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[PASSED] Condemn Chan Island

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Postby Cobrastantheglorious » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:24 am

ı am new to this game can someone explain how can ı do it

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Postby Sethtekia » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:31 am

Ransium wrote:
The World Assembly,

Aware that national leaders across the multiverse are constantly confronted with dilemmas that present no good solution or whose outcomes unexpectedly negatively impact their countries;

Convinced that the source of many of these problems are the covert operations of a single nation, who acts to unleash chaos and mayhem onto the multiverse;

Presenting the nation of Chan Island (which has re-branded itself in a desperate attempt to escape the crimes of its former regime Annihilators of Chan Island), a nation whose desire to spread chaos across all nations is so great that few leaders have been spared the vexation of dealing with its actions;

Shocked to trace at least twenty-four distinct covert operations that impact nations across the multiverse to the regime (fifteen originating from the Annihilators of Chan Island, nine from Chan Island);

Finding each unearthed effort more reprobate and villainous than the last, but, for the sake of brevity, summarizing a few of the most heinous as follows:

  • Operation: That Sinking Feeling - wherein Annihilators of Chan Island were ultimately responsible for the sinking of a passenger ship, killing all occupants while making international emergency services look completely inept;
  • Operation: Police on Overkill Mode? - wherein Annihilators of Chan Island encouraged internal discord in various nations by highlighting and exaggerating police brutality;
  • Operation: Dial L for Loan - wherein Annihilators of Chan Island covertly encouraged cash-strapped nations to take advantage of weaker states for national gain, thus fomenting international strife;
  • Operation: Have War Crimes, Will Travel - wherein Annihilators of Chan Island secretly encouraged world leaders to violate international safe conduct passes in an effort to make an unfavorable environment for international diplomacy;
  • Operation: Guided Missiles and Misguided Men - wherein Chan Island repeatedly leaked information in order to force national leaders into the impossible position of either killing innocent children in a drone strike or letting an infamous terrorist escape;
  • Operation: So... That Worked - wherein Chan Island encouraged civil wars in nations across the multiverse;
Noting the Annihilators of Chan Island's direct assistance in the occupation and destruction of numerous regions including:

Clarifying that Annihilators of Chan Island was not a participant in the use of illegal super-weapons by the latter two organizations;

Concluding that some nations seed chaos in the multiverse merely for the pleasure of watching it burn and that such nations must not go unchallenged by this august body;

Hereby condemns Chan Island.

Co-Authored by Lord Dominator.


War Crimes do not exist. There are no illegal weapons. If you legislate these weapons illegal they are ineffective. Are you going to raid nations that have stock piles of biological weapons and Nerve Agents?

These resolutions are notoriously dangerous as your abusing power to force upon nations. The GNE is disgusted by the abuse of power your using because to win war you gotta break a few eggs. Anything icky is called a war crime by you peoples.
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Postby The Cascade Regions » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:53 am

Well written. Full support.

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Postby Armaros » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:01 am

Sethtekia wrote:
There are no illegal weapons.

You mean that illegal tools breaking site rules which are used to attack regions should not be considered "illegal weapons"?
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Postby Ransium » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:14 am

Sethtekia wrote:
Ransium wrote:


War Crimes do not exist. There are no illegal weapons. If you legislate these weapons illegal they are ineffective. Are you going to raid nations that have stock piles of biological weapons and Nerve Agents?

These resolutions are notoriously dangerous as your abusing power to force upon nations. The GNE is disgusted by the abuse of power your using because to win war you gotta break a few eggs. Anything icky is called a war crime by you peoples.


Can you explain to me what your problem is OOC? Because I’m lost.

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Postby Wrapper » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:41 am

Sethtekia wrote:There are no illegal weapons.

The proposal is referring to the Predator scandal. A proposal cannot directly reference the game or any of its game components, or else it would be struck down as illegal under Security Council Rule 4(c). SC authors have creatively found a way around that by equating the usage Predator, a raiding tool that violates site rules, as the usage of illegal weapons.

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Postby All Wild Things » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:44 am

Picks jaw off floor.
Fantastically well written. Very imaginative approach. Well done!

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Postby Sethtekia » Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:47 pm

Armaros wrote:
Sethtekia wrote:
There are no illegal weapons.

You mean that illegal tools breaking site rules which are used to attack regions should not be considered "illegal weapons"?


I was not aware he was using illegal tools to the game. I was merely posting from an IC Perspective. If he is using illegal tools that violate the games terms of service then specify that. I have no qualms with torching cheaters.
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Postby B4kst4br » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:21 pm

The USSB condemns the use of illegal weapons. While we do not condemn the acts taken by Chan Nation specifically, there is no reason to use such illegal weapons to accomplish it.

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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:23 pm

B4kst4br wrote:The USSB condemns the use of illegal weapons. While we do not condemn the acts taken by Chan Nation specifically, there is no reason to use such illegal weapons to accomplish it.

