[DEFEATED] Condemn The League Of Conservative Nations

[Crimsonfield]

Noting the League of Conservative nations calls itself a conservative democracy, dedicated at preserving conservatism in NS.

Understanding the countless regions that have fallen due to League of Conservative nations intrusion causing instability for the sake of there own recruiting program.

Believing that the use of trolling and espionage against a sovereign region is distasteful.

Accepting that fact that the League of Conservative has prevented stability, security, and peace in the United Conservative Nations. Attempting to bring about the regions demise as a new conservative power.

Condemning the League of Conservative Nations for the above statements.

Proposal idea A

[Crimsonfield]

The World Assembly,

Observing [region=The League Of Conservative Nations] hunger for power and destruction,

Denouncing the LCN's recent threats to invade new regions, for example the U.C.N,

Believing this string of threats of invasions and infiltration must be put to an end,

Appalled by their use of trolling to undermine stability of various Governments,

Stating that a condemnation would send a message to other anti-democratic warmongering regions,

Further Clarifying the LCN claims to be a Democratic Region, yet it has an executive branch made of oppressive "Consuls" appointed by the Leader,

Hereby Condemns [region=The League Of Conservative Nations

Proposal Idea B

[Crimsonfield]

Please feel free to add anything or discuss this proposal and tell me which draft is better, a or b?

[Quebecshire]

Hello, everyone reading this thread, as an LCN official I feel I should respectfully common on this document, point by point.

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PROPOSAL A

Noting the League of Conservative nations calls itself a conservative democracy, dedicated at preserving conservatism in NS. - The LCN, officially, "The Fourth Republic of the League of Conservative Nations" is a Parliamentary Republican Democracy, with a system that was designed as unique to itself. We are neither conservative nor liberal in our system's crafting, as we are an independent and free society.

Understanding the countless regions that have fallen due to League of Conservative nations intrusion causing instability for the sake of there own recruiting program. - The League of Conservative Nations recruitment initiatives in recent time has been sent in stamp used TGs to either newly founded nations or recently founded nations. We have not engaged in recruitments to destabilize regions, and we have actually received several reports from our citizens that your region has done so towards our citizens.

Accepting that fact that the League of Conservative has prevented stability, security, and peace in the United Conservative Nations. Attempting to bring about the regions demise as a new conservative power. - The LCN has no wish to engage in conflict with your region, however, your region has repeatedly made us the target of propaganda (like this document itself) and recruitment attempts towards our members.

PROPOSAL B

Observing [region=The League Of Conservative Nations] hunger for power and destruction, - I mean, without fact, example, this is purely propaganda.

Denouncing the LCN's recent threats to invade new regions, for example the U.C.N, - No officially sanctioned threat by an LCN official to "invade" the UCN has been made.

Believing this string of threats of invasions and infiltration must be put to an end, - I further note the lack of examples and proof.

Stating that a condemnation would send a message to other anti-democratic warmongering regions, - The LCN has a democratic system in which the people elect representatives to form a government led by a Prime Minister, the LCN has made no declarations of war in the formal sense in the times following the CLA crisis of late 2016 and early 2017.

Further Clarifying the LCN claims to be a Democratic Region, yet it has an executive branch made of oppressive "Consuls" appointed by the Leader, - The LCN does not have a "Leader" to appoint Consuls. The only order issued by the Consulate was one which was reviewed by the Assembly and a poll was held on the topic (the result of the aforementioned public poll was followed by the Consulate). If you have any questions to Consulate cycles or functionality feel free to contact me or another LCN official.

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Thank you for your time if you have read this, and any questions or comments I am happy to answer.

[Crimsonfield]

Hello, everyone reading this thread, as an LCN official I feel I should respectfully common on this document, point by point.

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PROPOSAL A

Noting the League of Conservative nations calls itself a conservative democracy, dedicated at preserving conservatism in NS. - The LCN, officially, "The Fourth Republic of the League of Conservative Nations" is a Parliamentary Republican Democracy, with a system that was designed as unique to itself. We are neither conservative nor liberal in our system's crafting, as we are an independent and free society.

