Proposal:Liberate the Communist Bloc

[Caracasus]

Well shit folks, you heard the man. He has encountered me ONCE before! Therefore he knows lots about me.

Defending socialism at least once?! Commie bastard! /s

Eh, you see it a lot in real life too. When advocating for a healthcare system that actually functions is communism, you wind up just describing everyone to the left of... well, basically the republican party and most of the democrat party as communists. I kind of wonder how many social democrats and liberals (in the US sense of the word) wound up as more hard left because of it.

[Estonland]

Indeed. They don't work in the case of a region the size of TCB, even without an active Founder. Your region's numbers might decline over a long period, but TCB's so large now it probably won't matter.

I am starting to see Liberations and the WA being used more and more for political tools that for it's true purpose nowadays. Do I stand alone in this?

Nope, I agree too

[Merendia]

I am starting to see Liberations and the WA being used more and more for political tools that for it's true purpose nowadays. Do I stand alone in this?

Nope, I agree too

Good. It's upsetting no doubt but not suprising none the less.

[Caracasus]

Nope, I agree too

Good. It's upsetting no doubt but not suprising none the less.

Eh, once an offensive liberation against a fascist region has been passed there's usually a spat of copycat proposals. Almost always they are aimed at reasonably high profile communist regions. Admittedly I don't think anyone's condemned the player who launched the resolution before...

[Solorni]

This proposal is silly and I will vote against should a legal version be produced and come to a vote.

[Merendia]

Good. It's upsetting no doubt but not suprising none the less.

Eh, once an offensive liberation against a fascist region has been passed there's usually a spat of copycat proposals. Almost always they are aimed at reasonably high profile communist regions. Admittedly I don't think anyone's condemned the player who launched the resolution before...

So it's typical, using the legal legislative body of the World Assembly to further their goals in the battle between Fascists and Communists.

This proposal is silly and I will vote against should a legal version be produced and come to a vote.

I agree. How is Balder nowadays by the way?

[Caracasus]

Eh, once an offensive liberation against a fascist region has been passed there's usually a spat of copycat proposals. Almost always they are aimed at reasonably high profile communist regions. Admittedly I don't think anyone's condemned the player who launched the resolution before...

So it's typical, using the legal legislative body of the World Assembly to further their goals in the battle between Fascists and Communists.

This proposal is silly and I will vote against should a legal version be produced and come to a vote.

I agree. How is Balder nowadays by the way?

Not really. More like everyone vs fascists followed by fascists and fascist sympathisers going 'but communism!'

Seriously, there were liberals, conservatives and tories arguing against fascists during that liberation.

Oh not to mention I am reasonably sure the author of the liberation isn't a card carrying communist.

[New Waldensia]

I am starting to see Liberations and the WA being used more and more for political tools that for it's true purpose nowadays. Do I stand alone in this?

Absolutely. The Liberation feature is being abused and has been abused ever since the first time when it was used for political retribution and attack instead of its original purpose -- liberating regions on behalf of natives from hostile invaders. It should never have been allowed to take happen in the first place.

[Kavagrad]

Absolutely. The Liberation feature is being abused and has been abused ever since the first time when it was used for political retribution and attack instead of its original purpose -- liberating regions on behalf of natives from hostile invaders. It should never have been allowed to take happen in the first place.

Of course, a member of FCN would say that

[Lalop]

If you can show me evidence that TCB as a region is supporting/advocating killing millions (or similar hateful activities) for communism, or knowingly allowing people to internally advocate for such (and write the resolution better), I'll support. Until then, no.

TCB suports millions of people dead because they support communism,which has killed millions of people in China Russia and Eastern Europe. Also,they have a dangerous vendetta against facism,which after ww2 resulted in them killing millions of people for no good reason.

[Lalop]

Most of the people who dont like this prop are members of the CB or commies themselves. SAD!

[Kavagrad]

If you can show me evidence that TCB as a region is supporting/advocating killing millions (or similar hateful activities) for communism, or knowingly allowing people to internally advocate for such (and write the resolution better), I'll support. Until then, no.

TCB suports millions of people dead because they support communism,which has killed millions of people in China Russia and Eastern Europe. Also,they have a dangerous vendetta against facism,which after ww2 resulted in them killing millions of people for no good reason.

And yet you wonder why your resolutions keep getting declared illegal...

Most of the people who dont like this prop are members of the CB ore commies themselves. SAD!

And Lalop just keeps on endearing themselves to the community...

[Lalop]

TCB suports millions of people dead because they support communism,which has killed millions of people in China Russia and Eastern Europe. Also,they have a dangerous vendetta against facism,which after ww2 resulted in them killing millions of people for no good reason.

And yet you wonder why your resolutions keep getting declared illegal...

Most of the people who dont like this prop are members of the CB ore commies themselves. SAD!

And Lalop just keeps on endearing themselves to the community...

To be honest Im starting to think that a perfect NS would be a NS when centrists and rightist control the WA,and leftisits are forced to migrate from region to region. So the opposite of the current situation.

