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[DRAFT] Condemn Tinhampton

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[DRAFT] Condemn Tinhampton

Postby Greater Hunnia » Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:05 pm

The Security Council,

Remembering that Tinhampton was the nation behind the failed proposal to liberate The Coalition of Fascist Nations (CoFN) in hopes of making it vulnerable to raiders when and if its founder ceases to exist;

Noting that the CoFN is a region that wishes to spread its ideology via honest debate as opposed to violence or subversion, going as far to have officially disbanded their army in 2017;

Pointing out that the so called "Civil Defense Siren" is a diplomatic measure taken specifically against regions like the CoFN, and they have all the right to oppose it, despite what the liberation proposal would suggest;

Slightly amused by the liberation proposal's referal to the removal of openly hostile elements from the CoFN as "violently dealing with critics";

Realizing that the liberation proposal's claim of the CoFN "spying" upon said hostile elements cannot possibly be true due to limits on how much nations can see into each other's internal affairs and communications;

Observing that despite the liberation proposal's claims of "self-serving indoctrination", the CoFN regularly hosts debates about various of political, economical, and social issues, where greatly diverse oppinions are often voiced, facing less censorship than in most of the CoFN's ideological enemies;

Concluding that the proposal in question was based on slander and little else;

Further concluding that Tinhampton's proposal was a poorly veiled attempt to use the Security Council to strong-arm a region solely on an ideological basis;

Remembering that the Security Council's purpose is to spread interregional peace and goodwill;

Believing that such ideologically motivated attacks go against this purpose;

Worried for its own integrity;

Alarmed by the fact that the liberation proposal was not a unique case, but part of a growing trend to offensively weaponize Security Council liberations as a tool of ideological warfare;

Wishing to make an example to deter any further unfounded, slanderous proposals of this nature;

Hereby condemns Tinhampton .
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Postby Kuriko » Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:13 pm

*Yawns* Against. Writing one proposal is not enough of a reason to condemn someone. Furthermore, this reads as a propaganda piece for CoFN rather than a condemnation of Tinhampton.
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Postby New Excalibus » Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:16 pm

Tinhampton? Bah! Tinhampton is one great guy, I see him every so often on the forums. Just because he wrote one proposal that you believe is unacceptable doesn't mean you have to condemn him.
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Postby Wrapper » Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:34 pm

This is a clear-cut tit-for-tat violation. You need to have a lot more than just "they wrote a proposal to condemn our region".

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Postby Greater Hunnia » Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:46 pm

Wrapper wrote:This is a clear-cut tit-for-tat violation. You need to have a lot more than just "they wrote a proposal to condemn our region".


I think this is either the first or the second proposal draft I made...so I don't have much experience, you see. Although I think I checked the relevant rules pages, I didn't find anything regarding tit-for-that. So is that an actual thing that makes a proposal illegal, or is it just your recommendation to have something more as a basis than a failed resolution. Because frankly, I think the nominee running amok with liberations is reason enough.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:49 pm

I couldn't help but notice that you aren't in the WA. You need to be in the WA and have two endorsements to submit this.

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Postby Wrapper » Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:52 pm

Greater Hunnia wrote:I'm think this is either the first or the second proposal draft I made...so I don't have much experience, you see. Although I think I checked the relevant rules pages, I didn't find anything regarding tit-for-that. So is that an actual thing that makes a proposal ilelgal, or is it just your recommendation to have something more as a basis than a failed resolution. Because frankly, the nominee running amok with liberations is reason enough.

On tit-for-tat proposals (from the Compendium of Mod Rulings)

Basically, you need more than what you have. What else has Tinhampton done, besides writing this proposal, that merits condemnation?

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Postby Greater Hunnia » Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:02 pm

Wrapper wrote:
Greater Hunnia wrote:I'm think this is either the first or the second proposal draft I made...so I don't have much experience, you see. Although I think I checked the relevant rules pages, I didn't find anything regarding tit-for-that. So is that an actual thing that makes a proposal ilelgal, or is it just your recommendation to have something more as a basis than a failed resolution. Because frankly, the nominee running amok with liberations is reason enough.

On tit-for-tat proposals (from the Compendium of Mod Rulings)

Basically, you need more than what you have. What else has Tinhampton done, besides writing this proposal, that merits condemnation?


I see, it does seem to make a proposal illegal. With that I see no way to make this draft viable, though the proposal -as the text says- is also supposed to set an example against the abuse of liberations. If you don't think that's satisfactory, feel free to close the topic.
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Postby All Wild Things » Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:21 pm

To my mind, the best way to set an example against the abuse of Liberations would be to get some repealed. I think Tinhampton's recent attempt might give you some material to argue that the others should get repealed.
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Postby Kavagrad » Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:24 pm

No. Fashies don't get to pass resolutions.
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Postby New Excalibus » Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:45 pm

Kavagrad wrote:No. Fashies don't get to pass resolutions.

That's going a bit far in my opinion.
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Postby Kavagrad » Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:53 pm

New Excalibus wrote:
Kavagrad wrote:No. Fashies don't get to pass resolutions.

That's going a bit far in my opinion.

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In all seriousness: When a proposal is so obviously made on behalf of a fascist region, it deserves to be dismissed immediately. They always seem to hate the WA until they want to use it to attack those that criticise them, or to achieve some other ideological end goal on this site. No point encouraging them by giving them even an inch of ground.
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Postby Union of Brittannia » Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:00 pm

Ironic.

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Postby New Bremerton » Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:48 pm

You will have to condemn this nation and all those who voted to liberate CoFN as well. Extremist and authoritarian regions of all stripes or none must be utterly destroyed and their nations scattered before the wind. Nothing must remain. I would treat a totalitarian communist region in exactly the same way, no matter how small or "peaceful" they appear to be.
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Postby Azokhistan » Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:32 am

Kavagrad wrote:No. Fashies don't get to pass resolutions.


Why? Lefties shouldn't get to pass resolutions. Your ideology is far more dangerous than mine.
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Postby Caracasus » Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:34 am

Kavagrad wrote:No. Fashies don't get to pass resolutions.


Yup. Fascists certainly don't get to pass tit for tat resolutions because someone tried to liberate them.
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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:38 am

Azokhistan wrote:
Kavagrad wrote:No. Fashies don't get to pass resolutions.


Why? Lefties shouldn't get to pass resolutions. Your ideology is far more dangerous than mine.

Fascists are dangerous. It places a ideology killing based on racism discrimination and propaganda and having a totalitarian regime with charismatic leader cult

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Postby Sefy the Great » Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:40 am

Caracasus wrote:
Kavagrad wrote:No. Fashies don't get to pass resolutions.


Yup. Fascists certainly don't get to pass tit for tat resolutions because someone tried to liberate them.

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"thou members of the far-right commonality shall never be able to pass tit-for-tat resolutions, within order of both Gensec rules and their ideology.
lest this rule is broken, peace shallth reign, and order thus will prosper."
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Postby Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:09 am

Tinhampton is a really nice gal, don't smear her, she doesn't deserve that smack.
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Postby 2SDOATS » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:20 pm

Im against, because this is drivel....

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