Chan didn't actually use Predator, the "illegal weapons" being alluded to in this proposal.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:55 pm

Chan did not use Predator, the illegal tool in question, and the resolution states that as specifically as we can.
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Postby Demiurges » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:00 pm

Personally I'm against. There is little to condemn aside from making actively morbid issues, that in hindsight, are enjoyable, if only for the fact that all their issues seem to inevitably improve various stats I personally enjoy (DF stat, Weapons Manufacturing, and Scientific Advancement seem to jump by leaps and bounds with) Chans issues that they have authored. Even my economic output improves drastically with said issues, so personally I'm going to vote against. Not to mention this seems more an RP and personal issue, rather than a genuine crisis worth the SC's attention. If they were genuinely doing something wrong that would be one thing, but from this proposal it seems more like a personal grudge against the issues that can easily be 'dismissed' rather than having any real merit to this condemnation.
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Postby Laugusia » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:01 pm

how is it that Chan island was not apprehended before ? yes i agree wit condemning it but perhaps there should be a list of all its crimes posted some where that all nations will see it and if it ever tries to come back they will know what to do

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Postby Demiurges » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:02 pm

Sethtekia wrote:
Ransium wrote:


War Crimes do not exist. There are no illegal weapons. If you legislate these weapons illegal they are ineffective. Are you going to raid nations that have stock piles of biological weapons and Nerve Agents?

These resolutions are notoriously dangerous as your abusing power to force upon nations. The GNE is disgusted by the abuse of power your using because to win war you gotta break a few eggs. Anything icky is called a war crime by you peoples.


Agreed.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:07 pm

I think people are mistaking that our intention is to punish Chan, which isn't it.
Condemnations are generally seen as rewards, and given the character/nation that Chan plays, it seemed appropriate to write it as a Condemn, and write his issue authoring in a way that makes it sound bad.
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Postby The Tri State Area and Maine » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:52 pm

Demiurges wrote:Personally I'm against. There is little to condemn aside from making actively morbid issues, that in hindsight, are enjoyable, if only for the fact that all their issues seem to inevitably improve various stats I personally enjoy (DF stat, Weapons Manufacturing, and Scientific Advancement seem to jump by leaps and bounds with) Chans issues that they have authored. Even my economic output improves drastically with said issues, so personally I'm going to vote against. Not to mention this seems more an RP and personal issue, rather than a genuine crisis worth the SC's attention. If they were genuinely doing something wrong that would be one thing, but from this proposal it seems more like a personal grudge against the issues that can easily be 'dismissed' rather than having any real merit to this condemnation.


As LD said, the proposal is rewarding Chan for their efforts, just through a condemnation.

Definitely For.

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Postby Firstaria » Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:22 am

On one side is a Condemnation. A well-rotten institute that the WA higher chambers don't want to adress the ineffectiveness, even in the face on how some people even take that as a badge of honor.

On the other side, we cannot deny the efforts of the proposer, the details of it...and the fact that our government has a fierce stance against any kind of invader action.

Overall for, but I will misuse this to still give voice to the call for a resolution to the Condemnation ineffectiveness problem.
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Postby Tel Maresh » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:03 am

we of Tel Maresh hear the cries of our fellow nations and so give our full support to condemning this sinister nation and their upheaval of the process of this council and this world.


ooc: okay, seriously, it took reading this whole thread before i remembered this is all in fun, so let's keep the too-literal to a minimum to avoid confusing new people like me. in other news, now i know that condemnations are often used as rewards for very active players, so that's cool.

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Postby Ransium » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:56 am

Tel Maresh wrote:we of Tel Maresh hear the cries of our fellow nations and so give our full support to condemning this sinister nation and their upheaval of the process of this council and this world.


ooc: okay, seriously, it took reading this whole thread before i remembered this is all in fun, so let's keep the too-literal to a minimum to avoid confusing new people like me. in other news, now i know that condemnations are often used as rewards for very active players, so that's cool.


Don’t worry the SC has many layers. The hardest thing is to take the time to carefully craft something and then have a ton of people completely misinterpret it though, so thanks for taking the time to really understand it.

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Postby Firstaria » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:13 am

OOC: Look dude, it's the first proposal that is not a personal battle between people who cannot sit around a table and talk, and it's well written, so it's gonna pass.

The rest of the argumentation is just about the status of the SC, not you.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:30 pm

Condemn Chan Island was passed 12,313 votes to 3,536.
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Postby Chan Island » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:59 am

A pair of Chan Islander pirates lie on the island's beach, watching a wonderful new sunrise. One of them, assault in hand, turns to the other, and observes, "Is it true that the world hates us?"

The other, surprised to hear this, responds. "Can't think of why. We're an honest, productive island who skim the wealth of others to survive, engage violently on the international stage for our own amusement, and there was that one time we banned everything in the old regime."

"Yeah. You're right. The rest of the world is silly."


Thank you very much NationStates! I am very pleased with this badge, especially for being attached to a resolution so well-written and such an accurate reflection of my time on this site.

Thank you to everyone who voted for, especially Siwale for throwing in that 1000 point vote in so early in the voting. I had heard the TNP was considering voting against too, so "extremely pleased" doesn't begin to describe my reaction upon seeing that.

To those who voted against... thanks for keeping me neurotically checking the polls so frequently. :p

Most of all, none of this would have happened without Ransium and Lord Dominator. For that, there is nothing I can say except that you 2 have oodles of gratitude.

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