Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:36 am
Caracasus wrote:Actually thought this was a joke UM was in on before I read in detail. Clearly against and even more so given extra context.
I'm proud of you.
Because sometimes even national leaders just want to hang out
https://forum.nationstates.net/
Caracasus wrote:Actually thought this was a joke UM was in on before I read in detail. Clearly against and even more so given extra context.
Feux wrote:I'll vote aye if he wants this badge lol
Caracasus wrote:Aclion wrote:I'm proud of you.
UM only deserves a condemnation if it is a jokey one that they are well in on, like Chan Island's. I have got a lot of time for UM, even though I doubt we'd agree on a hell of a lot of stuff politically speaking. Apart from anything else, UM actually admitted during that recent weird liberation attempt that the region in question had a problem and seemed very genuine in their attempts to deal with it, rather than try to brush it under the rug.
The Tri State Area and Maine wrote:The only thing I see in this proposal is that he has opinions on controversial topics and that he opposes Socialism.
Obviously against regardless, though.
Caracasus wrote:The Tri State Area and Maine wrote:The only thing I see in this proposal is that he has opinions on controversial topics and that he opposes Socialism.
Obviously against regardless, though.
No reason to doubt UM here really, and they seem to think this is retaliation for kicking out some deeply unpleasent folks from a discord channel, making this even less worthy of support.
United Massachusetts wrote:United Massachusetts wrote:I have log evidence of said individual denying the legitimacy of the Israeli state, alleging a world conspiracy between Jews, Americans, and communists, and using "Jewish" in a phrase, where, given the context, it could only be construed as a slur.
He's anti-Semitic, even if he doesn't openly acknowledge as much.
In our judgement, at least. It was a conclusion reached based on the posts, their context, and other considerations. I don't take allegations like these lightly, but I think it's more likely than not that he holds some concerning anti-Semitic tendencies.
I will note that his friend who also left our server was a radical traditionalist "catholic" (read: heretic) who pulled out all the tricks, even the old "Jews killed Jesus" canard. Said person, who literally advocated the forcible conversion of Jews, also denied that they were anti-Semitic. So, I'm really not inclined to believe anything coming out of their camp.
United Massachusetts wrote:Hispanyo wrote:He's Not Anti Semitic, You're just slandering him because he's different, And Check your facts before saying things like that. You people tend to believe fascism = Nazism. Well it's not! It actually is fascism =/= nazism.
I have log evidence of said individual denying the legitimacy of the Israeli state, alleging a world conspiracy between Jews, Americans, and communists, and using "Jewish" in a phrase, where, given the context, it could only be construed as a slur.
He's anti-Semitic, even if he doesn't openly acknowledge as much.
Sijiao wrote:United Massachusetts wrote:In our judgement, at least. It was a conclusion reached based on the posts, their context, and other considerations. I don't take allegations like these lightly, but I think it's more likely than not that he holds some concerning anti-Semitic tendencies.
I will note that his friend who also left our server was a radical traditionalist "catholic" (read: heretic) who pulled out all the tricks, even the old "Jews killed Jesus" canard. Said person, who literally advocated the forcible conversion of Jews, also denied that they were anti-Semitic. So, I'm really not inclined to believe anything coming out of their camp.United Massachusetts wrote:I have log evidence of said individual denying the legitimacy of the Israeli state, alleging a world conspiracy between Jews, Americans, and communists, and using "Jewish" in a phrase, where, given the context, it could only be construed as a slur.
He's anti-Semitic, even if he doesn't openly acknowledge as much.
Where is this really? Are you simply fabricating this just to find a way to demonize anyone with a different viewpoint? I would like to see this "evidence", that these nations are what you claim to be.
RECOGNIZING that United Massachusetts (hereby referred to as UM) is a prominent member-nation of The East Pacific, with a presence in Right To Life by way of the puppet Massachusetts United,
UNDERSTANDING that UM is seen by many as a promulgator of Catholic social teaching and the pro-life cause throughout numerous regions,
RECALLING that UM seeks to implement the abolition of the death penalty among all World Assembly-affiliated nations, consequently advocating for the usage of resources and tax revenues to sustain the continued existence of the worst and most vile offenders,
NOTING that UM opposes effective authoritarian government models and reflects this bias both in its campaigning activities for World Assembly resolutions and in its activities as a member of the inter-regional community, working against the interests of communist and fascist regions alike,
DISTRESSED that UM, in spite of professing dedication to social welfare, fails to comprehend the enormous potentialities of a state-controlled economy,
United Massachusetts wrote:Hispanyo wrote:He's Not Anti Semitic, You're just slandering him because he's different, And Check your facts before saying things like that. You people tend to believe fascism = Nazism. Well it's not! It actually is fascism =/= nazism.
I have log evidence of said individual denying the legitimacy of the Israeli state, alleging a world conspiracy between Jews, Americans, and communists, and using "Jewish" in a phrase, where, given the context, it could only be construed as a slur.
He's anti-Semitic, even if he doesn't openly acknowledge as much.
Consular wrote:United Massachusetts wrote:I have log evidence of said individual denying the legitimacy of the Israeli state, alleging a world conspiracy between Jews, Americans, and communists, and using "Jewish" in a phrase, where, given the context, it could only be construed as a slur.
He's anti-Semitic, even if he doesn't openly acknowledge as much.
Denying the legitimacy of Israel is not anti-semitic. The rest though, yeah
Anti-Defamation League wrote:Words or actions related to Israel are anti-Semitic when they blame all Jews for the actions of the state, single out Israel in denying the country’s right to exist as a Jewish state and an equal member of the global community, use anti-Jewish stereotypes or conspiracy theories (such as accusations of Jewish world domination), or traditional anti-Semitic imagery or comparisons to Nazis.
International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance wrote:Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:
Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor...
Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation...
Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
Consular wrote:United Massachusetts wrote:I have log evidence of said individual denying the legitimacy of the Israeli state, alleging a world conspiracy between Jews, Americans, and communists, and using "Jewish" in a phrase, where, given the context, it could only be construed as a slur.
He's anti-Semitic, even if he doesn't openly acknowledge as much.
Denying the legitimacy of Israel is not anti-semitic. The rest though, yeah
Consular wrote:United Massachusetts wrote:I have log evidence of said individual denying the legitimacy of the Israeli state, alleging a world conspiracy between Jews, Americans, and communists, and using "Jewish" in a phrase, where, given the context, it could only be construed as a slur.
He's anti-Semitic, even if he doesn't openly acknowledge as much.
Denying the legitimacy of Israel is not anti-semitic. The rest though, yeah
Consular wrote:I'm just wary because there are plenty of things about Israel that absolutely should be criticised -- and some disreputable Israeli politicians use anti-semitism as a shield. It is very possible to criticise the state, including its right to exist as a state, without any ill will towards Jewish people. But this is getting too NSG so let's stop.