NationStates

The Security Council,

Horrified at the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators for aiding the spread of the hateful ideology fascism throughout the world;

Abhorred by the region's continued abuse of the World Assembly, including but not limited to the submission of proposals to both the General Assembly and Security Council with no intention of said proposals passing, only intending to attract international attention to the region;

Frustrated by the Confederation's insistence to recruit nations from established regions, a manoeuvre commonly referred to as "poaching" throughout the international community;

Disgusted by the region's unnecessary declarations of war against other regions and the continued assault of these regions, often prolonging conflict for many months until the other region grows tired and admits defeat;

Noting the region's past interference in other regional governments, including but not limited to the rigging of elections and forced appointment of an un-elected President of The New Mappers Union;

Recalling the region's necessary humiliation of nations, including but not limited to Democratic Empire of Romania, whom the Confederation's founder, Jocospor, tried unsuccessfully to condemn;

Shocked by their regional officers' complete disregard for constructive criticism on World Assembly proposals from other delegates;

Believing that the Security Council has a responsibility to condemn the Confederation's conduct, if only to discourage other regions from emulating their appalling behaviour;

Hereby condemns the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators.

lmao! Someone actually made one! But to be serious, we don't want to give CCD anymore attention that it already has received. This would just be a badge of honor to them. So no.

Sodoran Alesia wrote:lmao! Someone actually made one! But to be serious, we don't want to give CCD anymore attention that it already has received. This would just be a badge of honor to them. So no.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Your proposal is complete nonsense. Not only are almost all of your points factually incorrect, the proposal itself is poorly written garbage.

Esilium wrote:Horrified at the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators for aiding the spread of the hateful ideology fascism throughout the world;

The Confederation has every right to spread whatever ideology we support throughout NationStates.

Esilium wrote:Abhorred by the region's continued abuse of the World Assembly, including but not limited to the submission of proposals to both the General Assembly and Security Council with no intention of said proposals passing, only intending to attract international attention to the region;

Absolutely not true, every proposal submitted from nations within our region has been intended to pass.

Esilium wrote:Disgusted by the region's unnecessary declarations of war against other regions and the continued assault of these regions, often prolonging conflict for many months until the other region grows tired and admits defeat;

The Confederation has never declared war on a region for no reason. Every declaration of war against another region has been provoked from their side.

Esilium wrote:Noting the region's past interference in other regional governments, including but not limited to the rigging of elections and forced appointment of an un-elected President of The New Mappers Union;

This was agreed upon by both sides in the peace treaty. It's not like we forced their Founder to sign it.

Esilium wrote:Recalling the region's necessary humiliation of nations, including but not limited to Democratic Empire of Romania, whom the Confederation's founder, Jocospor, tried unsuccessfully to condemn;

The condemn proposal was well deserved. I was genuinely surprised it didn't pass.

Esilium wrote:Shocked by their regional officers' complete disregard for constructive criticism on World Assembly proposals from other delegates;

From the response we received in the thread regarding our last proposal, I'm not sure why it's shocking why we aren't interested in the WA community's "constructive criticism".

Again, the proposal is absolute nonsense. There's zero chance it'll ever reach quorum, yet alone pass when voted on by the Security Council.

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Your proposal is complete nonsense. Not only are almost all of your points factually incorrect, the proposal itself is poorly written garbage.

Esilium wrote:Horrified at the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators for aiding the spread of the hateful ideology fascism throughout the world;

The Confederation has every right to spread whatever ideology we support throughout NationStates.

Esilium wrote:Abhorred by the region's continued abuse of the World Assembly, including but not limited to the submission of proposals to both the General Assembly and Security Council with no intention of said proposals passing, only intending to attract international attention to the region;

Absolutely not true, every proposal submitted from nations within our region has been intended to pass.

Esilium wrote:Disgusted by the region's unnecessary declarations of war against other regions and the continued assault of these regions, often prolonging conflict for many months until the other region grows tired and admits defeat;

The Confederation has never declared war on a region for no reason. Every declaration of war against another region has been provoked from their side.

Esilium wrote:Noting the region's past interference in other regional governments, including but not limited to the rigging of elections and forced appointment of an un-elected President of The New Mappers Union;

This was agreed upon by both sides in the peace treaty. It's not like we forced their Founder to sign it.

Esilium wrote:Recalling the region's necessary humiliation of nations, including but not limited to Democratic Empire of Romania, whom the Confederation's founder, Jocospor, tried unsuccessfully to condemn;

The condemn proposal was well deserved. I was genuinely surprised it didn't pass.

Esilium wrote:Shocked by their regional officers' complete disregard for constructive criticism on World Assembly proposals from other delegates;

From the response we received in the thread regarding our last proposal, I'm not sure why it's shocking why we aren't interested in the WA community's "constructive criticism".

