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[Submitted] Condemn Official European Union

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[Submitted] Condemn Official European Union

Postby Nuclear Wastelands » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:56 am

[Title] Condemn Official European Union

[Category] Condemnation

[Nominee] Official European Union

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Esteemed Security Council,
Appalled that the Official European Union (Hereby OEU) is ruled under an iron fist of corruption and a crackdown on free speech as well as the blatant failure by regional officers to enforce the rules,

Noting that nations who dissent against the actions of the Founder, demand a change in the government, or Nations who point out rule breakers are often ejected and banned without a trial,

Further Noting that, free speech is outlawed as any posts viewed as disruptive or challenging to regional authority are suppressed and that regional officers were actively spying on ejected and banned OEU nations in other regions,

Astonished that the government of the OEU was abolished because the regional officers were challenged,

Noting that a total of 5 nations have fled the authoritarian government, all 5 having been banned after leaving,

Further Noting that 1 other nation was banned for speaking out against the authoritarian government and the Founder's favoritism,

Emphasizes that rule breakers favored by the founder are often pardoned, despite strong evidence; whereas innocent nations or one-time rule breakers are punished,

Hereby Condemns Official European Union

Co-Authored with Joshuastania
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:32 am

So you've got a Founder who is a little power mad. That describes over half the founders in the game. I'm not seeing anything special about this one that justifies a condemnation.

Also, your repeated discussion of "rule breakers" as well as "banned" and "flaming" are flirting with a Rule 4[c] violation. Take those clauses out and you've got nothing left. I don't think this is salvageable.

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Postby Nuclear Wastelands » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:00 am

Frisbeeteria wrote:So you've got a Founder who is a little power mad. That describes over half the founders in the game. I'm not seeing anything special about this one that justifies a condemnation.

Also, your repeated discussion of "rule breakers" as well as "banned" and "flaming" are flirting with a Rule 4[c] violation. Take those clauses out and you've got nothing left. I don't think this is salvageable.

Understood, The Co-Author and I are working on refining the proposal and adding some clauses.
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This is insane

Postby Chricoma » Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:05 am

Against, this is ridiculous
If you actually took the time to investigate why people were banned you would see that Carpatho Kemmerer was constantly flaming in our RMB and in our discord. Calling another user often "b*itch, "as$hole" among other things. He continued to harass this user with baseless allegations of breaking the rules. It is okay to have an opinion, but when he thought this user was corrupt or breaking the rules. I would also like to point out that the spying that you say took place was not ordered by me, the founder. He was not banned for dissenting opinions, Carpatho was banned for constantly harassing another user and swearing at him in the RMB and throwing around baseless allegations his childish fit made the RP negative and toxic, he did not trust the government despite the fact that every claim of corruption can be easily disproven by merely understanding how our government works, the first claim is that the user made puppets to rig elections against Carpatho's party, this is impossible, we count votes manually now and do not count independents this means that puppets do not count unless they are in a political party which is unlikely. For claims of god modding and being overpowered in the RP, we have very fair government officials that have always stopped said user whenever he has tried to be overpowered. I will not be tolerated to constantly claim something that simply isn't true. WunderWaffle was banned for the same toxic behaviour granted and a lesser level, Joshuastania was banned for the toxic behaviour outside of the region granted to a minuscule level, and Bavaria was banned for leaving with them granted this was a childish choice on my part and should be lifted. Free speech is insane, we should never have free speech. Free speech allows one to harass others, make toxic environments, insult others, and make baseless lies and allegations. Instead one should employ intelligent speech. I was never privately informed of the allegations to which i would have investigated. I should have been privately informed instead of having the toxicity posted on the RMB and discord so that this situation could have been handled civilly and rationally like adults. I would also like to note that the Prime Minister even had to take time away from the region due to this.

Do not attempt to say that the region is power hungry, things must be done to maintain the region. There are rules, these rules were constantly broken and I allowed these to be broken because I hope simply talking could fix it, but obviously not. Yes I have pardoned rule breakers before, just like I did for Carpatho Kemmerer the one who started these allegations because I was compelled by hearing why he broke the rules and I felt he deserved a second chance, he was given no restriction of participation or land he could fully act as a member again.

Enacting my powers as founder, the powers granted to me for creating the region is not reason for a condemnation.
Violence is only justified when used against equal violence. If you ideology requires violence to establish it, you're wrong. I am a Roman Catholic, and I would consider myself economically liberal and very socially conservative. I am against any ideology that seeks to crush any person for any reason, and limit the potential of any person.


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Postby Chricoma » Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:06 am

Frisbeeteria wrote:So you've got a Founder who is a little power mad. That describes over half the founders in the game. I'm not seeing anything special about this one that justifies a condemnation.

Also, your repeated discussion of "rule breakers" as well as "banned" and "flaming" are flirting with a Rule 4[c] violation. Take those clauses out and you've got nothing left. I don't think this is salvageable.

Yet he submits it anyways.
Violence is only justified when used against equal violence. If you ideology requires violence to establish it, you're wrong. I am a Roman Catholic, and I would consider myself economically liberal and very socially conservative. I am against any ideology that seeks to crush any person for any reason, and limit the potential of any person.


