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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:38 am

Against for mentioning a harasser as one of the supporters

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Postby Miss Bad Life Choices » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:17 am

Assuming you find a way to include the list of supports (you stubborn people :p) Lamoni is listed twice.
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Postby Armaros » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:18 am

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:Against for mentioning a harasser as one of the supporters

Which one?
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Postby Aclion » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:41 am

Armaros wrote:
Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:Against for mentioning a harasser as one of the supporters

Which one?

If it's the person I think it is he can't say, because it was a transparently political charge for offsite harassment for which evidence was never shared with other administrators because the government knew if they did GP would just make fun of them over how laughable calling it harassment is(we did anyway). Identifying the person as a harrasor on NS would invoke mod wrath.
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Postby Kuriko » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:22 pm

Alright, ill admit that when I first looked I just skimmed it. But really, this proposal is wacked. It definitely reads more like propaganda and religious than a commendation of someone's accomplishments. I definitely won't support unless it goes through a major re-write into proper legislation, and the religious aspect is removed. Yuno is a person, not a religious idol. And she deserves better.
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Postby Alkasia » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:33 pm

I mean it's been decided that the list is illegal. So lots of extra space to make the proposal better!

I think the list of names could go in a dispatch. And that way we can fit all of them too.
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Postby Sanjurika » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:34 pm

Some things seem a bit much...

Would support though
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Postby Aenglaland » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:55 am

Kuriko wrote:But really, this proposal is wacked. It definitely reads more like propaganda and religious than a commendation of someone's accomplishments.

This sentence is more than enough to express my thoughts. It's just plain, sad propaganda. I don't see any reason to support this
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:09 pm

Given recent revelations regarding both Yuno's destruction of the TEP Discord server, and the reasons that were actually behind it, I do not think she can be an acceptable candidate for commendation for quite some time moving forward.

The destruction of offsite property has always been considered one of the worst things one can do, and commending someone who is the equivalent of a forum destroyer would be a massive compromise of our values.
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Postby Tupelope » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:18 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:Given recent revelations regarding both Yuno's destruction of the TEP Discord server, and the reasons that were actually behind it, I do not think she can be an acceptable candidate for commendation for quite some time moving forward.

The destruction of offsite property has always been considered one of the worst things one can do, and commending someone who is the equivalent of a forum destroyer would be a massive compromise of our values.

Can you elaborate one what happened to the TEP discord for those not aware?

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Postby Kuriko » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:20 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:Given recent revelations regarding both Yuno's destruction of the TEP Discord server, and the reasons that were actually behind it, I do not think she can be an acceptable candidate for commendation for quite some time moving forward.

The destruction of offsite property has always been considered one of the worst things one can do, and commending someone who is the equivalent of a forum destroyer would be a massive compromise of our values.

Wait wait, what? I'm guessing you're referencing the old server, but can you elaborate please Tim?
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:30 pm

Kuriko wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:Given recent revelations regarding both Yuno's destruction of the TEP Discord server, and the reasons that were actually behind it, I do not think she can be an acceptable candidate for commendation for quite some time moving forward.

The destruction of offsite property has always been considered one of the worst things one can do, and commending someone who is the equivalent of a forum destroyer would be a massive compromise of our values.

Wait wait, what? I'm guessing you're referencing the old server, but can you elaborate please Tim?

The culling of most of TEP's server channels is what he is referring to. Not the moving of servers from way back when.
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Postby Democratic Empire of Romania » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:32 pm

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Postby Tim-Opolis » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:01 pm

Tupelope wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:Given recent revelations regarding both Yuno's destruction of the TEP Discord server, and the reasons that were actually behind it, I do not think she can be an acceptable candidate for commendation for quite some time moving forward.

The destruction of offsite property has always been considered one of the worst things one can do, and commending someone who is the equivalent of a forum destroyer would be a massive compromise of our values.

Can you elaborate one what happened to the TEP discord for those not aware?


Yuno chose to delete every channel/the content of every channel on the Discord server of The East Pacific, before she transferred over ownership to Fedele. Full-scale wipe. Shadier yet are the backed-up-by-logs revelations that she did this at the behest of Drachen.

