania]

While I am sympathetic to what you're saying, Prydania, I'm haven't seen the evidence yet that CCD has a RL fascist community or contains Nazis. As I've said and done, I take all claims in this regard seriously, not to discount you, but just to be careful. Has this evidence been supplied?

Or is your concern w/ CCD more about the embassy list?

The embassy list is pretty telling but there's also this...

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=22973759

[THIS TELEGRAM WAS JUST WIRED TO CAIN UNITED]

To the Community of CAIN United,

Our apologies for radio silence. The Imperial Empire has only just returned to NationStates after a foreseen leave of absence.

The Confederation respects your region's goals and commends you for your continuing mission.

Nonetheless, the Confederation does not share in your dislike of Nazis. We are strong supporters of fascism and find that Nazi ideologies are of benefit to both our government and the wider world.

The Confederation will not be bullied into believing otherwise and politely invites you to cease your hollow threats.

Sincerely,

Viceroy's Office
on behalf of
WALTER MEMMON
VICEROY OF THE CONFEDERATION

https://i.imgur.com/2Dk6ARJ.png

[Blood Wine]

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Thanks for backing up my point

[Jocospor]

While I am sympathetic to what you're saying, Prydania, I'm haven't seen the evidence yet that CCD has a RL fascist community or contains Nazis. As I've said and done, I take all claims in this regard seriously, not to discount you, but just to be careful. Has this evidence been supplied?

Or is your concern w/ CCD more about the embassy list?

The embassy list is pretty telling but there's also this...

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=22973759

[THIS TELEGRAM WAS JUST WIRED TO CAIN UNITED]

To the Community of CAIN United,

Our apologies for radio silence. The Imperial Empire has only just returned to NationStates after a foreseen leave of absence.

The Confederation respects your region's goals and commends you for your continuing mission.

Nonetheless, the Confederation does not share in your dislike of Nazis. We are strong supporters of fascism and find that Nazi ideologies are of benefit to both our government and the wider world.

The Confederation will not be bullied into believing otherwise and politely invites you to cease your hollow threats.

Sincerely,

Viceroy's Office
on behalf of
WALTER MEMMON
VICEROY OF THE CONFEDERATION

https://i.imgur.com/2Dk6ARJ.png

OOC:

1. "Strong supporters of fascism..." - we should probably have clarified that as fascist governments (if you bother to look closely (which you won't), you'll see that the Confederation's government is more authoritarian than anything). Being a dictatorial region, of course we will support those who chose to role-play as fascists. Besides, fascism isn't synonymous with Nazism.
   
2. "...and find that Nazi ideologies are of benefit to both our government and the wider world." Nazi ideologies, not Nazism. Anti-democratic thought was a Nazi ideology, just as it was adopted by the Soviets, and is encouraged in the Confederation.
   
3. A post more than 2 years old...? Gee, that's current.

[Blood Wine]

OOC:

1. "Strong supporters of fascism..." - we should probably have clarified that as fascist governments (if you bother to look closely (which you won't), you'll see that the Confederation's government is more authoritarian than anything). Being a dictatorial region, of course we will support those who chose to role-play as fascists. Besides, fascism isn't synonymous with Nazism.
   
2. "...and find that Nazi ideologies are of benefit to both our government and the wider world." Nazi ideologies, not Nazism. Anti-democratic thought was a Nazi ideology, just as it was adopted by the Soviets, and is encouraged in the Confederation.
   
3. A post more than 2 years old...? Gee, that's current.

1. I wouldn't be so opposed if it was just fascism, i still wouldn't like you but I wouldn't be blocking your endavors like I currently am. However...
2. The nazi ideology is "kill the jews" and "preserve the aryan race"
3. This would be a valid point if you didn't still believe it. If you think it's no longer relevant please renounce it

[Jocospor]

OOC:

1. "Strong supporters of fascism..." - we should probably have clarified that as fascist governments (if you bother to look closely (which you won't), you'll see that the Confederation's government is more authoritarian than anything). Being a dictatorial region, of course we will support those who chose to role-play as fascists. Besides, fascism isn't synonymous with Nazism.
   
2. "...and find that Nazi ideologies are of benefit to both our government and the wider world." Nazi ideologies, not Nazism. Anti-democratic thought was a Nazi ideology, just as it was adopted by the Soviets, and is encouraged in the Confederation.
   
3. A post more than 2 years old...? Gee, that's current.

1. I wouldn't be so opposed if it was just fascism, i still wouldn't like you but I wouldn't be blocking your endavors like I currently am. However...
2. The nazi ideology is "kill the jews" and "preserve the aryan race"
3. This would be a valid point if you didn't still believe it. If you think it's no longer relevant please renounce it

OOC:

1. Well, I'm sure I won't convince you personally to stop hating the Confederation, so I won't bother.
2. Again, we said "Nazi ideologies" - not "the Nazi ideology" or "Nazism". I assure you, there is no racism in the Confederation. You are welcome to investigate my claim.
3. In a way I have renounced this. It was an old communication that I don't necessarily believe holds true today, and I don't think it ever held true in the way you and others are interpreting it. The Confederation has taken many different turns since its rise to power; only today did we remove our Anti-Communist tag. Even our community, though labelled a disgrace, can be progressive.

Anyway, again, this is hopelessly off topic. The discussion here is not the Confederation, it's government, or even daddy's credit card. The business at hand here is the repeal of I.A.'s commendation. I am grateful to report that, as of now, the proposal requires only 4 more signatures to reach quorum. My thanks to those who have signed off on it.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

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Thanks for backing up my point

You might want to address the contents of the proposal, rather than your dislike of the author.

