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[DRAFT] Condemn United Massachusetts

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[DRAFT] Condemn United Massachusetts

Postby Sijiao » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:29 pm

The Security Council,

RECOGNIZING that United Massachusetts (hereby referred to as UM) is a prominent member-nation of The East Pacific, with a presence in Right To Life by way of the puppet Massachusetts United,

UNDERSTANDING that UM is seen by many as a promulgator of Catholic social teaching and the pro-life cause throughout numerous regions,

APPALLED that UM rejects potential allies to the cause of Right To Life in the name of its personal social-democratic political prejudices and in so doing undermines its own position,

RECALLING that UM seeks to implement the abolition of the death penalty among all World Assembly-affiliated nations, consequently advocating for the usage of resources and tax revenues to sustain the continued existence of the worst and most vile offenders,

NOTING that UM opposes effective authoritarian government models and reflects this bias both in its campaigning activities for World Assembly resolutions and in its activities as a member of the inter-regional community, working against the interests of communist and fascist regions alike,

DISTRESSED that UM, in spite of professing dedication to social welfare, fails to comprehend the enormous potentialities of a state-controlled economy,

This resolution hereby condemns United Massachusetts.

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Postby Aclion » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:32 pm

Absolutely not.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:34 pm

Sijiao wrote:The Security Council,

RECOGNIZING that United Massachusetts (hereby referred to as UM) is a prominent member-nation of The East Pacific, with a presence in Right To Life by way of the puppet Massachusetts United,

UNDERSTANDING that UM is seen by many as a promulgator of Catholic social teaching and the pro-life cause throughout numerous regions,

APPALLED that UM rejects potential allies to the cause of Right To Life in the name of its personal social-democratic political prejudices and in so doing undermines its own position,

RECALLING that UM seeks to implement the abolition of the death penalty among all World Assembly-affiliated nations, consequently advocating for the usage of resources and tax revenues to sustain the continued existence of the worst and most vile offenders,

NOTING that UM opposes effective authoritarian government models and reflects this bias both in its campaigning activities for World Assembly resolutions and in its activities as a member of the inter-regional community, working against the interests of communist and fascist regions alike,

DISTRESSED that UM, in spite of professing dedication to social welfare, fails to comprehend the enormous potentialities of a state-controlled economy,

This resolution hereby condemns United Massachusetts.

OOC: While the devious side of me thinks it would be hilarious if UM was condemned, the more rational side of me thinks that this is a bit threadbare in terms of justification.
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Postby New Waldensia » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:34 pm

Vehemently opposed to this laughable proposal.
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Postby Ru- » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:35 pm

Ru would oppose. While we may often disagree with UM's politics, they are a tireless contributor to our assembly, authored and assisted with resolutions that remain popular to this day, and have always debated with grace and civility. If anything, they should be commended.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:48 pm

This is a dumb proposal
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Postby Ransium » Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:04 pm

I’ve marked it illegal R4a for catholic among other unexplained RL refrences.

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Postby Kurnugia » Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:08 pm

How dare he care about the life of a human being beyond childbirth?! That is an absolute monster!
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Postby United Massachusetts » Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:42 pm

Sijiao wrote:APPALLED that UM rejects potential allies to the cause of Right To Life in the name of its personal social-democratic political prejudices and in so doing undermines its own position,

Yeah. For context, there was an anti-Semitic fascist who slid into our server, seeking an alliance with Right to Life. Right to Life does not support fascism nor tolerate its presence in our Discord. I banned said fascist, who happened to be from the same region as the proposer here.
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Postby Consular » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:13 pm

Gonna have to be a nope.

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Postby Phydios » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:14 pm

Kurnugia wrote:How dare he care about the life of a human being beyond childbirth?! That is an absolute monster!

I'd like to know what you're implying.

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Postby Hispanyo » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:45 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Sijiao wrote:APPALLED that UM rejects potential allies to the cause of Right To Life in the name of its personal social-democratic political prejudices and in so doing undermines its own position,

Yeah. For context, there was an anti-Semitic fascist who slid into our server, seeking an alliance with Right to Life. Right to Life does not support fascism nor tolerate its presence in our Discord. I banned said fascist, who happened to be from the same region as the proposer here.

He's Not Anti Semitic, You're just slandering him because he's different, And Check your facts before saying things like that. You people tend to believe fascism = Nazism. Well it's not! It actually is fascism =/= nazism.
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Postby Ithreland » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:50 pm

Hispanyo wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:Yeah. For context, there was an anti-Semitic fascist who slid into our server, seeking an alliance with Right to Life. Right to Life does not support fascism nor tolerate its presence in our Discord. I banned said fascist, who happened to be from the same region as the proposer here.

He's Not Anti Semitic, You're just slandering him because he's different, And Check your facts before saying things like that. You people tend to believe fascism = Nazism. Well it's not! It actually is fascism =/= nazism.


