[DRAFT] Repeal "Commend Xoriet"

[Ex Patrian SSR]

While I don't really exist in GP right now, I thought this would be an interesting/controversial one. Additions, constructive criticism, and opinions are more than welcome, as it's shorter than I'm happy with right now.

Repeal "Commend Xoriet"

Category: Repeal | Resolution: SC#266 | Proposed by: Ex Patrian SSR

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Security Council Resolution #266 shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Acknowledging the achievements of Xoriet in the East Pacific and wider NationStates community;

Astounded, however, at the nerve of their continued support and government participation in The Pacific after the region's support of covert operations to infiltrate Osiris and Lazarus;

Recognises the Pacific as a long-lasting repressor of dissent, an aggressive diplomatic power, and host of a dictatorial regime which Xoriet serves under;

Noting the public statements made by Xoriet since the most recent incidents declaring continued support for the New Pacific Order regime;

Believing that the revival of a raider organisation (Lone Wolves United) and subsequent leadership thereof is not a valid ground for commendation in the first place, and if anything is condemnable;

Hereby repeals SC #266 "Commend Xoriet".

[Cormactopia Prime]

Full support. NPO Senators don't deserve commendation.

[Imperium of Josh]

Support. If we are to sanction the NPO, we must sanction its governing members all the same.

[Kavagrad]

Full support, NPO delenda est, etc.

[Fedele]

Was she shown to have any involvement in the events in NPO? If she is internally advocating positive change, that would be a point in her favor.

[Glacikaldr]

It's sad to see but I can't just ignore the argument

[Kavagrad]

Was she shown to have any involvement in the events in NPO? If she is internally advocating positive change, that would be a point in her favor.

I'd argue that involvement isn't necessary for this repeal, only support or acceptance of the NPO's actions after the fact.

Her only public statements have been in defence of the NPO, and lacking any evidence to the contrary, this is where we're at. I'm open to change my mind if such evidence is presented, naturally.

[Malphe]

As far as I'm concerned she had no or little hand in the events which defamed NPO so there's no reason for a repeal and you're just riding the NPO hate train to a badge. I get it, NPO has been doing bad things, still don't think her minimal involvement in that warrants this.

[Ex Patrian SSR]

As far as I'm concerned she had no or little hand in the events which defamed NPO so there's no reason for a repeal and you're just riding the NPO hate train to a badge. I get it, NPO has been doing bad things, still don't think her minimal involvement in that warrants this.

I'd argue her involvement is less than minimal, seeing that despite the actions of the NPO she has not only publicly come out in defence of the NPO but has accepted a government position since the incident.

[Malphe]

As far as I'm concerned she had no or little hand in the events which defamed NPO so there's no reason for a repeal and you're just riding the NPO hate train to a badge. I get it, NPO has been doing bad things, still don't think her minimal involvement in that warrants this.

I'd argue her involvement is less than minimal, seeing that despite the actions of the NPO she has not only publicly come out in defence of the NPO but has accepted a government position since the incident.

So she accepted a government position in a region after a controversy. Don't see how that warrants a repeal.

[Cormactopia Prime]

I should note that my support is for repeal of Commend Xoriet in general. I don't know that I'll support this specific draft if a better one emerges.

[Imperium of Josh]

^Same

[Cormactopia Prime]

Was she shown to have any involvement in the events in NPO? If she is internally advocating positive change, that would be a point in her favor.

What would possibly make anyone think she's internally advocating positive change? This is what she's saying in public:

The Praetorian Sentinel Ocelot of Xoriet
22 hours ago

Don't forget the part about installing a foreign-raised government that does puppet things for a puppet feeder. Gameplay cares about itself, not about The Pacific. I'll wager some of the ringleaders of this already volunteered to serve as the new leaders of the region after they overthrow us.

None of them care about The Pacific's well-being at all. They care about their wishes and desires, about their own interests. They want our residents' votes for their desires. They want our delegacy to promote their interests. They want long-term members gone because those members had the gall to be in the region and support our leadership. They have repeatedly attempted to remove and slander members of our leadership for not bowing to their whims long before this. They accuse us of the same in other regions, but they aren't better in any way.

The Pacific isn't going to fall to a mob of opportunists, raiders, and loudmouthed demagogues.

She isn't advocating positive change, she's advocating exactly the same ideology and attitude that led to all of this in the first place. She has of her own free will made herself part of the problem, and she most certainly isn't going to be part of the solution. She's not even pretending to want to be.

Bottom line: The NPO's Senator for foreign affairs, who will actively be seeking to get the NPO back into everyone's good graces, shouldn't remain commended by the Security Council. Leaving the Commendation in place will give her the illusion of reputability. She has surrendered that.

[Fedele]

Her saying, "None of them care about The Pacific's well-being at all" strikes me as being neither inaccurate nor sufficient cause to repeal her commendation.

[Malphe]

Was she shown to have any involvement in the events in NPO? If she is internally advocating positive change, that would be a point in her favor.

What would possibly make anyone think she's internally advocating positive change? This is what she's saying in public:

The Praetorian Sentinel Ocelot of Xoriet
22 hours ago

Don't forget the part about installing a foreign-raised government that does puppet things for a puppet feeder. Gameplay cares about itself, not about The Pacific. I'll wager some of the ringleaders of this already volunteered to serve as the new leaders of the region after they overthrow us.