Whole it seems that backups were made, it's unlikely that people willbe able to all too easily access and peruse them, and it'll be literally impossible to restore the hundreds of thousands of messages back onto the server.

Kuriko, you're guessing wrong, the events I'm referring to occured in the last few days.
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Postby Alkasia » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:25 pm

To initiate such a massive wipe of information right before a transfer of power is... quite problematic.
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Postby Malphe » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:29 pm

Alkasia wrote:To initiate such a massive wipe of information right before a transfer of power is... quite problematic.

Yeah, it's more than a bit questionable.
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Postby Kuriko » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:50 pm

Alkasia wrote:To initiate such a massive wipe of information right before a transfer of power is... quite problematic.

Its not just problematic, its downright sketchy af.
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Postby Marxmeans » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:30 pm

Besides the questionable ally list, it would seem contradictory to have TEP liberated as per SC#247 while also giving Queen Yuno a commendation.

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Postby Queen Yuno » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:07 pm

(These fake rumors have led me to lose 90% of my regular friends and 99% of my BFFs who have blocked/deleted me, over a smear campaign attempt on me using fake out-of-context misinformation.)

Please do NOT believe the fake rumors you hear about me, actually, telegram/message me on Discord to hear my side of the story. Please listen to my side as well (consider both sides) before judging.

These fake rumors and out of context screencaps have led to some members of the NSGP community believing that I in fact would help cover up another player's heinous crimes. I am disappointed that members of the community did not reach out to me before making assumptions; especially those who have called me a friend. If they had, I would have provided the context and explained the simple fact that I did provide backups of all the logs beforehand. I am prepared to respond to any questions about this issue as the safety of the community is also a major concern of mine.

I'm not saying I'm an angel, far from it, but I want to dispell a LOT of the fake rumors about me(99% of them are fake.) So, please consider hearing me out (and getting the FULL context) before jumping to conclusions about me. Thank you~~
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Postby Aclion » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:05 pm

Yuno has the best rumors. Just the best. Everyone says so.

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Postby Ru- » Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:34 am

Kuriko wrote:Alright, ill admit that when I first looked I just skimmed it. But really, this proposal is wacked. It definitely reads more like propaganda and religious than a commendation of someone's accomplishments. I definitely won't support unless it goes through a major re-write into proper legislation, and the religious aspect is removed. Yuno is a person, not a religious idol. And she deserves better.


This is my view. Yuno probably deserves a badge but the way it's written is just way too annoyingly goofy for me to vote in favor of

I doubt it'll matter in the slightest, all the big delegates are friends and love these kinds of silly ego games, but whatever
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Postby Escade » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:14 pm

Just to clarify because I hate misinformation and also politicization of actually shitty things:

1. Yuno did not and does not support harrassment. No one on NS can blame anyone for talking to a player who later turns out to be a bad person. Most of us know at least one person like that and may have been friendly with them until we learned the truth. When it came down to it she did the right thing and got actions taken by the admin team.

2. While you can argue about the merits of how it is written and stuff, if you don't feel the player should be commended say your piece without false accusations and move on.

3. One honest IC mistake doesn't harm a player's contributions to the game.
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Postby Cotolon » Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:14 am

Escade wrote:3. One honest IC mistake doesn't harm a player's contributions to the game.

Depending on the blunder it very much can affect a player's standing and the attitude of players towards them.

Since Yuno has said she doesn't want it (And UM is weirdly quiet) I think this is done anyway. Felt like a self commend through another face anyway.

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Postby United Massachusetts » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:58 am

Cotolon wrote:
Escade wrote:3. One honest IC mistake doesn't harm a player's contributions to the game.

Depending on the blunder it very much can affect a player's standing and the attitude of players towards them.

Since Yuno has said she doesn't want it (And UM is weirdly quiet) I think this is done anyway. Felt like a self commend through another face anyway.

UM is weirdly quiet because he's working on significant revisions to this.
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Postby Escade » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:20 am

Time and space also help with some things. There are some very "interesting" players commended and condemned so I guess we will see what happens.
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