Understanding the countless regions that have fallen due to League of Conservative nations intrusion causing instability for the sake of there own recruiting program. - The League of Conservative Nations recruitment initiatives in recent time has been sent in stamp used TGs to either newly founded nations or recently founded nations. We have not engaged in recruitments to destabilize regions, and we have actually received several reports from our citizens that your region has done so towards our citizens.

Accepting that fact that the League of Conservative has prevented stability, security, and peace in the United Conservative Nations. Attempting to bring about the regions demise as a new conservative power. - The LCN has no wish to engage in conflict with your region, however, your region has repeatedly made us the target of propaganda (like this document itself) and recruitment attempts towards our members.

PROPOSAL B

Observing [region=The League Of Conservative Nations] hunger for power and destruction, - I mean, without fact, example, this is purely propaganda.

Denouncing the LCN's recent threats to invade new regions, for example the U.C.N, - No officially sanctioned threat by an LCN official to "invade" the UCN has been made.

Believing this string of threats of invasions and infiltration must be put to an end, - I further note the lack of examples and proof.

Stating that a condemnation would send a message to other anti-democratic warmongering regions, - The LCN has a democratic system in which the people elect representatives to form a government led by a Prime Minister, the LCN has made no declarations of war in the formal sense in the times following the CLA crisis of late 2016 and early 2017.

Further Clarifying the LCN claims to be a Democratic Region, yet it has an executive branch made of oppressive "Consuls" appointed by the Leader, - The LCN does not have a "Leader" to appoint Consuls. The only order issued by the Consulate was one which was reviewed by the Assembly and a poll was held on the topic (the result of the aforementioned public poll was followed by the Consulate). If you have any questions to Consulate cycles or functionality feel free to contact me or another LCN official.

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Thank you for your time if you have read this, and any questions or comments I am happy to answer.

Proposal A
"The LCN, officially, "The Fourth Republic of the League of Conservative Nations" is a Parliamentary Republican Democracy, with a system that was designed as unique to itself. We are neither conservative nor liberal in our system's crafting, as we are an independent and free society."
Your Name specifically states you are conservative.
"The League of Conservative Nations recruitment initiatives in recent time has been sent in stamp used TGs to either newly founded nations or recently founded nations. We have not engaged in recruitments to destabilize regions, and we have actually received several reports from our citizens that your region has done so towards our citizens."
"Your region has recruited from non-recruiter friendly regions, and your attempts to destabilize the UCN are very clear through your infiltrations and espionage.
The LCN has no wish to engage in conflict with your region, however, your region has repeatedly made us the target of propaganda (like this document itself) and recruitment attempts towards our members."
This document is not propaganda. Your put down of other political opinions and tyrannical methods of recruitment have depleted countless regions and made them vulnerable to attack. Your attempt to troll our rmb previosly have also destablilized ours along with other Governments.

[Quebecshire]

Hello, everyone reading this thread, as an LCN official I feel I should respectfully common on this document, point by point.

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PROPOSAL A

Noting the League of Conservative nations calls itself a conservative democracy, dedicated at preserving conservatism in NS. - The LCN, officially, "The Fourth Republic of the League of Conservative Nations" is a Parliamentary Republican Democracy, with a system that was designed as unique to itself. We are neither conservative nor liberal in our system's crafting, as we are an independent and free society.

Understanding the countless regions that have fallen due to League of Conservative nations intrusion causing instability for the sake of there own recruiting program. - The League of Conservative Nations recruitment initiatives in recent time has been sent in stamp used TGs to either newly founded nations or recently founded nations. We have not engaged in recruitments to destabilize regions, and we have actually received several reports from our citizens that your region has done so towards our citizens.

Accepting that fact that the League of Conservative has prevented stability, security, and peace in the United Conservative Nations. Attempting to bring about the regions demise as a new conservative power. - The LCN has no wish to engage in conflict with your region, however, your region has repeatedly made us the target of propaganda (like this document itself) and recruitment attempts towards our members.