[Caracasus]

If you can show me evidence that TCB as a region is supporting/advocating killing millions (or similar hateful activities) for communism, or knowingly allowing people to internally advocate for such (and write the resolution better), I'll support. Until then, no.

TCB suports millions of people dead because they support communism,which has killed millions of people in China Russia and Eastern Europe. Also,they have a dangerous vendetta against facism,which after ww2 resulted in them killing millions of people for no good reason.

Name a dominant ideology that has not had some horror or another carried out in its name. By this logic you should first condemn any capitalist or liberal region. Body count olympics is not a good measure of itself of an ideology.

[Lalop]

TCB suports millions of people dead because they support communism,which has killed millions of people in China Russia and Eastern Europe. Also,they have a dangerous vendetta against facism,which after ww2 resulted in them killing millions of people for no good reason.

Name a dominant ideology that has not had some horror or another carried out in its name. By this logic you should first condemn any capitalist or liberal region. Body count olympics is not a good measure of itself of an ideology.

Libertarianism.

[Lalop]

Communism is also a hateful political thought due to it NEVER WORKING! Demarcry has failed but its also worked to. Communism only fails. Every communist state is always a tolitarien place.

[Kavagrad]

And yet you wonder why your resolutions keep getting declared illegal...

And Lalop just keeps on endearing themselves to the community...

To be honest Im starting to think that a perfect NS would be a NS when centrists and rightist control the WA,and leftisits are forced to migrate from region to region. So the opposite of the current situation.

“Starting”

Okay, so if you didn’t believe that before you wrote the Liberation, why did you write it, hmm? What’s your vendetta against TCB in particular?

[Caracasus]

Name a dominant ideology that has not had some horror or another carried out in its name. By this logic you should first condemn any capitalist or liberal region. Body count olympics is not a good measure of itself of an ideology.

Libertarianism.

I said a dominant ideology, as in one that you can realistically point to a country or countries that have broadly operated under it for a length of time.

[Freezic Vast]

Communism is also a hateful political thought due to it NEVER WORKING! Demarcry has failed but its also worked to. Communism only fails. Every communist state is always a tolitarien place.

Just. Stop. You're making yourself look worse than need be.

[New Waldensia]

Of course, a member of FCN would say that

I've said that about every one of these misuses/abuses of the "Liberation" function.

[Kavagrad]

Of course, a member of FCN would say that

I've said that about every one of these misuses/abuses of the "Liberation" function.

Of course, but the problems in FCN's Discord that are resulting in the proposal to Liberate it that's currently pushing towards quorum date back to at least May (and I suspect a fair amount of time before then, given the seniority of the members involved), so it wouldn't be difficult, as a member of FCN, to take a look at your own Discord at that time, realise that you're going to get hit sooner or later, and then oppose every offensive liberation in the hopes of ending the trend before you get caught up in it.

Not accusing you of doing such, by the way. Just thought I'd bring up the possibility.

[Estonland]

The original poster's recent posts confirm that their interest in a liberation is purely ideological. A condemnation honestly would fit a lot more than liberation, even then as a Regional Officer in a targeted region I don't think any SC action should be taken based on ideology.

[Ithreland]

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

Screw everything, let's just shut down the site. If both sides of the political spectrum call for safe spaces and shut down while claiming all who defend the rights of "X group that is allegedly bad" are members of "X group that is allegedly bad", then there's no real point is there?

What we have here is a failure to communicate and discourse rationally like human beings (or w/e YL is in RP).

[New Waldensia]

I've said that about every one of these misuses/abuses of the "Liberation" function.

Of course, but the problems in FCN's Discord that are resulting in the proposal to Liberate it that's currently pushing towards quorum date back to at least May (and I suspect a fair amount of time before then, given the seniority of the members involved), so it wouldn't be difficult, as a member of FCN, to take a look at your own Discord at that time, realise that you're going to get hit sooner or later, and then oppose every offensive liberation in the hopes of ending the trend before you get caught up in it.

Not accusing you of doing such, by the way. Just thought I'd bring up the possibility.

Ironically, almost every single member that used that language is no longer in the FCN - they moved to form their own region (the Union of Conservative States), and took that level of discourse out of the region almost overnight.

And no, that's not applicable to me. Many of us always objected to that sort of banter and never participated.

[Kavagrad]

Of course, but the problems in FCN's Discord that are resulting in the proposal to Liberate it that's currently pushing towards quorum date back to at least May (and I suspect a fair amount of time before then, given the seniority of the members involved), so it wouldn't be difficult, as a member of FCN, to take a look at your own Discord at that time, realise that you're going to get hit sooner or later, and then oppose every offensive liberation in the hopes of ending the trend before you get caught up in it.

Not accusing you of doing such, by the way. Just thought I'd bring up the possibility.

Ironically, almost every single member that used that language is no longer in the FCN - they moved to form their own region (the Union of Conservative States), and took that level of discourse out of the region almost overnight.

And no, that's not applicable to me. Many of us always objected to that sort of banter and never participated.

Not applicable to your Founder or Senate Speaker, though

Anyway, I worry that I'm taking us a bit off-track. This is about the TCB proposal, I just wish there were a thread for the FCN proposal. Oh well.