[PASSED] Liberate Confederation Of Corrupt Dictators

[Caracasus]

Well, their first draft at a self commendation was based on the fact they're the largest region of fascists. Now, I don't know exactly how true that boast is but I can very easily get behind the liberation and hopeful eventual invasion of the region. Yeah, it makes their position as a region more precarious, they're self proclaimed fascists and there's a few hundred nations (although no idea how many actual unique players calling it their first home) in there.

Yup. Full support.

EDIT: I of course appreciate the view that such regions don't deserve any attention, positive or negative - however in all seriousness disruption and removal of such communities has been found to have a positive effect on the community as a whole. It makes it harder for them to promote their - for want of a better word - ideology and those who leave or are ejected from that small sub group suddenly find themselves in an area where their views aren't accepted or reinforced by others. As far as I see it, attempting to stop fascists from congregating in areas online is simply good housekeeping.

The founder can just undo it. Why even try?

It makes their lives margianally harder and means that if their founder CTE's or gets banned the region cannot defend itself.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

The founder can just undo it. Why even try?

It makes their lives margianally harder and means that if their founder CTE's or gets banned the region cannot defend itself.

109 endos dude.

KR would defend them, NE would defend them, other regions I'm sure would. You won't topple them like this

[Blood Wine]

We oppose to this. A liberation will not work at all for this kind of purpose. If you sought to make them more vulnerable to raiders, that would not work due to the presence of an executive founder.
If you want to condemn them for their ways, draft a condemnation.

Or wait until the founder CTE's, and then raid the region. The founder (Jocospor) is also the WA delegate, so if something were to happen to them, I doubt the raiders would need the help of a liberation.

Hate to *actually you, but the second most endo nation has 65 endorsements, and already has border control powers - if the founder were to CTE then they could lock down the region is there was a sufficient enough leadership

[Caracasus]

It makes their lives margianally harder and means that if their founder CTE's or gets banned the region cannot defend itself.

109 endos dude.

KR would defend them, NE would defend them, other regions I'm sure would. You won't topple them like this

No, but there is a chance it could help. Besides, given hiw their growth has been fuelled by mass TG campaigns the odds are that those numbers might well drop.

[Blood Wine]

It makes their lives margianally harder and means that if their founder CTE's or gets banned the region cannot defend itself.

109 endos dude.

KR would defend them, NE would defend them, other regions I'm sure would. You won't topple them like this

Hence why the liberation is needed, tying up so many WAs over an extended period of time will either be impossible to sustain or will cripple KR forced

[Jocospor]

KR would defend them, NE would defend them, other regions I'm sure would. You won't topple them like this

Yes, well, we do have our affairs in order. But just ask the General Secretariat - we're only 15 year old boys! *laughter from the Delegate's Office travels down the corridor, laughter of a menacing nature*

[Armaros]

I'm not sure about this. I'm not sure if it's worth it in the end. Their del has a lot of endos, and even if they CTE, their officers might be able to organise the region and keep it stable. Then there is also the issue with the publicity; but I think that's a minor one, since both KR and NE didn't get too much attention, and these people already got a lot of attention.

In the end, I think I'm in support. No harm in trying.

EDIT: I read that, because of the number of endos, the liberation would be useless. But if the region goes founderless and if the region is liberated, chances are that those numbers will change drastically. KR and NE might support them, but they can't tie up their forces forever.

[Kuriko]

When are these guys going to learn to stop mass recruiting from WA nations? Ill support this, due to their poaching from other regions. I got a recruitment telegram 3 minutes ago from these idiots, enough is enough.

Edit: Ill also note, for those paying attention to my posts and then reprimanding me for them, that I support this because this region is openly fascist. Fascists and Nazis have no place in a game where they can indoctrinate the youth of today's world into hate or bigotry, and cause another Holocaust in the future. Those who forget the past, or choose to deny and ignore it, are doomed to repeat history.

[Tinhampton]

VERY EMPHATICALLY AGAINST. There are plenty of people here who think that the CCD do not deserve Security Council recognition, and that shouldn't change based on what the badge the SC wants to award looks like!

[Lord Dominator]

VERY EMPHATICALLY AGAINST. There are plenty of people here who think that the CCD do not deserve Security Council recognition, and that shouldn't change based on what the badge the SC wants to award looks like!

Again, I'd note that we still applied such badges to KR and NE, and I think we can both agree that those are regions that we don't want to give attention to. I don't think this is any different (particularly when CCD is openly fascist).

[Glacikaldr]

I hate having to point this out but the endorsement count of Delegates usually change all the time, along with many other conditions including but not limited to the second-highest endo'ed nation, and there's no guarantee on how much higher the endo-count of the current Delegate would be if the founder were to hypothetically CTE.

So, with that considered, full support. This intends to apply pressure on a region, and I believe the region to be a deserving target.

Improve the operatives for some of the clauses, see if you're happy with the grammar when speaking it out loud (some parts come off as a tiny bit clumsy, not incorrect, but that may be because it's late for me), and then submit it imo.

[Kuriko]

I hate having to point this out but the endorsement count of Delegates usually change all the time, along with many other conditions including but not limited to the second-highest endo'ed nation, and there's no guarantee on how much higher the endo-count of the current Delegate would be if the founder were to hypothetically CTE.

So, with that considered, full support. This intends to apply pressure on a region, and I believe the region to be a deserving target.

I hate to point out, once again, that the founder and delegate are the same person

[Glacikaldr]

I hate having to point this out but the endorsement count of Delegates usually change all the time, along with many other conditions including but not limited to the second-highest endo'ed nation, and there's no guarantee on how much higher the endo-count of the current Delegate would be if the founder were to hypothetically CTE.

