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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:14 pm

Fedele, the Delegate of The East Pacific, has now taken to improperly trying to sway the votes of WA nations in Lazarus in violation of Lazarus' sovereignty. Earlier today, he sent a tag:WA that specifically targeted Lazarus' WA nations, asking them to vote for this commendation. Imki, Lazarus' Delegate, is the only GCR Delegate voting against. So this was a direct attempt to try to pressure Lazarus' Delegate to vote for this commendation.

Apparently, despite the huge margin by which this commendation is now passing, The East Pacific won't be content until all nine Feeders and Sinkers are voting in favor of it -- even if that means undermining the sovereignty of Lazarus to try to influence its WA vote. I guess now we see why The East Pacific is the last remaining ally of the New Pacific Order, and doesn't seem to mind the NPO's repeated violations of multiple regions' sovereignty.
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Postby Fedele » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:21 pm

Chill, Cormac. I asked her first.

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Postby Big Bad Badger » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:21 pm

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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:11 pm

Fedele wrote:Chill, Cormac. I asked her first.

Prove it. She sure didn't give any indication to anyone in Lazarus that they should be expecting a campaign telegram from a foreign Delegate.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:47 am

Here we go again...

It seems it falls to Lazarenes to explain why WA Security Council resolutions can fail to win a vote in Lazarus.

Put yourself in the shoes of a Lazarene for a moment...

Firstly, you can't assume that Lazarenes read the Security Council threads. They don't know what your resolution is about, what your region is about, or even why they should vote.

Secondly, you need to write a good WA telegram. It is not enough to get, as we got:
Please vote in favor of Commend Bachtenkuppen. His work in furthering equality and peace is an example to us all. The resolution can be found here: page=sc
This telegram doesn't tell me, as a WA member, why I should vote for this. It is someone I don't know on NS that I am being told 'furthered equality and peace'.

And if someone states 'what about the Resolution text itself?' again that doesn't explain a thing beyond what is in that text, and it doesn't explain why that should be of interest to me as a WA member.

Let's go through the text...as someone who doesn't know TEP.
Noting that Bachtendekuppen was the Delegate of The East Pacific for a period of two terms (8 months), during which it served to protect the region from the threat of the Defender Act and managed to increase activity in the community,
And...this is important to TEP, but why should this be important to me? A good point to answer in a WA telegram.
Recognizing Bachtendekuppen's mediation abilities, which allowed for the creation of treaties with The North Pacific, Osiris, Taijitu and New Pacific Order (The Pacific), along with recognizing Bachtendekuppen as the inter-regional diplomat whose advice proved exceptional,
What did Bachtendekuppen's mediation abilities involve? How was this advice exceptional? What did these treaties do? Without these answered it comes across again as...this is important to these regions...but why is it important to me, why should I vote for this?
Further recognizing Bachtendekuppen's great contribution to the University of The East Pacific, creating the Library of the history of The East Pacific, and its recent help with writing regional chronicles,
Same as above. No one knows of this University or what it does beyond writing chronicles for another region, or whether or not it has any value.
Applauding Bachtendekuppen's great work as the former Editor of the Eastern Pacific News Service (currently Ministry of Information), Minister of Foreign Affairs, Arbiter of Conclave, Minister of Culture and Education, Provost, World Assembly Delegate and many more,

Aware of Bachtendekuppen's current contribution to the region as the Magister, Vizier, member of Foreign Affairs Comittee and adviser to region-mates,
But we are not aware of this, nor have we seen these contributions or news articles. Certainly something more than a mentioning of titles, and being given an explanation of what these mean, would go a long way to making people understand why they should vote for this.
Further applauding Bachtendekuppen's undying loyalty to The East Pacific region,
Bachtendekuppen may have 'undying loyalty to The East Pacific region', but Lazarenes may have undying loyalty to Lazarus. What did Bachtendekuppen do to demonstrate undying loyalty? No one in Lazarus knows this.
Impressed with Bachtendekuppen's influence within all three parts of the regional government and several regions,
What did this influence entail? If this was a positive influence, what did this influence involve? As right now, all Lazarenes know is that a foreign nation of a foreign region did great things in foreign regions.
Further noting Bachtendekuppen's contribution to the Magisterium by drafting the Curia Act, an instrumental piece of legislature for the regional government,
What is the Curia Act? What is the Magisterium? How is any of this important? What is the contribution Bachtendekuppen made?