PROPOSAL B

Observing [region=The League Of Conservative Nations] hunger for power and destruction, - I mean, without fact, example, this is purely propaganda.

Denouncing the LCN's recent threats to invade new regions, for example the U.C.N, - No officially sanctioned threat by an LCN official to "invade" the UCN has been made.

Believing this string of threats of invasions and infiltration must be put to an end, - I further note the lack of examples and proof.

Stating that a condemnation would send a message to other anti-democratic warmongering regions, - The LCN has a democratic system in which the people elect representatives to form a government led by a Prime Minister, the LCN has made no declarations of war in the formal sense in the times following the CLA crisis of late 2016 and early 2017.

Further Clarifying the LCN claims to be a Democratic Region, yet it has an executive branch made of oppressive "Consuls" appointed by the Leader, - The LCN does not have a "Leader" to appoint Consuls. The only order issued by the Consulate was one which was reviewed by the Assembly and a poll was held on the topic (the result of the aforementioned public poll was followed by the Consulate). If you have any questions to Consulate cycles or functionality feel free to contact me or another LCN official.

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Thank you for your time if you have read this, and any questions or comments I am happy to answer.

Proposal A
"The LCN, officially, "The Fourth Republic of the League of Conservative Nations" is a Parliamentary Republican Democracy, with a system that was designed as unique to itself. We are neither conservative nor liberal in our system's crafting, as we are an independent and free society."
Your Name specifically states you are conservative.
"The League of Conservative Nations recruitment initiatives in recent time has been sent in stamp used TGs to either newly founded nations or recently founded nations. We have not engaged in recruitments to destabilize regions, and we have actually received several reports from our citizens that your region has done so towards our citizens."
"Your region has recruited from non-recruiter friendly regions, and your attempts to destabilize the UCN are very clear through your infiltrations and espionage.
The LCN has no wish to engage in conflict with your region, however, your region has repeatedly made us the target of propaganda (like this document itself) and recruitment attempts towards our members."
This document is not propaganda. Your put down of other political opinions and tyrannical methods of recruitment have depleted countless regions and made them vulnerable to attack. Your attempt to troll our rmb previosly have also destablilized ours along with other Governments.

The League of Conservative Nations is an independent region, a name cannot be changed, our region is not conservative, liberal, or otherwise. It is a region with a democratic system that has several represented parties and belief systems in its population. You sir, still cite ZERO examples from what you claim is a countless list, so I await some real commentary from yourself.

[Terra Voltera]

I also await proof to your allegations. From the looks of things it seems you're just trying to levy a grudge against a region you don't like, which is not what the SC is for.

[Kaboomlandia]

This doesn't look like a matter for the SC.

[Crimsonfield]

I also await proof to your allegations. From the looks of things it seems you're just trying to levy a grudge against a region you don't like, which is not what the SC is for.

The proposal is put on hold for now until we can provide evidence. No more posts here guys!

[Eminople]

I also await proof to your allegations. From the looks of things it seems you're just trying to levy a grudge against a region you don't like, which is not what the SC is for.

The proposal is put on hold for now until we can provide evidence. No more posts here guys!

Still waiting for you to provide evidence

[The Noble Thatcherites]

The proposal is put on hold for now until we can provide evidence. No more posts here guys!

Still waiting for you to provide evidence

Breaking News: There is no evidence.

[Imperium Anglorum]

I guess on hold is something of a subjective term, since this was 'On hold' for all of 14 hours before it was submitted at 15.15:20, 6 June. https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1528312520

I'm not voting for it. Use of bolding and italics offends my aesthetic sensibilities.

[United Republic Empire]

I am not voting for this either - No evidence has been provided for what the author claims as countless. Surely there would be mounds of evidence if this was the case, but this seems more like a petty grudge in my opinion.