So, with that considered, full support. This intends to apply pressure on a region, and I believe the region to be a deserving target.

I hate to point out, once again, that the founder and delegate are the same person

Even better!

Delegates usually change as well though (especially if said Delegate is inactive enough to CTE).

[Lord Dominator]

I hate having to point this out but the endorsement count of Delegates usually change all the time, along with many other conditions including but not limited to the second-highest endo'ed nation, and there's no guarantee on how much higher the endo-count of the current Delegate would be if the founder were to hypothetically CTE.

So, with that considered, full support. This intends to apply pressure on a region, and I believe the region to be a deserving target.

Improve the operatives for some of the clauses, see if you're happy with the grammar when speaking it out loud (some parts come off as a tiny bit clumsy, not incorrect, but that may be because it's late for me), and then submit it imo.

I've tried to improve the operative clauses based on your advice there and some offsite advice, I think any further grammar nitpicks are beyond my ability to spot

[Glacikaldr]

I hate having to point this out but the endorsement count of Delegates usually change all the time, along with many other conditions including but not limited to the second-highest endo'ed nation, and there's no guarantee on how much higher the endo-count of the current Delegate would be if the founder were to hypothetically CTE.

So, with that considered, full support. This intends to apply pressure on a region, and I believe the region to be a deserving target.

Improve the operatives for some of the clauses, see if you're happy with the grammar when speaking it out loud (some parts come off as a tiny bit clumsy, not incorrect, but that may be because it's late for me), and then submit it imo.

I've tried to improve the operative clauses based on your advice there and some offsite advice, I think any further grammar nitpicks are beyond my ability to spot

I'm happy with it.

[Cosmopolitan borovan]

Against.

[Lord Dominator]

Against.

Care to say why, or is it one of the reasons already mentioned in this thread?

[Cosmopolitan borovan]

Against.

Care to say why, or is it one of the reasons already mentioned in this thread?

Just from what tinhampton said

[Jocospor]

For the record, we're against this too.

[Lord Dominator]

For the record, we're against this too.

Somehow I'm not surprised, nor do I care

[Caracasus]

Friend suggested this to me, I thought it was a good idea and here we are. Good first proposal for the SC, methinks. I look forward to the debate

Liberate Confederation Of Corrupt Dictators

Category: Liberation
Nominee (region): Confederation of Corrupt Dictators
Proposed By: Lord Dominator

Aware that Confederation of Corrupt Dictators currently has an Executive Founder;

Incensed by the region's open embrace of fascists and self-identification as such;

Observing that Confederation of Corrupt Dictators maintains diplomatic ties with several Nazi regions, including one previously liberated by this Assembly;

Concerned that Confederation of Corrupt Dictators may serve to indoctrinate young nations into fascism and similar abhorrent ideologies;

Exasperated by the region's previous attempt to commend themselves;

Hoping to warn both Confederation of Corrupt Dictators and future regions from promoting fascism, other such ideologies, and blatant use of this Assembly as recruitment and ego-boosting;

This Security Council hereby liberates Confederation of Corrupt Dictators.

Can only comment on the wording and word choice here as others might have a better idea regarding formatting:

Aware that Confederation of Corrupt Dictators currently has an Executive Founder;

Nahhh that strikes me as a detail. I'd want to start with the meaty stuff and save this little nibble for laters...

Incensed by the region's open embrace of fascists and self-identification as such;

Incensed I think is the wrong word. It's not anger as much as it is disgust. Like stepping in something unpleasant. Maybe:

Disgusted by the region's self identified state as a fascist haven

Observing that Confederation of Corrupt Dictators maintains diplomatic ties with several Nazi regions, including one previously liberated by this Assembly;

Perhaps: Noting without much surprise that the Confederation maintains close diplomatic links with several Nazi or Fascist regions, including one previously liberated by this assembly

Concerned that Confederation of Corrupt Dictators may serve to indoctrinate young nations into fascism and similar abhorrent ideologies;

Perhaps other nations instead of young nations? I get where you're coming from but I am unsure how close to the "don't acknowledge real life" that the use of the word young would come. I'd also suggest simplifying to:

Concerned that the Confederation may serve to indoctrinate (young?) nations into the abhorrent ideology of Fascism

Exasperated by the region's previous attempt to commend themselves;

Increasingly bemused by numerous failed attempts at self commendation from the confederation and astounded by how increasingly gauche these attempts are becoming

Other than that? Looking good LD, looking good.

I mean, if I understand how these new liberation work, it's not so much we're flushing something unpleasant, it's that we're getting a coat hanger and breaking it up a bit so that when the opportune time comes to flush it, it'll go down with a minimum of fuss. With that in mind, I guess it might be an idea to see if there's any other areas where this lot have annoyed everyone enough to warrant making their ongoing existence precarious.

[Republic of Mesoamerica]

D.E.R. told me to say in his name : For. Btw I'm not in WA but still For.

[Lord Dominator]

D.E.R. told me to say in his name : For. Btw I'm not in WA but still For.

Glad to hear it.

Caracasus, I'll get to your suggestions a little later when I have time

[Democratic Empire of Romania]

D.E.R. told me to say in his name : For. Btw I'm not in WA but still For.

Yep. Thank you Lord Dominator, very cool !

You shall mention trying to coup regions. They did that to The Labyrinth and the noew-defunct Yorktown Aristocracy.

[Lord Dominator]

D.E.R. told me to say in his name : For. Btw I'm not in WA but still For.

Yep. Thank you Lord Dominator, very cool !

You shall mention trying to coup regions. They did that to The Labyrinth and the noew-defunct Yorktown Aristocracy.

Would you mind providing some links/summaries so I can phrase stuff properly?