Do you know for certain that he didn't say something that could be construed as antisemitism?
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Postby United Massachusetts » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:53 pm

Hispanyo wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:Yeah. For context, there was an anti-Semitic fascist who slid into our server, seeking an alliance with Right to Life. Right to Life does not support fascism nor tolerate its presence in our Discord. I banned said fascist, who happened to be from the same region as the proposer here.

He's Not Anti Semitic, You're just slandering him because he's different, And Check your facts before saying things like that. You people tend to believe fascism = Nazism. Well it's not! It actually is fascism =/= nazism.

I have log evidence of said individual denying the legitimacy of the Israeli state, alleging a world conspiracy between Jews, Americans, and communists, and using "Jewish" in a phrase, where, given the context, it could only be construed as a slur.

He's anti-Semitic, even if he doesn't openly acknowledge as much.
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Queen Yuno wrote:You have a very contradictory rep yourself, [UM].
Sanctaria wrote:We get it. You're pro-life.
Davelands wrote:(UM tries to slip another one by)
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Davelands wrote:Remember that United Mass is extremely on the religious right side. Look for hidden gotcha's for later. He is playing a long game with proposals...
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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:35 pm

Against. He has a right to deny fascist regions and I do not see any point in condemning a pro life social democratic nation who has proposed basic rights proposals.

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Postby Alkasia » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:46 pm

There is no way you're going to get a condemnation of anyone passed based on opposition to fascism. Also I personally think abolition of the death penalty sounds great. And while I am pro-choice, it would be awfully petty of me to support a condemnation based solely on my views of that matter.

This proposal warrants nothing deserving of a condemnation and lacks any sort of substance in regards to anything that would make UM deserving of one. Probably because there isn't much of that to begin with.
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Postby Hispanyo » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:48 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Hispanyo wrote:He's Not Anti Semitic, You're just slandering him because he's different, And Check your facts before saying things like that. You people tend to believe fascism = Nazism. Well it's not! It actually is fascism =/= nazism.

I have log evidence of said individual denying the legitimacy of the Israeli state, alleging a world conspiracy between Jews, Americans, and communists, and using "Jewish" in a phrase, where, given the context, it could only be construed as a slur.

He's anti-Semitic, even if he doesn't openly acknowledge as much.

Show me then.
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Postby United Massachusetts » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:10 pm

Let me get the evidence and send via tg, Hispanyo
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Sanctaria wrote:We get it. You're pro-life.
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Davelands wrote:Remember that United Mass is extremely on the religious right side. Look for hidden gotcha's for later. He is playing a long game with proposals...
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Postby Aclion » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:16 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Sijiao wrote:APPALLED that UM rejects potential allies to the cause of Right To Life in the name of its personal social-democratic political prejudices and in so doing undermines its own position,

Yeah. For context, there was an anti-Semitic fascist who slid into our server, seeking an alliance with Right to Life. Right to Life does not support fascism nor tolerate its presence in our Discord. I banned said fascist, who happened to be from the same region as the proposer here.

[an even stronger objection then absolutely not]
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Postby United Massachusetts » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:29 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Hispanyo wrote:He's Not Anti Semitic, You're just slandering him because he's different, And Check your facts before saying things like that. You people tend to believe fascism = Nazism. Well it's not! It actually is fascism =/= nazism.

I have log evidence of said individual denying the legitimacy of the Israeli state, alleging a world conspiracy between Jews, Americans, and communists, and using "Jewish" in a phrase, where, given the context, it could only be construed as a slur.

He's anti-Semitic, even if he doesn't openly acknowledge as much.

In our judgement, at least. It was a conclusion reached based on the posts, their context, and other considerations. I don't take allegations like these lightly, but I think it's more likely than not that he holds some concerning anti-Semitic tendencies.

I will note that his friend who also left our server was a radical traditionalist "catholic" (read: heretic) who pulled out all the tricks, even the old "Jews killed Jesus" canard. Said person, who literally advocated the forcible conversion of Jews, also denied that they were anti-Semitic. So, I'm really not inclined to believe anything coming out of their camp.
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Assistant: Father Carl Sullivan

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Queen Yuno wrote:You have a very contradictory rep yourself, [UM].
Sanctaria wrote:We get it. You're pro-life.
Davelands wrote:(UM tries to slip another one by)
Wallenburg wrote:You've got to be the most ignorant person on this Discord.
Davelands wrote:Remember that United Mass is extremely on the religious right side. Look for hidden gotcha's for later. He is playing a long game with proposals...
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Postby Caracasus » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:56 pm

Actually thought this was a joke UM was in on before I read in detail. Clearly against and even more so given extra context.
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Postby New Bremerton » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:07 pm

I may disagree with UM on capital punishment and abortion, but he has done nothing to warrant any sort of condemnation. Totally AGAINST.
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Postby Visionary Union » Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:27 am

You want to condemn someone on the base of opposing racism? Yep, good luck there. Despite being pro-choice, I will not vote for this resolution just because I disagree with his political views.

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Postby Democratic Empire of Romania » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:22 am

No
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Postby Kuriko » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:25 am

Reading through this thread, yeah that's a no from me. Not happening.
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