[Blood Wine]

Discussing the author is fully ontopic. His reputation is sinking any chance at this passing afterall

[Ruskland-Preuben]

For, because he’s just a few more away from succeeding and I want to see where this goes.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

For, because many of his recent resolutions do more good than bad, and create unnecessary obstacles, all while utilising resolution titles that appear to help him gain support, simply because many nations only read the title and don't even read the resolution

eg: One of his resolutions was called "Saving innocent lives" or something, which basically makes it impossible to sentence someone to death or even arrest someone. One of the sections talked about "needing at least one year to gather evidence before sentencing the accused" which unnecessarily slows down the entire justice system (so what, a serial killer kills like 12 people in front of the police, and deserves to die, and now we have to wait a year to gather "evidence"?). Another part of the resolution effectively doesn't allow nations under the population of one million to sentence people to death, which is a complete violation of the sovereignty of smaller nations

And even then it doesn't exactly work! There are so many loopholes. Sending someone into a wave of enemy bullets without a gun or sentencing them to hard labour where they either die of overworking or "accidentally" get crushed by a rock does the trick, and it doesn't count as execution does it?

And his latest one is just plain lazy, and causes many problems by itself, and is overall irrelevant. What, you can't deprive them the right to vote and yet you can still arrest them for debt? And how would this apply in Autocratic or Oligarchic nations?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Discussing the author is fully ontopic. His reputation is sinking any chance at this passing afterall

So if I get permission, and go submit myself (I do, after all, agree with the proposal), you'd support?

[ShrewLlamaLand]

You could try to actually reach out and built networks with people. Like IA has done.

You know that we have built networks with many other regions, right?
However, I do see your point here, and I think there is some merit to it. We'll build our own WALL. 10 feet higher!

Discussing the author is fully ontopic. His reputation is sinking any chance at this passing afterall

Given that you've said a lot in this thread, but not once have you actually adressed the proposal, allow me to translate this for you: "I don't actually have anything against this resolution but I want it to fail because I don't like Jocospor".

[Ruskland-Preuben]

You could try to actually reach out and built networks with people. Like IA has done.

You know that we have built networks with many other regions, right?
However, I do see your point here, and I think there is some merit to it. We'll build our own WALL. 10 feet higher!

Make sure WALL pays for it.

[Blood Wine]

Discussing the author is fully ontopic. His reputation is sinking any chance at this passing afterall

So if I get permission, and go submit myself (I do, after all, agree with the proposal), you'd support?

There are a few minor issues I'd adress, but theoretically yes

[Greater vakolicci haven]

So if I get permission, and go submit myself (I do, after all, agree with the proposal), you'd support?

There are a few minor issues I'd adress, but theoretically yes

That's nonsensical. The important thing is what's contained within the proposal, not the person who wrote it. What does it matter who writes words if you agree with them?

[Kuriko]

You could try to actually reach out and built networks with people. Like IA has done.

You know that we have built networks with many other regions, right?
However, I do see your point here, and I think there is some merit to it. We'll build our own WALL. 10 feet higher!

Discussing the author is fully ontopic. His reputation is sinking any chance at this passing afterall

Given that you've said a lot in this thread, but not once have you actually adressed the proposal, allow me to translate this for you: "I don't actually have anything against this resolution but I want it to fail because I don't like Jocospor".

I highly doubt you would be able to get two GCRs to work with a fascist region on WA affairs, or any other responsible UCR for that matter. The only regions that would be willing to work with you are those without a conscience on what's right and what's wrong, especially since fascism is wrong.

[Jocospor]

You know that we have built networks with many other regions, right?
However, I do see your point here, and I think there is some merit to it. We'll build our own WALL. 10 feet higher!


Given that you've said a lot in this thread, but not once have you actually adressed the proposal, allow me to translate this for you: "I don't actually have anything against this resolution but I want it to fail because I don't like Jocospor".

I highly doubt you would be able to get two GCRs to work with a fascist region on WA affairs, or any other responsible UCR for that matter. The only regions that would be willing to work with you are those without a conscience on what's right and what's wrong, especially since fascism is wrong.

OOC: Kuriko (and others), please stop discussing things that aren't related to the proposal. Though, if I were you, I wouldn't go around using broad slanders like that. You don't know who we work with when it comes to the WA.

Back to the proposal, cheers.

[Bearstin]

I support this

[The New California Republic]

I highly doubt you would be able to get two GCRs to work with a fascist region on WA affairs, or any other responsible UCR for that matter. The only regions that would be willing to work with you are those without a conscience on what's right and what's wrong, especially since fascism is wrong.

OOC: if I were you, I wouldn't go around using broad slanders like that.

OOC: How the fuck is that slander?

[The Black Party]

I would vote against, but there's no point in just taking another trashing in the WA. This would never pass unless there is some massive geopolitical shift.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

OOC: if I were you, I wouldn't go around using broad slanders like that.

OOC: How the fuck is that slander?

OOC: Yeesh, no need to swear about it

[The New California Republic]

OOC: How the fuck is that slander?

OOC: Yeesh, no need to swear about it

OOC: Expressing my exasperation at the constant accusations of various things coming from J.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

OOC: Yeesh, no need to swear about it

OOC: Expressing my exasperation at the constant accusations of various things coming from J.

OOC: I think what he is expressing, which I don't agree with, is that you suggested that the approving delegates did not make up there minds but were only swayed by a campaign.