[Draft] Condemn E̶u̶r̶o̶F̶o̶u̶n̶d̶e̶r̶ Myrth

[Alba-Nord]

Condemn "EuroFounder"

Category: Condemnation

Nominee: EuroFounder

Proposed by: Alba-Nord

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THE SECURITY COUNCIL:

SHOCKED by the recent actions taken by the once respected member of the region have diminished the regional status quo and reputation throughout these nation-states. Aligning the region with those dissimilar to the general populous of Europe and distancing the region from traditional and law abiding regions such as Europeia and into the company of regions which stand before this very council with proposals of condemnations.

DISMAYED by the actions by this nation, blatantly endorsing The Pacific, a region which is also subject to a condemnation proposal before this council and known for its oppressive government which is in stark contrast to the government installed in Europe.

HIGHLIGHTING the closure of the European Embassy to Europeia; the anti-democratic appointment of an advisor to the European government and the suppression of any kind of resistance in the regional message board. All in which jeopardises the stability of the region which could result in a disruption to these nation-states unlike ever seen before.

SADDENED that this nation has chosen to actively undermine the democratically elected government in Europe, a government is known for its neutrality and laws of which have had assent by this founder.

DECLARING that this rogue nation must not be allowed to continue with this obvious abuse of power without disapprobation.

HEREBY Condemns EuroFounder

- AN

[The Black Party]

Uh oh

[Topid]

I would like to know a little about the standard (until today) process in Europe for opening and closing embassies. In terms of European customs, did the founder traditionally involve himself in the decisions to open or close embassies or was that handled by people authorized some other way.

Same question for appointing ROs.

"undermine the democratically elected government in Europe" and "abuse of power" are making me believe this is out of ordinary role of the Founder.

[Alba-Nord]

I would like to know a little about the standard (until today) process in Europe for opening and closing embassies. In terms of European customs, did the founder traditionally involve himself in the decisions to open or close embassies or was that handled by people authorized some other way.

Same question for appointing ROs.

"undermine the democratically elected government in Europe" and "abuse of power" are making me believe this is out of ordinary role of the Founder.

European "Foreign Policy (Embassies) Act 2016" states:
"The Delegate may by order establish an embassy with another region if that region had an embassy with Europe sometime in the past."
& "Retain our policy of Neutrality as the central pillar of our Foreign Policy."

(The Foreign Policy (Embassies) Act 2016 was given founder assent previous to the vote which closed on Jan 9th 2016.

Typically, and when I say typically I mean 99/100, the founder is not involved with embassy construction or closures - let alone active.

This action by EuroFounder is absolutely out of character but what I see where the abuse of power comes from is the account controller is Myrth who sits on the Senate at The Pacific.

[Kuriko]

I would like to know a little about the standard (until today) process in Europe for opening and closing embassies. In terms of European customs, did the founder traditionally involve himself in the decisions to open or close embassies or was that handled by people authorized some other way.

Same question for appointing ROs.

"undermine the democratically elected government in Europe" and "abuse of power" are making me believe this is out of ordinary role of the Founder.

The founder is Myrth, just to clarify. If you didn't know.

Edit: Ninja'd

[Outer Sparta]

I would like to know a little about the standard (until today) process in Europe for opening and closing embassies. In terms of European customs, did the founder traditionally involve himself in the decisions to open or close embassies or was that handled by people authorized some other way.

Same question for appointing ROs.

"undermine the democratically elected government in Europe" and "abuse of power" are making me believe this is out of ordinary role of the Founder.

European "Foreign Policy (Embassies) Act 2016" states:
"The Delegate may by order establish an embassy with another region if that region had an embassy with Europe sometime in the past."
& "Retain our policy of Neutrality as the central pillar of our Foreign Policy."

(The Foreign Policy (Embassies) Act 2016 was given founder assent previous to the vote which closed on Jan 9th 2016.

Typically, and when I say typically I mean 99/100, the founder is not involved with embassy construction or closures - let alone active.

This action by EuroFounder is absolutely out of character but what I see where the abuse of power comes from is the account controller is Myrth who sits on the Senate at The Pacific.

Isn't there something else with EuroFounder shoving our region's policy of neturality under the bus regarding some Europeia shenanigags? You could put some more there, but what you got is good.

[Alba-Nord]

European "Foreign Policy (Embassies) Act 2016" states:
"The Delegate may by order establish an embassy with another region if that region had an embassy with Europe sometime in the past."
& "Retain our policy of Neutrality as the central pillar of our Foreign Policy."

(The Foreign Policy (Embassies) Act 2016 was given founder assent previous to the vote which closed on Jan 9th 2016.