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Postby Chricoma » Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:09 am

If necessary I can also provide screen shots to back myself up.
Violence is only justified when used against equal violence. If you ideology requires violence to establish it, you're wrong. I am a Roman Catholic, and I would consider myself economically liberal and very socially conservative. I am against any ideology that seeks to crush any person for any reason, and limit the potential of any person.


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Postby Covorus » Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:49 am

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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:19 pm

Fascist Pruessens wrote:Lmao this is fucking hilarious
Covorus wrote:
Power hungry?

I'll show you power hungry.

*KoNsUmEs NuClEaR bOmB*

Now that's power hungry.


I am 500% sure that this will be deleted by the mods as spam.

What the hell is this?
NOT STORMTROOPERS
Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

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Postby Chricoma » Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:13 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Fascist Pruessens wrote:Lmao this is fucking hilarious
Covorus wrote:
Power hungry?

I'll show you power hungry.

*KoNsUmEs NuClEaR bOmB*

Now that's power hungry.


I am 500% sure that this will be deleted by the mods as spam.

What the hell is this?

Dummies from my region, I have told them to delete these inappropriate posts
Violence is only justified when used against equal violence. If you ideology requires violence to establish it, you're wrong. I am a Roman Catholic, and I would consider myself economically liberal and very socially conservative. I am against any ideology that seeks to crush any person for any reason, and limit the potential of any person.


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Postby Covorus » Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:48 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:What the hell is this?

Just a completely random rant that honestly contributes little to the discussion at hand.

Anywho, it's been deleted, as asked.

(Canon) The Federal Republic of Covorus: A right leaning, Christian state that formed after the fall of the Myanmese Socialist Republic Union in 1975 A.D. Has been through a long and grueling civil war from constant warfare between the different factions that had vied for control of the region.

(Semi-Canon, the part of Covorus that deals with anomalous NS multiversal events) The S.D.P.C: A branch within the Federal Bureau of Domestic Security with the sole mission of protecting Covorus from threats beyond the scope of normalcy.

Welcome to the SDPC

-Save the Sinner-
-Defend the Innocent-
-Partition the Powers-
-Contain the Darkness-

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Postby Carpatho Kemmerer » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:11 pm

Chricoma wrote:Against, this is ridiculous
If you actually took the time to investigate why people were banned you would see that Carpatho Kemmerer was constantly flaming in our RMB and in our discord. Calling another user often "b*itch, "as$hole" among other things. He continued to harass this user with baseless allegations of breaking the rules. It is okay to have an opinion, but when he thought this user was corrupt or breaking the rules. I would also like to point out that the spying that you say took place was not ordered by me, the founder. He was not banned for dissenting opinions, Carpatho was banned for constantly harassing another user and swearing at him in the RMB and throwing around baseless allegations his childish fit made the RP negative and toxic, he did not trust the government despite the fact that every claim of corruption can be easily disproven by merely understanding how our government works, the first claim is that the user made puppets to rig elections against Carpatho's party, this is impossible, we count votes manually now and do not count independents this means that puppets do not count unless they are in a political party which is unlikely. For claims of god modding and being overpowered in the RP, we have very fair government officials that have always stopped said user whenever he has tried to be overpowered. I will not be tolerated to constantly claim something that simply isn't true. WunderWaffle was banned for the same toxic behaviour granted and a lesser level, Joshuastania was banned for the toxic behaviour outside of the region granted to a minuscule level, and Bavaria was banned for leaving with them granted this was a childish choice on my part and should be lifted. Free speech is insane, we should never have free speech. Free speech allows one to harass others, make toxic environments, insult others, and make baseless lies and allegations. Instead one should employ intelligent speech. I was never privately informed of the allegations to which i would have investigated. I should have been privately informed instead of having the toxicity posted on the RMB and discord so that this situation could have been handled civilly and rationally like adults. I would also like to note that the Prime Minister even had to take time away from the region due to this.

Do not attempt to say that the region is power hungry, things must be done to maintain the region. There are rules, these rules were constantly broken and I allowed these to be broken because I hope simply talking could fix it, but obviously not. Yes I have pardoned rule breakers before, just like I did for Carpatho Kemmerer the one who started these allegations because I was compelled by hearing why he broke the rules and I felt he deserved a second chance, he was given no restriction of participation or land he could fully act as a member again.

Enacting my powers as founder, the powers granted to me for creating the region is not reason for a condemnation.


There are multiple pieces of evidence that link puppetry and collusion between the Centrist Party and a member who I will not name. I have evidence, and so do multiple others. I apologized to you on the discord and went my own way. I left it at that.

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Postby Drop Your Pants » Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:15 am

Carpatho Kemmerer wrote:There are multiple pieces of evidence that link puppetry and collusion between the Centrist Party and a member who I will not name. I have evidence, and so do multiple others. I apologized to you on the discord and went my own way. I left it at that.

Take your regional drama back to your RMB. You haven't a hope in hell of getting this proposal to quorum, let alone passing it. It's just too petty.

And while the SC is very good at petty, it does have some standards.
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