[WITHDRAWN DRAFT] Condemn Jocospor [Attempt 2]

[Marilyn Manson Freaks]

I support this and its principles.

While condemnations may be seen most of the time as badges of honor, this condemnation would basically be telling Jocospor to stop doing what he does. It would also serve as a warning to other nations.

[Glacikaldr]

I support this and its principles.

While condemnations may be seen most of the time as badges of honor, this condemnation would basically be telling Jocospor to stop doing what he does. It would also serve as a warning to other nations.

Yeah, while I doubt it'll persuade an IC fascist to stop doing IC fascist things, it will at least warn other nations to not associate with them unless they wish to branded as such. It's essentially a badge of shame, as opposed to TBH's badge of honour, honouring their gameplay achievements.

Thanks for your support!

You got my support, for obvious reasons.

Thanks for the inspiration!

[Imperium of Josh]

Does a condemnation become any less of a reward just because someone hasn't bothered to learn about the social context we exist in? No. I won't support handing some lazy fashie a reward for functionally acting as an annoying troll.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

It's not what he deserves. It's that we deserve to be showing new players and outside observers that our community doesn't tolerate national socialist ploys to undermine our community and tear us apart.

There is no ploy. Just a bunch of fools making noise and us giving them attention. It needs to stop here.

Finally, a reasonable response. Attention like this is what the CCD wants and it's being given to them. They treated even the liberation as a reward, so it's obvious that we should stop giving them badges, and simply start ignoring them.

[Imperium of Josh]

A liberation isn't a reward, no matter how they spin it. Condemnations are, stop giving them attention, definitely don't award them anything.

[Visionary Union]

You're drawing comparisons between security concerns and threats to a "child's playground" and then saying I'm the one strawmanning you. Look up the definition of strawmanning and tell me when you've grown up from using arguments you found from an IGN thread in 2002. XD XD XD XD

Give it a break, lol

Ad hominem and undignified response in one comment? Impressive, but I'm sure that your next comment will be even more embarrassing. The correct response to the Jocospor attempts is deny him his pleasure, which is attention. Something that if I may say, you're failing horribly in doing.

[Caracasus]

I support this and its principles.

While condemnations may be seen most of the time as badges of honor, this condemnation would basically be telling Jocospor to stop doing what he does. It would also serve as a warning to other nations.

I can see your point, though I disagree with it. Having said that, if this is to be done the wording needs to really reflect how exhasperated the world assembly is with Joscospor refusing to use their indoor voice.

[Glacikaldr]

Does a condemnation become any less of a reward just because someone hasn't bothered to learn about the social context we exist in? No. I won't support handing some lazy fashie a reward for functionally acting as an annoying troll.

It's not about them seeing it as a badge: it's about new players being told to be wary, and for outsiders to appreciate how we choose to disassociate with them.

There is no ploy. Just a bunch of fools making noise and us giving them attention. It needs to stop here.

Finally, a reasonable response. Attention like this is what the CCD wants and it's being given to them. They treated even the liberation as a reward, so it's obvious that we should stop giving them badges, and simply start ignoring them.

Surely it's obvious that they're just trying to be, "Lol xd it doesn't even matter!!!!"

This was their first response from what I can see: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=32542886

[Ransium]

I support this and its principles.

While condemnations may be seen most of the time as badges of honor, this condemnation would basically be telling Jocospor to stop doing what he does. It would also serve as a warning to other nations.

I can see your point, though I disagree with it. Having said that, if this is to be done the wording needs to really reflect how exhasperated the world assembly is with Joscospor refusing to use their indoor voice.

I don’t see why when all other condemnationsare badges of honor this one wouldn’t be. What warning are we providing? If you behave poorly enough you too may get a shiny badge? You think a Condemn wouldn’t be a great recruiting tool?

The best way of dealing with all of this is moving on and condemning/commending nations and regions that deserve it. Unibody has a whole list, each target undoubtedly worthy as opposed to all this spilled ink over nations and regions that deserve nothing but he ignored.

[RiderSyl]

Condemnations can only be effectively used at this point as a sign of respect for NS' most competent and widely-recognized villains.
When folks like Ever-Wondering Souls haven't done enough to achieve one yet, Jocospor certainly hasn't.

Against.

[Kuriko]

I agree with Ransium, Syl, and Consular on this one. Against.

[Consular]

There is no ploy. Just a bunch of fools making noise and us giving them attention. It needs to stop here.