[Agereus]

I can confirm that the line "Further Clarifying recently one of the consuls, Quebecshire, modified a regional party due to it being against the Consulate" is blatantly untrue. It is talking about my party dispatch in which it openly stated an opposition to the consulate. However this dispatch was a WIP and the statements on it were more my own opinions rather than my party's platform. Also the dispatch was quite unpleasant looking as well. So I redesigned the dispatch and it did not contain an proper opinion on the Consulate, but did still have a policy of igniting a debate on the status of the Consulate. Quebecshire never forced me to make any changes to my dispatch and all were made on my own account.

[Isvataan]

Ugh another sjw neo condemnation and, of course, no evidence

Against

[Terra Voltera]

Ugh another sjw neo liberation and, of course, no evidence (like what happened to Kasier except that one passed unfortunately)

Against

Erm, this isn't a liberation. Its a condemnation, which is totally different. Might as well post that the author has no support from me, due to blatant lies appearing.

[Alkasia]

Formatting is less than ideal, and the proposal lacks any sort of evidence to the claims it makes. Not even examples, of the "trolling" and "invasions" which really are key in these resolutions.

Furthermore I do feel that that the condemnation lacks a defined point. It's rather all over the place. First it mentions the apparent threats, trolling, and invasions that are happening and then goes off into a tangent about a government official modifying a party. If you're going to bring up multiple separate points, they need to be better defined and organized for cohesiveness.

[Malphe]

Furthermore I do feel that that the condemnation lacks a defined point. It's rather all over the place. First it mentions the apparent threats, trolling, and invasions that are happening and then goes off into a tangent about a government official modifying a party. If you're going to bring up multiple separate points, they need to be better defined and organized for cohesiveness.

That's probably because the author is grasping at straws. Looks like the objective of this proposal is to slap a condemn on the LCN because the author doesn't like it, despite there not really being any need for a condemn.

[Benevolent Thomas]

The fact that this trash has so many approvals is astonishing.

Fort Triumph will be voting AGAINST this proposal.

[Spode Humbled Minions]

We have not threatened to invade you. You have yet to provide any evidence whatsoever. Your own discord shows that this is a bad faith attempt to fool socialists into joining a hate train on the LCN. https://discordapp.com/invite/Y9ksyZu

And to top it off, you knew you had such a bad case as to go out of your way to boost your delegate support by having a your founder have their WA account in an entirely different region to get a cheap extra support piece. Yes we know that your account Nagarno, is also Great Berlinn

[Calamari]

It is fair to point out that this condemnation has been posted days after the founder of the UCN (the region Crimsonfield resides in) New Nagarno (puppet of Nagarno) was found guilty of recruiting outside the region for his political party (which violates the rules of the LCN.)

This condemnation is a blatant vendetta, where the UCN is trying to use the WA to attack a region it has a grudge against. This is against the point of the WA and SC and should be solved without the leverage of the WA.

It is akin to tattling in pre-school. However, the LCN is guilty of none of these accusations, and the lack of proof in any of these accusations aludes to that.

I stand against this, not only as a member of the LCN, but also as a person who cares for the integrity of the WA.

[Hessere]

Oh boy, let's see what this is.

You know what, There needs to be a way to spread awareness to the people supporting random, oft-poorly written proposals because someone told them so, to stop supporting random, oft-poorly written proposals because someone told them so

EDIT: You don't just simply draft and submit a proposal to condemn someone because wild accusations.
Resolve this elsewhere, preferably not in the WA.

[Comlogical]

How did this complete trash get into quorum without evidences, or whatever provable by the submitee? This is something that I can remember of from the attempted "Condemn the Communist Bloc". Ordinary SJW/far-right tactics.
Also GG to the delegates who approved this crapola.

Against.

[The Wallenburgian World Assembly Offices]

How did this complete trash get into quorum without evidences, or whatever provable by the submitee? This is something that I can remember of from the attempted "Condemn the Communist Bloc". Ordinary SJW/far-right tactics.
Also GG to the delegates who approved this crapola.

Against.

It got to vote because the author bothered to run a TG campaign for it.

Against. The SC is not meant to attack regions you so happen to dislike.

[Liberis Civitatibus]

This is basically the NS example of Muslim nations calling Israel a bunch of Nazis (telegram me for a discussion, as I don't plan on returning to this forum).