Typically, and when I say typically I mean 99/100, the founder is not involved with embassy construction or closures - let alone active.

This action by EuroFounder is absolutely out of character but what I see where the abuse of power comes from is the account controller is Myrth who sits on the Senate at The Pacific.

Isn't there something else with EuroFounder shoving our region's policy of neturality under the bus regarding some Europeia shenanigags?

Yeah, see Act 4 of the Foreign Policy (Embassies) Act 2016 listed above.

"4. Retain our policy of Neutrality as the central pillar of our Foreign Policy."

[Imperium Anglorum]

As a matter of law, there are not restrictions on the ability to use executive discretion to close embassies because of concerns with the parliament being unable to quickly deal with emergent crises. However, to say that over the last four years, the founder has exercised no control over European foreign policy, is in my view accurate.

However that is, I feel that taking action like condemnation for what has engulfed the region so far is something of an overreaction. When the founder gets around to disestablishing the government, maybe.

[Outer Sparta]

On a separate note, you could mention how the Pacific was condemned before and that the NPO has a history of oppression (if the current proposal to condemn the Pacific makes it to quorum and get passed, that would make the region be condemned twice). I have yet to sift the details on the history of that. You can also highlight what Myrth has done, provided you have the evidence.

[Outer Sparta]

As a matter of law, there are not restrictions on the ability to use executive discretion to close embassies because of concerns with the parliament being unable to quickly deal with emergent crises. However, to say that over the last four years, the founder has exercised no control over European foreign policy, is in my view accurate.

However that is, I feel that taking action like condemnation for what has engulfed the region so far is something of an overreaction. When the founder gets around to disestablishing the government, maybe.

We currently don't know the extent of EuroFounder's actions or whether they're of malicious intent, but so far, there seems to be some correlation to the latter, but nothing is set in stone right now.

[Wrapper]

This seems to be purely an internal matter. Why should the international community care about this?

[Outer Sparta]

This seems to be purely an internal matter. Why should the international community care about this?

EuroFounder is the same person as Myrth, who is a part of the NPO. The NPO is involved with spying of other regions along with subversion. It's not just an internal conflict with our founder, but it goes outside the region too in a bigger conflict involving the NPO's actions.

[Wrapper]

This seems to be purely an internal matter. Why should the international community care about this?

EuroFounder is the same person as Myrth, who is a part of the NPO. The NPO is involved with spying of other regions along with subversion. It's not just an internal conflict with our founder, but it goes outside the region too in a bigger conflict involving the NPO's actions.

Okay, but, read the draft that’s posted. Aside from aspersions cast in half a clause about NPO, there’s nothing here that makes me want to care about your regional issues. I’m not saying a condemnation isn’t justified; all I’m saying is, this sandwich is pretty darn thin, and unless you give me more meat, I’m not biting.

Now if you’ll excuse me, apparently I’m in dire need of a late night snack.

[Alba-Nord]

Condemn "EuroFounder"

Category: Condemnation

Nominee: EuroFounder

Proposed by: Alba-Nord

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The Security Council:

Shocked by recent actions by this once respected member of the region has diminished the regional status-quo and reputation throughout these nation-states.

Highlighting the issue that EuroFounder and Myrth are the same, this is a clear over-stretch by The Pacific and a prime example of said nation using their position as the European founder to violate Europe’s neutrality laws to therefore align the region with The New Pacific Order, against traditional allies, such as Europeia – a region commended by this very council in SCR#234.

Outraged by the position of EuroFounder to close the European embassy to Europeia, a fellow WALL member. Indicating a clear bias towards The New Pacific Order, again, against the neutrality legislation put in place by Europe’s government and given assent by this founder in January 2016.

Recognising that Myrth sits upon The New Pacific Order’s Senate, an obvious conflict of interest between their duties as EuroFounder and Myrth who are actively supporting an oppressive regime. A region which has been accused of being an international menace for meddling in affairs of external regions, notably the invasion and later coup d’état of The North Pacific and Lazarus.

Dismayed by the actions of this nation, blatantly endorsing The Pacific, a region which is also subject to a condemnation proposal before this council and known for its oppressive government which is in stark contrast to the government in Europe. Recalling that The Pacific has been subject to international condemnation by SCR #177 for the tyrannical and oppressive actions conducted by the NPO - though later repealed in SCR #202 - it has been clear the reforms have failed to produce meaningful results.

Saddened that EuroFounder has chosen to actively undermine the democratically elected government in Europe, a government which is known for its neutrality and laws of which have had the previous assent by this founder. Adding to this, the appointment of an obvious puppet nation to an advisory role in the European government ranks, without notice.