So you think people just joining NationStates don't deserve a warning against this behaviour? That's the point of condemnation. Your argument is against all condemnations, and I believe it to be short sighted. I for one will not stand for this community being dragged through the dirt by people like Jocospor until outsiders start calling us all racists. We need to stop it here. This may be one reason why founders aren't a good thing.

My argument is not against all condemnations, I have no idea how you got that understanding.

Your condemnation isn't going to do anything except bring unneeded attention to the filth.

[Glacikaldr]

Welp, looks like it'll have to be kept on the backburner until they destroy us all I guess

As a citizen of TEP, I'd like to redirect our attention to this: https://youtu.be/5IojMhNoauk

[Consular]

Welp, looks like it'll have to be kept on the backburner until they destroy us all I guess

They aren't going to destroy anything. They're honestly completely irrelevant and incapable of doing real damage.

[Caracasus]

I can see your point, though I disagree with it. Having said that, if this is to be done the wording needs to really reflect how exhasperated the world assembly is with Joscospor refusing to use their indoor voice.

I don’t see why when all other condemnationsare badges of honor this one wouldn’t be. What warning are we providing? If you behave poorly enough you too may get a shiny badge? You think a Condemn wouldn’t be a great recruiting tool?

The best way of dealing with all of this is moving on and condemning/commending nations and regions that deserve it. Unibody has a whole list, each target undoubtedly worthy as opposed to all this spilled ink over nations and regions that deserve nothing but he ignored.

Oh I agree. I can see the argument the poster is making as in I can see that they are making some sense based on their interpretation of things, but I strongly disagree with that interpretaion. Apologies, shoulda beem clearer.

[Glacikaldr]

Welp, looks like it'll have to be kept on the backburner until they destroy us all I guess

They aren't going to destroy anything. They're honestly completely irrelevant and incapable of doing real damage.

Aka this is never going to get proposed because we're all or nothing here at the SC, even though most of us agree that what they did was bad.

[Caracasus]

They aren't going to destroy anything. They're honestly completely irrelevant and incapable of doing real damage.

Aka this is never going to get proposed because we're all or nothing here at the SC, even though most of us agree that what they did was bad.

More that it is the pretty strong opinion of a lot of people that condemnations aren't wanted in this case. I would hazard a guess that if this were submitted there might even be a TG campaign against.

[Kavagrad]

Aka this is never going to get proposed because we're all or nothing here at the SC, even though most of us agree that what they did was bad.

More that it is the pretty strong opinion of a lot of people that condemnations aren't wanted in this case. I would hazard a guess that if this were submitted there might even be a TG campaign against.

Of course there would, it's Jocospor we're talking about here.

[Visionary Union]

15$ well spent? At least it goes towards supporting this site.

[Lord Dominator]

Please no

[Armaros]

Against. This shitshow's been going on long enough. There have been two self-commend attempts, a liberation, a repeal attempt on that liberation, and there is currently a condemn against the author of the liberation (honestly a stupid move... I bet LD would want the badge). Let's stop dragging out this mess. CCD isn't notable enough to get that level of attention. They've had their attention, so let them be happy with it. Hope you don't plan to actually continue this.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Aka this is never going to get proposed because we're all or nothing here at the SC, even though most of us agree that what they did was bad.

More that it is the pretty strong opinion of a lot of people that condemnations aren't wanted in this case. I would hazard a guess that if this were submitted there might even be a TG campaign against.

Against?! You think Jocospor really doesn't want yet another shiny badge?

Against. This shitshow's been going on long enough. There have been two self-commend attempts, a liberation, a repeal attempt on that liberation, and there is currently a condemn against the author of the liberation (honestly a stupid move... I bet LD would want the badge). Let's stop dragging out this mess. CCD isn't notable enough to get that level of attention. They've had their attention, so let them be happy with it. Hope you don't plan to actually continue this.

Oh that's adorable you think it's going to stop.

[Cosmopolitan borovan]

No

[Altinsane]

Thanks for the meme I guess, but why in God's name would we ever do this.

The only reason I have ever even heard of this guy is because he spams my TGs with a bunch of WA nonsense all the time. I mean, okay, his region does the fash thing, but how do you guys feel about condemning all fascists? First of all: not feasible and second of all: a serious waste of our time.

What we would really be condemning Jocospor for is being annoying. Dudes, if you feel he's annoying, block him. Or delete his TGs when you see them. Don't give him a treat for pestering you. Doesn't make a lick of sense.

[Kavagrad]

but how do you guys feel about condemning all fascists?

Sounds like a good long-term goal to me.