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[PROPOSAL] COMMEND KURIKO

Postby Indusse » Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:47 am

COMMEND KURIKO


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PROPOSAL

RECOGNIZING the nation Kuriko as the WAD of 10000 Islands and active WA user.

RESEARCHING his contributions to the security council as successful proposals using the nations Kuriko and lenyvit.

UNDERSTANDING his knowledge, creativity, and leadership in NationStates roleplay, in both in character and out of character aspects, for security council and the forums.

HEREBY praises the person behind the nation of Kuriko and recognizes his achievements , interest in world assembly and his knowledge in various aspects with a commendation from the World Assembly.
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Postby Mysterious Wonder » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:03 am

I believe Kuriko has done a great job as the 1000 Islands WA Delegate. When I read the description, I felt it was not descriptive enough to satisfy someone like me. I don't know much other that they are WA Delegate. I recommend adding a little bit more to help strengthen your proposal. I'll support it once that is met. This is nothing against Kuriko at all. In fact when I spoke to them the other day, they were very helpful. So you add more to the proposal, I'll support it.
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:24 am

Rule 4, section B, means you cannot use pronouns to refer to a nation. It must be written from the perspective of the WA, and the WA is not an OOC body. It commends or condemns nations, not players.

Minor quibble -- Kuriko identifies as female, so the "he" pronouns are not correct, even if they are allowed.
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Postby Indusse » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:27 am

Oops I will try to edit of this is not approved
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:11 am

Indusse wrote:Oops I will try to edit of this is not approved

Submitted proposals cannot be edited. That's why we STRONGLY encourage players to [DRAFT] their proposals on the forums for several days (or weeks) before submitting. I've ruled it illegal. Go withdraw it, and don't resubmit it until or unless you get sufficient positive feedback here first.

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Postby Ransium » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:21 am

WHY ARE WE YELLING?

To clarify, there are a number of reasons this proposal is illegal, not just the pronouns. Please spend a substantial time drafting this.

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[DRAFT] COMMEND KURIKO

Postby Indusse » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:30 pm

COMMEND KURIKO

This proposal is to commend the nation kuriko and his puppet lenlyvit.

Nominee: KURIKO
Proposed by: INDUSSE

UNDERSTANDING the contributions done by kuriko to nation-states roleplay forums, security council and his region 10000 Islands.


VIEWING her security council resolutions which have been authored and co-authored by kuriko and lenlyvit for commending , condemning or liberating nations and regions.


RESEARCHING on his proposals Security Council Resolutions as Lenlyvit;

Co-authored Security Council Resolution #218 - Liberate South Pacific

Security Council Resolution #242 - Commend Texas

Security Council Resolution #245 - Liberate Kaiserreich

Security Council Resolution #253 - Liberate The Monarchist Entente *

Security Council Resolution #257 - Repeal "Liberate The Monarchist Entente"

Security Council Resolution #259 - Liberate Boston

as Kuriko;

Security Council Resolution #261 - Repeal "Liberate The Communal Confederacy"

Security Council Resolution #262 - Commend Frattastan ii

Unworthy co-author of Security Council Resolution #266 - Commend Xoriet

Security Council Resolution #269 - Condemn Macedon

HEREBY commends KURIKO

I would like to have your opinions to make this more better and legal.
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Postby Borovan entered the region as he » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:39 pm

Yikes, the font size.

Ok, change his to it. Rp forums violates the rules so change it. This lacks a little meat on the bones so go interview kuriko or someone from XKI who knows him. Kuriko has done some defending and his dispatch listed some contributions so yeah.

I think you should edit the original post, because I'm confused as to which is your proposal. Feel free to add a spoiler for old drafts.
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Link to proposal dispatch ✓✓✓✓
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Link to proposal ✓✓✓✓
https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1544786445


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PROPOSAL

RECOGNIZING the nation Kuriko as the WAD of 10000 Islands and active WA user.
ILLEGAL, user violates the WA rules. Use WA member.
RESEARCHING his contributions to the security council as successful proposals using the nations Kuriko and lenyvit.
Change proposals to resolutions
UNDERSTANDING his knowledge, creativity, and leadership in NationStates roleplay, in both in character and out of character aspects, for security council and the forums.

