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[ABANDONED] Repeal "Liberate Kaiserreich"

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[ABANDONED] Repeal "Liberate Kaiserreich"

Postby The Confederate Territory » Tue May 22, 2018 8:41 pm

The Security Council,

Noting that Kaiserreich at one point needed Liberation in order to bring an end to the fascism rampant in the region;

Also noting that a Liberation badge can often be seen as a victory for the region;

Believing Kaiserreich to have learned from the Liberation and no longer needing it as Nazi propaganda and fascism are no longer embraced or rampant in the region;

Further believing that repealing Kaiserreich's Liberation will remove what might be considered a trophy to their past while also allowing them a fresh start without the stain of their fascist past in the form of Security Council Resolution #245 Liberate Kaiserreich;

Acknowledging that Liberating Kaiserreich has brought positive change for the region and helped eliminate fascism and Nazi propaganda although it leaves them vulnerable to invasions and raids should the Founder leave;

Convinced that Kaiserreich deserves to be able to defend itself should the Founder leave;

The Security Council hereby repeals Security Council Resolution #245 Liberate Kaiserreich.


A little background. When I was new to the game, I wrote the proposal Commend Northern Redlands which stirred a lot of controversy as I not only ignored the forum, but I also attempted to commend my own region without understanding the prestige behind commendations. That being said, I am trying to learn from my past mistakes and get more involved in the World Assembly.

Anyways, the region at hand, Kaiserreich, once had a problem with fascism and Nazism, but I no longer see that as a threat. Everyone in that region now is polite, friendly, and focused toward role playing. I truly think they no longer need liberation. Admittedly, it has only been a few months since their liberation, but it is a new region from what I remember and I feel they deserve a second chance.

Please let me know what you think of this proposal and how I might be able to improve it. I still am relatively new to all of this.

Very respectfully,

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Tue May 22, 2018 9:16 pm

Lol. They’re still fascist. They didn’t learn.
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Postby The Confederate Territory » Tue May 22, 2018 9:22 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:Lol. They’re still fascist. They didn’t learn.


You really think so? A few months ago it was BAD. Now not so much, and they all seem like nice people over there to me.
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Postby Cedoria » Wed May 23, 2018 2:30 am

Opposed. No evidence that KR has changed it's ways since the original proposal was passed.
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Postby The Confederate Territory » Wed May 23, 2018 6:48 am

Cedoria wrote:Opposed. No evidence that KR has changed it's ways since the original proposal was passed.


Where did all the hate speech and Nazi propaganda go then?
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Postby Terra Voltera » Wed May 23, 2018 9:09 am

The Confederate Territory wrote:
Cedoria wrote:Opposed. No evidence that KR has changed it's ways since the original proposal was passed.


Where did all the hate speech and Nazi propaganda go then?

Behind mask specific channels a common person can't see any longer. Trust me, KREICH hasn't changed one iota. They're hiding it from people they don't trust, which is the only thing they learned from the liberation proposal. Opposed to this, btw.
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Postby Rrborn 4 » Wed May 23, 2018 9:19 am

Lol. Looks like round 23 of the "is Kaiserreich a Nazi region?". Can't wait for 34 pages of mudslinging and "their discord had a racist joke xddddddd"

I thank the person who started this for believing in our ability to change but at this point God himself could declare we aren't nazis and this resolution still wouldn't pass. People in the SC community are open to change about every blue moon.

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Postby Telta » Wed May 23, 2018 9:24 am

i do not belive that just because they are fascist, should they be frowned upon. As they have every right to be here as a capitalist, liberist, communist,etc.

But Nazism brings it to a whole other degree. Which must be dealt with.

If they are doing so behind the scenes, then liberation must exist. If they have learned there lesson, then liberation is no longer needed. Its simple as that.

And proof that they have learned there lesson is poorly shown from what I see. Does anyone see any proof that they have learned there lesson?
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Postby The Confederate Territory » Wed May 23, 2018 9:34 am

Terra Voltera wrote:
The Confederate Territory wrote:
Where did all the hate speech and Nazi propaganda go then?

Behind mask specific channels a common person can't see any longer. Trust me, KREICH hasn't changed one iota. They're hiding it from people they don't trust, which is the only thing they learned from the liberation proposal. Opposed to this, btw.

Rrborn 4 wrote:Lol. Looks like round 23 of the "is Kaiserreich a Nazi region?". Can't wait for 34 pages of mudslinging and "their discord had a racist joke xddddddd"

I thank the person who started this for believing in our ability to change but at this point God himself could declare we aren't nazis and this resolution still wouldn't pass. People in the SC community are open to change about every blue moon.
Telta wrote:i do not belive that just because they are fascist, should they be frowned upon. As they have every right to be here as a capitalist, liberist, communist,etc.

But Nazism brings it to a whole other degree. Which must be dealt with.

If they are doing so behind the scenes, then liberation must exist. If they have learned there lesson, then liberation is no longer needed. Its simple as that.

And proof that they have learned there lesson is poorly shown from what I see. Does anyone see any proof that they have learned there lesson?


Fair enough. Thanks for all of the feedback, I do appreciate it. I likely won't go through with the proposal since the majority of people seem to be opposed to it.
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Postby Northern Mexico » Wed May 23, 2018 11:18 am

I oppose this proposal since I do not believe in rewarding someone for something they were pressured into doing. I would not want to be rewarded for changing something due to external pressure and I assume that KAISERREICH does not want it either. It is better to be principled than accept an unjust reward.

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Postby The Grinning Business » Wed May 23, 2018 12:56 pm

I oppose this resolution.
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Postby Willania Imperium » Wed May 23, 2018 5:48 pm

Opposed.

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Postby The Confederate Territory » Wed May 23, 2018 8:03 pm

Northern Mexico wrote:I oppose this proposal since I do not believe in rewarding someone for something they were pressured into doing. I would not want to be rewarded for changing something due to external pressure and I assume that KAISERREICH does not want it either. It is better to be principled than accept an unjust reward.


In all fairness, the liberation badge itself is a cool reward. I mean who doesn’t want a nice badge on their region page? Yeah I’m not going through with the proposal.
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu May 24, 2018 8:02 am

If you really want to drop this proposal, [ABANDONED] would probably be a good replacement title tag.
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Postby Kurnugia » Sun May 27, 2018 6:40 am

The Confederate Territory wrote:
Northern Mexico wrote:I oppose this proposal since I do not believe in rewarding someone for something they were pressured into doing. I would not want to be rewarded for changing something due to external pressure and I assume that KAISERREICH does not want it either. It is better to be principled than accept an unjust reward.


In all fairness, the liberation badge itself is a cool reward. I mean who doesn’t want a nice badge on their region page? Yeah I’m not going through with the proposal.

It has GP implications though. Unless you are a GCR ofc.
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