It isn't surprising to me that most are voting against within Lazarus, because unless they know the answers to most of these questions, they aren't likely to vote for, or vote at all (as they don't know enough).

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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:20 am

New Rogernomics wrote:It isn't surprising to me that most are voting against within Lazarus, because unless they know the answers to most of these questions, they aren't likely to vote for, or vote at all (as they don't know enough).

The lemming effect is probably more effective than informing people about the resolution to be honest. The resolution was heavily stacked against in the opening stages - it was indeed 95% against at one point early on - and I'd argue that that caused most of the votes against.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:40 am

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:
New Rogernomics wrote:It isn't surprising to me that most are voting against within Lazarus, because unless they know the answers to most of these questions, they aren't likely to vote for, or vote at all (as they don't know enough).

The lemming effect is probably more effective than informing people about the resolution to be honest. The resolution was heavily stacked against in the opening stages - it was indeed 95% against at one point early on - and I'd argue that that caused most of the votes against.
There was plenty of time to prevent that though, by informing about the resolution once the vote was pretty much assured to make it through to the Security Council vote.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:37 am

And writing a more informative proposal. There was also plenty of time to do that.
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:51 am

Fedele wrote:Chill, Cormac. I asked her first.

So, just to return to this, this was technically true, but misleading. He did ask Imki first.

What he failed to disclose is that she referred him to the minister in charge of WA affairs, but Fedele didn't get permission from that person. So while "I asked her first" was no doubt a carefully chosen phrase on Fedele's part, it was misleading. He didn't have permission from Lazarus to campaign in Lazarus.
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Postby Libertanny » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:14 am

Cormac, I fail to see why there is a need to bring New Pacific Order and recent events to this commendation.
I would love to know the answer for my concern, as I see no rational sense of connecting those two, totally different, cases.

New Rogernomics not knowing about the University of The East Pacific is a case of ignorance, rather than UTEP being unpopular.
It is now indeed closed for maintenance and revival. However, during it's living times, there was a lot of lectures and courses related to NationStates and it's Game Play or techncal cases. And as one of former Professors of it, I can ensure you that it was known within regions, as we had both students and professors who were foreigners.

On the end, I'm astonished of double-faced people, which I won't name here publicly. But some of you, those who were totally campaigning against this commendation, because of technical side of it, said it is good when I asked you for expertise. I am really astonished but yet, disgusted with that. Next time, when I ask "is it good?" tell me it's not, rather than saying it is and then campaigning against it.

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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:19 am

Commend Bachtendekuppen was passed 10,116 votes to 5,728.
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Postby Flanderlion » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:09 am

Well deserved. Congrats to both Bachtendekuppen and Libertanny.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:44 am

Libertanny wrote:Cormac, I fail to see why there is a need to bring New Pacific Order and recent events to this commendation.
I would love to know the answer for my concern, as I see no rational sense of connecting those two, totally different, cases.

New Rogernomics not knowing about the University of The East Pacific is a case of ignorance, rather than UTEP being unpopular.
It is now indeed closed for maintenance and revival. However, during it's living times, there was a lot of lectures and courses related to NationStates and it's Game Play or techncal cases. And as one of former Professors of it, I can ensure you that it was known within regions, as we had both students and professors who were foreigners.

On the end, I'm astonished of double-faced people, which I won't name here publicly. But some of you, those who were totally campaigning against this commendation, because of technical side of it, said it is good when I asked you for expertise. I am really astonished but yet, disgusted with that. Next time, when I ask "is it good?" tell me it's not, rather than saying it is and then campaigning against it.
I was not talking about me specifically on any of these points, but as a hypothetical Lazarene not knowing anything about TEP, including the UTEP.

Personally, I abstain or vote against virtually all Commendations going through the Security Council, and once a while I vote for really deserved condemnations (or because the region/nation wants to be condemned), as I don't take either too seriously.

But it passed, so that is a mute point now.

Not sure who you are talking about, but if it is Lazarus, no TG (or even Discord) campaigns were launched against the resolution, and as someone else said earlier, the effect of many voting against to begin with, encouraged others to vote against. :eyebrow:
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Postby New Rogernomics » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:47 am

Frisbeeteria wrote:
New Rogernomics wrote:But it passed, so that is a mute point now.

Aargh! It's "moot point".
That's my dyslexia playing up again... :lol:

Though my keyboard likes to also purposely not type letters, so that I have to edit things constantly.

'There' becomes 'thre', and such.

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