HEREBY praises the person behind the nation of Kuriko and recognizes his achievements , interest in world assembly and his knowledge in various aspects with a commendation from the World Assembly.
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Postby Jocospor » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:00 am

Borovan entered the region as he wrote:Yikes, the font size.

Ok, change his to it. Rp forums violates the rules so change it. This lacks a little meat on the bones so go interview kuriko or someone from XKI who knows him. Kuriko has done some defending and his dispatch listed some contributions so yeah.


"Go interview Kuriko" - might as well be a self-commend.
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Postby Ransium » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:07 am

You only get one topic per proposal, edit the OP of your original, don’t make a new thread.

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Postby Malphe Manson » Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:34 am

Jocospor wrote:
Borovan entered the region as he wrote:Yikes, the font size.

Ok, change his to it. Rp forums violates the rules so change it. This lacks a little meat on the bones so go interview kuriko or someone from XKI who knows him. Kuriko has done some defending and his dispatch listed some contributions so yeah.


"Go interview Kuriko" - might as well be a self-commend.

Asking somebody about their accomplishments doesn't make it a self-commend, it makes it well researched. Sure, if the author is actively coordinating with and putting in exactly what the candidate says that would be questionable but just an interview isn't that.
I mean, and I'm not even going to touch the obvious hypocrisy of you of all people making self-commend accusations.
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Postby Jocospor » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:15 am

Malphe Manson wrote:
Jocospor wrote:
"Go interview Kuriko" - might as well be a self-commend.

Asking somebody about their accomplishments doesn't make it a self-commend, it makes it well researched. Sure, if the author is actively coordinating with and putting in exactly what the candidate says that would be questionable but just an interview isn't that.
I mean, and I'm not even going to touch the obvious hypocrisy of you of all people making self-commend accusations.

On the contrary, the Confederation is the most qualified critic of self-commends there is.
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Government positions I've held:
Secretary of Defense in The Free Nations Region.

One of 5 commanders of Solidarity, a defender organization to help raided regions.

Warden Commander of The Order of The Grey Wardens.

Second in Command of the Lazarene Celestial Armada, independent military of Lazarus.

Justice of the Court in The Union of Democratic States.

General and first Commander of the Union of Democratic States Armed Forces, defender military of The Union of Democratic States.

General and Commander of The Knights Radiant, defender military of FORGE.

Founder of The Hole To Hide In.

Delegate of the 10000 Islands.


I may add this.
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I honestly don't think Kuriko is worthy. Sure, they're good at writing SC Resolutions and are a defender. Honestly, what else have they done? Also, this proposal needs lots of work.
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Any more opinions
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:10 pm

Indusse wrote:Any more opinions

Put your draft into the OP so we can see it.
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Marilyn Manson Freaks wrote:I honestly don't think Kuriko is worthy. Sure, they're good at writing SC Resolutions and are a defender. Honestly, what else have they done? Also, this proposal needs lots of work.

They're not. Your honesty does you much credit.
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Postby The Macabees » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:18 am

One thing this commend can mention is the behind-the-scenes work that often goes uncredited, including helping proposals with merit by helping with how to outreach. This service to the WA is invaluable because it empowers small fish, like me, to bring good, fair, and well-argued legislation to the WA.

Regarding their proposals, what do you think about adding details regarding the merits of these proposals? What benefits did they bring to the WA? How did they impact the community? This would give that point that much more force.

Also, what about their voting record in the Security Council? Has it upheld a pattern of justice? Kuriko's vote holds a lot of weight, a history of justice is a powerful reason to commend.



Separately, although Jocospor's comments are not very helpful interpreted literally, he is partially right. If you went to Kuriko and asked, "What can I commend you for?" that's probably not the right approach. The problem there is not with approaching the person, it's with the intentions behind the commend. The intention behind a commend should to be to genuinely celebrate that person's contributions, and to celebrate those contributions you have to have some understanding that they were made in the first place.

If you have a general intuition that this person is commendable, whether because of their history or because of a general respect for their contributions that for you is abstract or not of your time, there's no problem with talking to Kuriko. "I'd like to commend you for x, y, and z; could you offer me more detail on this? Could you link me to evidence?"

