[NOT NEEDED/ABANDONED] Liberate Northern Redlands

[La Navasse]

Definitely against. Northern Redlands' embassies and Founder are not enough to warrant an offensive Liberation, especially considering the region as a whole is interregionally irrelevant and has no real R/D military standing whatsoever.

You're just annoyed you didn't think of it first

I have drafted proposals to Liberate regions even when they already existed as a draft. If I really thought that this was important, I would be drafting this already.

[Kaboomlandia]

You're just annoyed you didn't think of it first

I have drafted proposals to Liberate regions even when they already existed as a draft. If I really thought that this was important, I would be drafting this already.

Funny how you're opposed to a liberation when it's in a situation where it would actually accomplish something.

[Gagium]

I have drafted proposals to Liberate regions even when they already existed as a draft. If I really thought that this was important, I would be drafting this already.

Funny how you're opposed to a liberation when it's in a situation where it would actually accomplish something.

Are you arguing that something should be done because it "would actually accomplish something"? The holocaust most certainly "accomplished something"...Should that have been done?

Only correct answer is no.

Bad analogy?

[Kaboomlandia]

Funny how you're opposed to a liberation when it's in a situation where it would actually accomplish something.

Are you arguing that something should be done because it "would actually accomplish something"? The holocaust most certainly "accomplished something"...Should that have been done?

Only correct answer is no.

Bad analogy?

a. I see Godwin's Law is alive and well.

b. Offensive liberations are used in the SC, but Navasse is known for pushing a certain brand of them that don't do anything because of the regions he targets with them (namely, regions with founders, which aren't affected by liberations). This specific proposal, which is against a region that has had its founder deleted, is right up Navasse's alley, as it's more achievable than the ones he writes but has the same end goal, yet he opposes it for whatever reason.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

Are you arguing that something should be done because it "would actually accomplish something"? The holocaust most certainly "accomplished something"...Should that have been done?

Only correct answer is no.

Bad analogy?

a. I see Godwin's Law is alive and well.

b. Offensive liberations are used in the SC, but Navasse is known for pushing a certain brand of them that don't do anything because of the regions he targets with them (namely, regions with founders, which aren't affected by liberations). This specific proposal, which is against a region that has had its founder deleted, is right up Navasse's alley, as it's more achievable than the ones he writes but has the same end goal, yet he opposes it for whatever reason.

There is a difference between liberating regions that should be liberated, and liberating regions that shouldn't be liberated.

[Kranostav]

Well isn't this just a pleasant garbage fire of discourse.

These proposals seem to bring out the toxic of this SC community. Regardless I am not convinced; the proposal is poorly written with very little going for it, the tag argument is basically useless with all the other tags, and embassies only really mean something when there is actually cooperation between regions. This region has next to no relevance in R/D and doesn't seem to outwardly spread any sort of hatred to the greater NS community. So saying this, why do people have their panties in such a bunch? Is seeing a fascist tag or seeing some embassies really all it takes to summon an anti-Nazi debate circlejerk of a thread this has turned into? Trust me, NS as a collective hates Nazis but is this really the region to spend effort on? Because the proposal certainly doesn't display any convincing evidence of such.

Hard Against.
/Rant

[Kuriko]

2 minutes ago: The MT Army Leader of Vippertooth33 replaced The Holy Commonwealth of The Reddington States as Delegate for Northern Redlands.

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Guess this won't be needed after all.

[United Massachusetts]

2 minutes ago: The MT Army Leader of Vippertooth33 replaced The Holy Commonwealth of The Reddington States as Delegate for Northern Redlands.

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Guess this won't be needed after all.

Glad to see this.

[Mediocre Confederacy]

Great work in invading them, so this is abandoned

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Well isn't this just a pleasant garbage fire of discourse.

These proposals seem to bring out the toxic of this SC community. Regardless I am not convinced; the proposal is poorly written with very little going for it, the tag argument is basically useless with all the other tags, and embassies only really mean something when there is actually cooperation between regions. This region has next to no relevance in R/D and doesn't seem to outwardly spread any sort of hatred to the greater NS community. So saying this, why do people have their panties in such a bunch? Is seeing a fascist tag or seeing some embassies really all it takes to summon an anti-Nazi debate circlejerk of a thread this has turned into? Trust me, NS as a collective hates Nazis but is this really the region to spend effort on? Because the proposal certainly doesn't display any convincing evidence of such.

Hard Against.
/Rant

This is a good post.

[Gagium]

Eh. It's absolutely shameful that liberations are suggested when regions are occupied by natives an discarded when regions are occupied by raiders.

[Kuriko]

Eh. It's absolutely shameful that liberations are suggested when regions are occupied by natives an discarded when regions are occupied by raiders.

This was written in the opposite direction of one that was needed, so it should be abandoned imho.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Eh. It's absolutely shameful that liberations are suggested when regions are occupied by natives an discarded when regions are occupied by raiders.

We live in a new age, where the SC is not a peacekeeping force dedicated to order and liberty, but a weapon to be wielded for the purpose of crusading and conquering.

[Kuriko]

Eh. It's absolutely shameful that liberations are suggested when regions are occupied by natives an discarded when regions are occupied by raiders.

We live in a new age, where the SC is not a peacekeeping force dedicated to order and liberty, but a weapon to be wielded for the purpose of crusading and conquering.

Now that is a load of bull, and you know it. There are only three active offensive liberations, compared to the dozens of normal liberations either active or repealed.

[West Leas Oros 2]

We live in a new age, where the SC is not a peacekeeping force dedicated to order and liberty, but a weapon to be wielded for the purpose of crusading and conquering.

Now that is a load of bull, and you know it. There are only three active offensive liberations, compared to the dozens of normal liberations either active or repealed.

Geez, you sure know how to ruin a dramatic quote...

[Kaboomlandia]

We live in a new age, where the SC is not a peacekeeping force dedicated to order and liberty, but a weapon to be wielded for the purpose of crusading and conquering.

Now that is a load of bull, and you know it. There are only three active offensive liberations, compared to the dozens of normal liberations either active or repealed.

Especially considering that in the long, rich history of the SC, the whole "liberate a region for the purpose of overthrowing it" has only worked once, with the NSIA. Nazi Europe lib failed, and the three active ones (KR, NE, CCD) are spinning their wheels in neutral because the founders aren't going anywhere.