[DRAFT] Repeal "Commend the MT Army"

[Prydania]

Didn't notice you supported this. Care to explain why you support this? (No offense, just curious).

I'm simply distrustful of the "anti-fascist" movement in general.

As someone who, IRL, had family who suffered at the hands of fascists? I find the anti-fascist movement necessary.

And to be very honest with you? I find the "I'm not a fascist/racist but..." arguments to be increasingly unconvincing the more they are trotted out.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

And to be very honest with you? I find the "I'm not a fascist/racist but..." arguments to be increasingly unconvincing the more they are trotted out.

If your going to make the claim that I'm a fascist or a racist then prove it through my previous posts. The burden of proof is on you, not me.

[Kuriko]

North Saitama, if you're going to submit this submit it please. This back-and-forth arguing is getting tiresome.

[Prydania]

And to be very honest with you? I find the "I'm not a fascist/racist but..." arguments to be increasingly unconvincing the more they are trotted out.

If your going to make the claim that I'm a fascist or a racist then prove it through my previous posts. The burden of proof is on you, not me.

I didn’t call you anything.

I merely stated that...
1) There are those of us who are anti-fascist for reasons beyond the “anti-capitalist SJW” strawman you created and...

2) That if certain people have a habit of constantly going “I’m not fascist/racist but...” then one recognizes a pattern.

If you truly claim to despise Nazism and fascism then perhaps standing up for those ideologies while playing “whataboutism” isn’t the best way to convey that sentiment.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

If your going to make the claim that I'm a fascist or a racist then prove it through my previous posts. The burden of proof is on you, not me.

I didn’t call you anything.

I merely stated that...
1) There are those of us who are anti-fascist for reasons beyond the “anti-capitalist SJW” strawman you created and...

2) That if certain people have a habit of constantly going “I’m not fascist/racist but...” then one recognizes a pattern.

If you truly claim to despise Nazism and fascism then perhaps standing up for those ideologies while playing “whataboutism” isn’t the best way to convey that sentiment.

I shouldn't have to fall in line just to prove I'm not a racist. I don't answer to you, and I never will. Secondly, you were trying to infer that I was a fascist with without directly saying it. Let's not try to split hairs. Thirdly, I voted against the commendation of a fascist region because of it's oppressive and authoritarian nature; check my national happenings for proof. How's that for "standing up for those ideologies"?

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Secondly, you were trying to infer that I was a fascist with without directly saying it.

Actually, he implied it, you inferred it.

[Prydania]

I didn’t call you anything.

I merely stated that...
1) There are those of us who are anti-fascist for reasons beyond the “anti-capitalist SJW” strawman you created and...

2) That if certain people have a habit of constantly going “I’m not fascist/racist but...” then one recognizes a pattern.

If you truly claim to despise Nazism and fascism then perhaps standing up for those ideologies while playing “whataboutism” isn’t the best way to convey that sentiment.

Forgive me if I'm not going to fall in line just to prove I'm not a racist. I don't answer to you, and I never will. Secondly, you were trying to infer that I was a fascist with without directly saying it. Let's not try to split hairs. Thirdly, I voted against the commendation of a fascist region because of it's oppressive and authoritarian nature; check my national happenings for proof. How's that for "standing up for those ideologies"? Finally criticism of social justice does not mean I'm a fascist.

I’ve never been shy about telling a fascist off. If I thought you were a fascist I’d say “I think you, LiberNovusAmericae, are a fascist.”
I didn’t say that though, because I don’t believe you’re a fascist.

Secondly, calm down. I am not demanding that you “fall in line” with me or anyone else. So get over your need to be angry at someone.

Thirdly, you were the one who brought up “social justice.” I merely brought up that there are plenty of people who embrace anti-fascist sentiment for reasons beyond the limited scope you suggested.
Social Justice Warriors? I don’t give a crap about them. Anti-capitalism? Fuck that, I’m a dues paying member of the Conservative Party of Canada.
No, I oppose fascism because it considers me an inferior subhuman worthy of only death, and so anti-fascism is very much a much-needed ideology of survival for me. To counter those who would do me harm.

[United Massachusetts]

Forgive me if I'm not going to fall in line just to prove I'm not a racist. I don't answer to you, and I never will. Secondly, you were trying to infer that I was a fascist with without directly saying it. Let's not try to split hairs. Thirdly, I voted against the commendation of a fascist region because of it's oppressive and authoritarian nature; check my national happenings for proof. How's that for "standing up for those ideologies"? Finally criticism of social justice does not mean I'm a fascist.

I’ve never been shy about telling a fascist off. If I thought you were a fascist I’d say “I think you, LiberNovusAmericae, are a fascist.”
I didn’t say that though, because I don’t believe you’re a fascist.

Secondly, calm down. I am not demanding that you “fall in line” with me or anyone else. So get over your need to be angry at someone.

Thirdly, you were the one who brought up “social justice.” I merely brought up that there are plenty of people who embrace anti-fascist sentiment for reasons beyond the limited scope you suggested.
Social Justice Warriors? I don’t give a crap about them. Anti-capitalism? Fuck that, I’m a dues paying member of the Conservative Party of Canada.
No, I oppose fascism because it considers me an inferior subhuman worthy of only death, and so anti-fascism is very much a much-needed ideology of survival for me. To counter those who would do me harm.

Agreed with all of this. ^

My complaints aren't with the MT Army and the majority of Antifa members themselves (heck, my best friend on NS runs an Antifa member region), they are with those with whom the MT Army chooses to align. I don't think we need to ally with literal Stalinists and literal supporters of the North Korean regime in order to be fascism. We certainly can't justify their abhorrent ideology by comparing it to another. We can certainly knock fascism into the ground without needing the support of people who blame the kulaks for Stalin's crimes or support the Kim regime.

I'm opposed to this draft. Since it needlessly tolerates and supports tankies, the MT Army shouldn't be commended, but this proposal appears to suggest that fighting fascism is bad. It absolutely isn't. We need to make sure that fascists are denied the platform for spreading hatred here. Same for Hoxhaists and company.