Again, the proposal is absolute nonsense. There's zero chance it'll ever reach quorum, yet alone pass when voted on by the Security Council.

Ill just say: The Golden Rule "Treat others the way you want to be treated". From what I've seen of your posts, and other posts of your regions members, its no wonder you're getting treated the way you are. You don't treat others very nicely, they won't treat you very nicely.

I am also against this. Condemnations are badges of honor for people doing "bad" like raiding or RPing as someone evil. If we condemn them it does the same as commended, just for a different reason.

Sodoran Alesia wrote:lmao! Someone actually made one! But to be serious, we don't want to give CCD anymore attention that it already has received. This would just be a badge of honor to them. So no.

Yeah, don't bother giving them any more attention.

Esilium wrote:The Security Council,

Horrified at the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators for aiding the spread of the hateful ideology fascism throughout the world;

Abhorred by the region's continued abuse of the World Assembly, including but not limited to the submission of proposals to both the General Assembly and Security Council with no intention of said proposals passing, only intending to attract international attention to the region;

Frustrated by the Confederation's insistence to recruit nations from established regions, a manoeuvre commonly referred to as "poaching" throughout the international community;

Disgusted by the region's unnecessary declarations of war against other regions and the continued assault of these regions, often prolonging conflict for many months until the other region grows tired and admits defeat;

Noting the region's past interference in other regional governments, including but not limited to the rigging of elections and forced appointment of an un-elected President of The New Mappers Union;

Recalling the region's necessary humiliation of nations, including but not limited to Democratic Empire of Romania, whom the Confederation's founder, Jocospor, tried unsuccessfully to condemn;

Shocked by their regional officers' complete disregard for constructive criticism on World Assembly proposals from other delegates;

Believing that the Security Council has a responsibility to condemn the Confederation's conduct, if only to discourage other regions from emulating their appalling behaviour;

Hereby condemns the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators.

This condemnation effort is disgusting. We have done nothing worthy of condemnation, and we will not tolerate pathetic, inconsequential nations claiming we have. You're lucky we don't blow your region off the face of the planet.

Even if this proposal was submitted, it wouldn't reach the quorum. Wonder why, huh?

Jocospor wrote:This condemnation effort is disgusting. We have done nothing worthy of condemnation commendation.

OOC: Ftfy...

Jocospor wrote:

Esilium wrote:The Security Council,

Horrified at the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators for aiding the spread of the hateful ideology fascism throughout the world;

Abhorred by the region's continued abuse of the World Assembly, including but not limited to the submission of proposals to both the General Assembly and Security Council with no intention of said proposals passing, only intending to attract international attention to the region;

Frustrated by the Confederation's insistence to recruit nations from established regions, a manoeuvre commonly referred to as "poaching" throughout the international community;

Disgusted by the region's unnecessary declarations of war against other regions and the continued assault of these regions, often prolonging conflict for many months until the other region grows tired and admits defeat;

Noting the region's past interference in other regional governments, including but not limited to the rigging of elections and forced appointment of an un-elected President of The New Mappers Union;

Recalling the region's necessary humiliation of nations, including but not limited to Democratic Empire of Romania, whom the Confederation's founder, Jocospor, tried unsuccessfully to condemn;

Shocked by their regional officers' complete disregard for constructive criticism on World Assembly proposals from other delegates;

Believing that the Security Council has a responsibility to condemn the Confederation's conduct, if only to discourage other regions from emulating their appalling behaviour;

Hereby condemns the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators.

This condemnation effort is disgusting. We have done nothing worthy of condemnation, and we will not tolerate pathetic, inconsequential nations claiming we have. You're lucky we don't blow your region off the face of the planet.

Even if this proposal was submitted, it wouldn't reach the quorum. Wonder why, huh?

Kind of hard to blow a region with no executive WA delegate off NS mate. Don't make threats you can't keep.

The New California Republic wrote:

Jocospor wrote:This condemnation effort is disgusting. We have done nothing worthy of condemnation commendation.

OOC: Ftfy...

Ooo, yes, well played. The Confederation is absolutely worthy of a commendation. It's alarming you can't see this.

Jocospor wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Ftfy...

Ooo, yes, well played. The Confederation is absolutely worthy of a commendation. It's alarming you can't see this.

OOC: It isn't worthy of either really, but there you go.

Opposed they're a bit irritating but hardly worth acknowledging.

Opposed

Can I ask why everyone seems to be opposed to the proposal? I understand the "don't give them any more attention" way to look at it, but they aren't a raiding group, it isn't a badge of honour.

If you look at the responses the nations from their region are giving it's also very clear they don't see it that way either, and their hostility only exemplifies why a condemnation proposal against their region should be considered (for example, this post... and what a great response it is...)