Stressing the unusual behaviour of EuroFounder, a nation which until this point has shown little indication of interest in foreign policy or the region at all.

Declaring that this rogue nation, influenced heavily by The Pacific should not be allowed to continue with this obvious abuse of power without disapprobation.

Hereby Condemns EuroFounder.

Co-Author: Outer Sparta

[Outer Sparta]

You could add this clause: "Recalling that The Pacific has been subject to international condemnation by SCR #177 for the tyrannical and oppressive actions conducted by the NPO - though later repealed in SCR #202 - it has been clear the reforms have failed to produce meaningful results." This is for historical context and you can add more by tying in EuroFounder's actions/relations to the NPO.

[Consular]

Maybe condemn Myrth instead?

[Myrth]

Maybe condemn Myrth instead?

^ this. I've done plenty of things over the years all worthy of a condemnation, yet I still don't get the recognition I deserve. Why should Europe's founder get this honour when I've done much more work to earn it?

[Ransium]

Your submitted proposal is not legal.

[Jakker]

Maybe condemn Myrth instead?

^ this. I've done plenty of things over the years all worthy of a condemnation, yet I still don't get the recognition I deserve. Why should Europe's founder get this honour when I've done much more work to earn it?

I would love to hear what Myrth has done in NS beyond merely existing that is worthy of any kind of recognition. I'll be waiting to be enlightened in a future SC proposal thread.

[Gor Kebab]

Although, yes the actions were controversial, EuroFounder didn’t actually break any laws. They used powers that are given to them by the game. You can’t really hate on someone for using in game features.

The laws that were broken by EF were European laws, not international laws. Now, yes, it does violate our neutrality and brings us unwillingly closer to the NPO, closing embassies doesn’t mean war. We aren’t at war. Not much has really changed. Europeia understands the situation in Europe.

Also, if you want it to be brought to international attention, condemn Myrth for doing it, not EF. By Condemning EF as people of Europe, it looks just like an internal problem. Not an international one.

So, although I despise NPO and EuroFounder’s recent actions, condemning the puppet is not the way to go. Condemn the puppet master. Condemning the founder gives bad rep to Europe.

Keep internal problems internal. Don’t make them international.

[Lord Dominator]

Although, yes the actions were controversial, EuroFounder didn’t actually break any laws. They used powers that are given to them by the game. You can’t really hate on someone for using in game features.

The laws that were broken by EF were European laws, not international laws. Now, yes, it does violate our neutrality and brings us unwillingly closer to the NPO, closing embassies doesn’t mean war. We aren’t at war. Not much has really changed. Europeia understands the situation in Europe.

Also, if you want it to be brought to international attention, condemn Myrth for doing it, not EF. By Condemning EF as people of Europe, it looks just like an internal problem. Not an international one.

So, although I despise NPO and EuroFounder’s recent actions, condemning the puppet is not the way to go. Condemn the puppet master. Condemning the founder gives bad rep to Europe.

Keep internal problems internal. Don’t make them international.

I definitely agree that there's no point to condemning them, but I would note that all condemnations are based on the use of powers granted by the game

[Gor Kebab]

I definitely agree that there's no point to condemning them, but I would note that all condemnations are based on the use of powers granted by the game

Yes, but most condemnations are done because a region or person has done stuff that goes against WA laws, not Regional laws. All laws in regions are different. In some regions, what EF did can be done with no questions asked. But since it was done in Europe, where actions like that is controversial and goes against European law, it’s a problem.

So that’s why I think this is an overreaction and shouldn’t be brought to international attention. Since it doesn’t violate any WA laws and it’s completely normal in some regions. So the proposal won’t get much international sympathy.

[Ghost Land]

^ this. I've done plenty of things over the years all worthy of a condemnation, yet I still don't get the recognition I deserve. Why should Europe's founder get this honour when I've done much more work to earn it?

I would love to hear what Myrth has done in NS beyond merely existing that is worthy of any kind of recognition. I'll be waiting to be enlightened in a future SC proposal thread.

He was a moderator back in the day, from 2003/4 (?) until 2005.

[Kuriko]

I would love to hear what Myrth has done in NS beyond merely existing that is worthy of any kind of recognition. I'll be waiting to be enlightened in a future SC proposal thread.

He was a moderator back in the day; I'm a little fuzzy on when exactly, but I want to say 2003 to 2004/5?

Can't commend or condemn based upon moderator status or actions.

[Ransium]

Your submitted proposal is not legal.

Just to be clear this comment was made in reference to an early version of the proposal. I've marked the current submission legal.