In fact, that's one way of corroborating whether your intuition is correct. And, of course, corroborate it against other third parties, including parties who've known Kuriko. Interview region-members, countries that endorse him, countries that refuse to endorse them (i.e. countries who've endorsed others in 1000 Islands, but not Kuriko).

So, don't be afraid to approach with questions, but know the questions beforehand and, out of an standard of fairness, don't fish -- and although I guarantee Kuriko would fairly judge their contributions, or even underplay them out of humility, it's just a good general rule to follow.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:42 am

Assuming the OP is still working on this, the proposal contains several R4 violations. You cannot refer to a nation as "he" or "she".
In=character, Kaboomlandia is a World Assembly member and abides by its resolutions. If this nation isn't in the WA, it's for practical reasons.
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Postby Indusse » Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:37 pm

The Macabees wrote:One thing this commend can mention is the behind-the-scenes work that often goes uncredited, including helping proposals with merit by helping with how to outreach. This service to the WA is invaluable because it empowers small fish, like me, to bring good, fair, and well-argued legislation to the WA.

Regarding their proposals, what do you think about adding details regarding the merits of these proposals? What benefits did they bring to the WA? How did they impact the community? This would give that point that much more force.

Also, what about their voting record in the Security Council? Has it upheld a pattern of justice? Kuriko's vote holds a lot of weight, a history of justice is a powerful reason to commend.



Separately, although Jocospor's comments are not very helpful interpreted literally, he is partially right. If you went to Kuriko and asked, "What can I commend you for?" that's probably not the right approach. The problem there is not with approaching the person, it's with the intentions behind the commend. The intention behind a commend should to be to genuinely celebrate that person's contributions, and to celebrate those contributions you have to have some understanding that they were made in the first place.

If you have a general intuition that this person is commendable, whether because of their history or because of a general respect for their contributions that for you is abstract or not of your time, there's no problem with talking to Kuriko. "I'd like to commend you for x, y, and z; could you offer me more detail on this? Could you link me to evidence?"

In fact, that's one way of corroborating whether your intuition is correct. And, of course, corroborate it against other third parties, including parties who've known Kuriko. Interview region-members, countries that endorse him, countries that refuse to endorse them (i.e. countries who've endorsed others in 1000 Islands, but not Kuriko).

So, don't be afraid to approach with questions, but know the questions beforehand and, out of an standard of fairness, don't fish -- and although I guarantee Kuriko would fairly judge their contributions, or even underplay them out of humility, it's just a good general rule to follow.

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Marilyn Manson Freaks wrote:I honestly don't think Kuriko is worthy. Sure, they're good at writing SC Resolutions and are a defender. Honestly, what else have they done? Also, this proposal needs lots of work.

TITO WA Delegate, and let’s not forget as Rejects Kuriko was an officer at one point.

I’m leaning in favor on principle, but you’re going to need a lot more meat before I can support this. I’ll be watching this thread and waiting.
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Fauxia wrote:
Marilyn Manson Freaks wrote:I honestly don't think Kuriko is worthy. Sure, they're good at writing SC Resolutions and are a defender. Honestly, what else have they done? Also, this proposal needs lots of work.

TITO WA Delegate, and let’s not forget as Rejects Kuriko was an officer at one point.

I’m leaning in favor on principle, but you’re going to need a lot more meat before I can support this. I’ll be watching this thread and waiting.



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Postby Aclion » Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:47 pm

she's also done a load of work as a defender and probably other stuff in XKI that's less well documented. You should at least bug tito command for there war record
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Marilyn Manson Freaks wrote:I honestly don't think Kuriko is worthy. Sure, they're good at writing SC Resolutions and are a defender. Honestly, what else have they done? Also, this proposal needs lots of work.

Manson, there are a lot of people commended who are unworthy of the badge.

The WA can be both fickle, and overly excited in regards to badge giving. She certainly deserves it more than Bachtendekuppen, but the WA would rather give it to him than her.

I mean, in the end, it boils down to how well you campaign, and whether you have connections to high-ranking delegates.
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