Jocospor wrote:This condemnation effort is disgusting. We have done nothing worthy of condemnation, and we will not tolerate pathetic, inconsequential nations claiming we have. You're lucky we don't blow your region off the face of the planet.

Even if this proposal was submitted, it wouldn't reach the quorum. Wonder why, huh?

My hope would be that a condemnation would discourage new potential nations from joining their region, and slow down its growth - something they're clearly heavily invested in.

Esilium wrote:Can I ask why everyone seems to be opposed to the proposal? I understand the "don't give them any more attention" way to look at it, but they aren't a raiding group, it isn't a badge of honour.

OOC: Publicity. It's what they want. Pushing a condemnation through is exactly what they would want.

Esilium wrote:Can I ask why everyone seems to be opposed to the proposal? I understand the "don't give them any more attention" way to look at it, but they aren't a raiding group, it isn't a badge of honour.

If you look at the responses the nations from their region are giving it's also very clear they don't see it that way either, and their hostility only exemplifies why a condemnation proposal against their region should be considered (for example, this post... and what a great response it is...)

Jocospor wrote:This condemnation effort is disgusting. We have done nothing worthy of condemnation, and we will not tolerate pathetic, inconsequential nations claiming we have. You're lucky we don't blow your region off the face of the planet.

Even if this proposal was submitted, it wouldn't reach the quorum. Wonder why, huh?

My hope would be that a condemnation would discourage new potential nations from joining their region, and slow down its growth - something they're clearly heavily invested in.

Basically because it would be yet more publicity for them, a Condemn would still be a badge of honor, and they really haven't done anything to deserve it.

Lord Dominator wrote:

Esilium wrote:Can I ask why everyone seems to be opposed to the proposal? I understand the "don't give them any more attention" way to look at it, but they aren't a raiding group, it isn't a badge of honour.

If you look at the responses the nations from their region are giving it's also very clear they don't see it that way either, and their hostility only exemplifies why a condemnation proposal against their region should be considered (for example, this post... and what a great response it is...)

My hope would be that a condemnation would discourage new potential nations from joining their region, and slow down its growth - something they're clearly heavily invested in.

Basically because it would be yet more publicity for them, a Condemn would still be a badge of honor, and they really haven't done anything to deserve it.

Good, because we didn't want a bloody condemnation anyway. What a great way to reward us for all the work we've done in fostering unwanted nations. Cheers, Esilium.

It is the belief of the Shogunate delegation that the region in question has done nothing of particular worth to merit any recognition from the World Assembly, whether a commendation or a condemnation. Spending resources on a campaign of self-aggrandizement is the region's only tangible achievement. Insofar as their impact on the global community, their contributions both positive and negative are very close to non-existent. Should this proposal reach the voting floor, the Shogunate's current position is firmly against.

It is the opinion of Ravendi that the CCD as a region has not acted in a serious enough manner to warrant a condemnation.

Esilium wrote:Horrified at the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators for aiding the spread of the hateful ideology fascism throughout the world;

A blanket statement against a political ideology only serves to perpetuate the narrative of division that the CCD delegates have striven to create in their discussions within the security council. That is to say, this condemnation serves to make the CCD seem like an embattled underdog fighting for the rights of fascist nations against an unwelcoming world.

It is our belief that a condemnation against individual contrarian elite nations of the CCD would make for more palatable resolutions.

Ravendi wrote:It is our belief that a condemnation against individual contrarian elite nations of the CCD would make for more palatable resolutions.

Try submitting one and see how far it gets... I'll give you a clue - nowhere. Pathetic idea.

There's a certain group that should just be forgotten in realms of time instead of being brought up again and again. With that said, we will vote for the condemnation if the proposal is rational enough.

- Lead Ambassador Germaine Moira “Mercy” Sylvia Angelina Zoe Sophia Jen Alanna Hailie Constance

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:

Ravendi wrote:It is our belief that a condemnation against individual contrarian elite nations of the CCD would make for more palatable resolutions.

Try submitting one and see how far it gets... I'll give you a clue - nowhere. Pathetic idea.

(Maybe you should be nicer to people around you, just saying.)

a disgusting idea to give them any attention, in fact i would prefer it if they just vanished altogether. however, that being said, and how they are acting within this thread, i'll still vote yes if it passes. probably a lot of people will vote yes.

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:

Ravendi wrote:It is our belief that a condemnation against individual contrarian elite nations of the CCD would make for more palatable resolutions.

Try submitting one and see how far it gets... I'll give you a clue - nowhere. Pathetic idea.

You mean like the idea to commend your region?

Kuriko wrote:

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Try submitting one and see how far it gets... I'll give you a clue - nowhere. Pathetic idea.

You mean like the idea to commend your region?

*shocked silence, then: thunderous applause. you've done well, it seems.*