None of them care about The Pacific's well-being at all. They care about their wishes and desires, about their own interests. They want our residents' votes for their desires. They want our delegacy to promote their interests. They want long-term members gone because those members had the gall to be in the region and support our leadership. They have repeatedly attempted to remove and slander members of our leadership for not bowing to their whims long before this. They accuse us of the same in other regions, but they aren't better in any way.

The Pacific isn't going to fall to a mob of opportunists, raiders, and loudmouthed demagogues.

She isn't advocating positive change, she's advocating exactly the same ideology and attitude that led to all of this in the first place. She has of her own free will made herself part of the problem, and she most certainly isn't going to be part of the solution. She's not even pretending to want to be.

Bottom line: The NPO's Senator for foreign affairs, who will actively be seeking to get the NPO back into everyone's good graces, shouldn't remain commended by the Security Council. Leaving the Commendation in place will give her the illusion of reputability. She has surrendered that.

Anything to hurt the NPO amiright, since now you're actually in a position to do so.

[Fedele]

If anything, the behavior in this thread is proving the veracity of what she said.

[Aenglaland]

As far as I'm concerned she had no or little hand in the events which defamed NPO so there's no reason for a repeal and you're just riding the NPO hate train to a badge.

Gotta agree with Malphe. At this point this is just a way of taking away any "good" badge from anyone involved with the NPO. I don't have any sympathy for the NPO, but unless people actually present good, solid points, I don't see why we should repeal this.

[Nazmir]

Deny. This feels like a smear campaign targeted towards any and all Pacific members.

[Tim-Opolis]

I mean this is just fucking petty, innit?

[Rkr]

Full support

[Ex Patrian SSR]

I mean this is just fucking petty, innit?

"Constructive criticism"

[Cornlind]

Deny. This feels like a smear campaign targeted towards any and all Pacific members.

That is what we are trying to do we are trying to kill the pacific

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Do not forget the rules for repeals:

Repeals entirely based on an issue unrelated to the resolution they're trying to repeal will be deleted - an example of this was a "Repeal "Liberate Free Thought"" proposal, which justified the repeal because voting finished 12 hours before the voting timer said it would (see here and here).
Repeals are essentially arguing that the WA has changed its opinion on a subject - and this can sometimes be due to reasons not discussed in the resolution being repealed. However, the repeal should still address the arguments made in the original resolution

Given that the original resolution is actually fairly specific in what things it targets, this is not the *easiest* here, but it's more than possible.

A few offhand notes -

Acknowledging the estimable impact that Xoriet, a power house nation and mentor, has had on the NationStates community over six years;

Could approach that recent impact isa less positive one

Recognizing the nation’s crucial role in shaping the East Pacific, as their former WA Delegate and member, by:

Aiding in developing and promoting activity in the region, through all branches of government; over a lengthy time period;

Enhancing the region's foreign affairs including providing guidance on treaties with TNP, Osiris, and Taijitu and forging unofficial relations across the ideological spectrum;

Building and gaining positive international prestige for the region and setting the region on a course that resounds positively today;

This is difficult, since TEP so far has been on the shortlist as to what the NPO may actually have *not* provenly targeted. That noted, given her presence there in specifically recent history and the fact that during that time TEP flirted with Francoist policies "jokingly," you may be able to call into question some things. You may also be able to generally note that her work so far in TP FA has only accelerated the ending of relations (though they are largely still uniting the spectrum, funnily).

The military record is not really particularly assailable itself, but for the case of repealing a *commend*, could be countered by citing numerous raids and her term as a leader of Lone Wolves United. Rather than saying what's there is not true, you'd be providing more context and arguing that the entirety of her military history is less commendable.

Observing that the nation has produced a veritable library of material on a variety of scholarly topics including safety, security, writing, politics amongst others that have been well received at international conventions such as the NationStates World Fair (NSWF);

Respecting the efforts made by Xorietian philosophers in writing and publishing well-received guides on how nations may better interact;

Lauding their role in leading the way in establishing guidelines for a safer NS community through the recognition and prevention of abuse as well as how to escape from it;

This could be generally tempered by recent attempt to blatantly obfuscate and propagandize information, among other things.

Believing that puppet nations of Xoriet have always striven to engage in military action with the utmost integrity and that the nation has had an important impact on the military dynamic as a leader: for example, in addition to leadership and intelligence roles, the nation was the most active among nations in the restoration of regions damaged by raids to their former state during the summer of 2014 and reached several such milestones over their military career.

"integrity" can be targeted again with spreading of blatantly false information recently.

Remarking that the military capability of the nation Anera, a nation under the control of Xoriet, resulted in the revival of Lone Wolves United so it reached a high of 70 ops and 22 members;

Impressed that the nation has estimable intel knowledge and intelligence networks and is responsible for being a power broker in international relations as well as training and mentoring new power brokers;

While it's not "wrong" per se to commend someone for raiding and such, it can *certainly* be challenged that these things are less than commendable achievements.

Honoring the nation's leadership, innovations, and Xoriet's role as an invaluable mentor to prominent nations, including several WA Delegates and founders, and their ability to develop connections and maintain relationships between nations and regions;

This is your biggest window to transition. Angle in with commentary about how senators in The Pacific represent the exact opposite of developing and maintaining good connections/relationships diplomatically. Segue into any additionally commentary you wish to add that's entirely removed from the original commend.

Good luck.

[Solorni]

I will not be supporting this.

[Hystaria]

Full support, he is just WA corruption