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Postby Aclion » Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:54 am

Caelapes wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:Well you do misapply and abuse fascism as a insult and justification for invasion.

No, I don't.

Please, this tired old dance is worse then KK's
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Postby North Curbstompia » Wed May 02, 2018 6:17 am

>implying there's anything wrong with it
Besides, Nazi jokes and wordplay are fun.
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Postby West Leas Oros » Wed May 02, 2018 6:18 am

North Curbstompia wrote:>implying there's anything wrong with it
Besides, Nazi jokes and wordplay are fun.
Looking führer gute time? You've come to the reich place, baby. We're having a gas. Anne Frankly this fun party won't stop.

Stop. You’re making me fuhrerious.
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Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Postby United Massachusetts » Wed May 02, 2018 6:19 am

North Curbstompia wrote:>implying there's anything wrong with it
Besides, Nazi jokes and wordplay are fun.
Looking führer gute time? You've come to the reich place, baby. We're having a gas. Anne Frankly this fun party won't stop.

Stop.

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Postby North Curbstompia » Wed May 02, 2018 6:26 am

United Massachusetts wrote:
North Curbstompia wrote:>implying there's anything wrong with it
Besides, Nazi jokes and wordplay are fun.
Looking führer gute time? You've come to the reich place, baby. We're having a gas. Anne Frankly this fun party won't stop.

Stop.

No need to be so stuka up. Learn to have some humor. You'll enjoy having your sides blitzkrieged.

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Postby Lenlyvit » Wed May 02, 2018 6:31 am

North Curbstompia wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:Stop.

No need to be so stuka up. Learn to have some humor. You'll enjoy having your sides blitzkrieged.

You are in no way funny, at all. Stop with this bs.
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Postby North Curbstompia » Wed May 02, 2018 6:38 am

Eh, leave it up to commies to not know how to have humor in wordplay or in general.
At least West Leas Oros was enough of a sport to join in.

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Postby Sovaal » Wed May 02, 2018 6:41 am

North Curbstompia wrote:Eh, leave it up to commies to not know how to have humor in wordplay or in general.
At least West Leas Oros was enough of a sport to join in.

In all fairness you got a chuckle out of me at least.
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Postby Jakker » Wed May 02, 2018 7:01 am

North Curbstompia, your comments are cutting it close to the edge of requiring formal moderation action, especially "We're having a gas. Anne Frankly this fun party won't stop" and you are currently not adding anything else to the conversation beyond that. Please be advised moving forward.
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Postby West Leas Oros » Wed May 02, 2018 8:26 am

North Curbstompia wrote:Eh, leave it up to commies to not know how to have humor in wordplay or in general.
At least West Leas Oros was enough of a sport to join in.

These jokes just aren’t the Reich thing to do.
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Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed May 02, 2018 9:28 am

Please stop. Those are not funny 'jokes'

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Postby West Leas Oros » Wed May 02, 2018 9:52 am

Lord Dominator wrote:Please stop. Those are not funny 'jokes'

Am I getting bad Marx for these hiel-arious puns?
You can commie on the phone if you don’t like it.
I’m really Tsar-y for the puns.
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PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Postby Ransium » Wed May 02, 2018 11:25 am

Perhaps Jakker was a bit too polite. Stop this unfunny thread jack. Now.

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Postby West Leas Oros » Wed May 02, 2018 11:56 am

Ransium wrote:Perhaps Jakker was a bit too polite. Stop this unfunny thread jack. Now.

Aw... anyway back on topic.

Targeting regions for ideological reasons, rather than their actions, is wrong.
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PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 02, 2018 12:11 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
Ransium wrote:Perhaps Jakker was a bit too polite. Stop this unfunny thread jack. Now.

Aw... anyway back on topic.

Targeting regions for ideological reasons, rather than their actions, is wrong.

The problem is that Nazism explicitly advocates some form of ethnic cleansing, usually in the form of genocide or deportation. Genociding and deporting one's own citizens or advocating for doing so is a very good reason to condemn a region.
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Postby Kurnugia » Wed May 02, 2018 12:12 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
Ransium wrote:Perhaps Jakker was a bit too polite. Stop this unfunny thread jack. Now.

Aw... anyway back on topic.

Targeting regions for ideological reasons, rather than their actions, is wrong.

This is a political sim. Ideological-based casus bellis belongs to politics
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Postby West Leas Oros » Wed May 02, 2018 12:14 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:Aw... anyway back on topic.

Targeting regions for ideological reasons, rather than their actions, is wrong.

The problem is that Nazism explicitly advocates some form of ethnic cleansing, usually in the form of genocide or deportation. Genociding and deporting one's own citizens or advocating for doing so is a very good reason to condemn a region.

In that case, why limit it to simply fascism? Why not spread it to any ideology we claim is bad. This is the problem.
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 02, 2018 12:19 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:The problem is that Nazism explicitly advocates some form of ethnic cleansing, usually in the form of genocide or deportation. Genociding and deporting one's own citizens or advocating for doing so is a very good reason to condemn a region.

In that case, why limit it to simply fascism? Why not spread it to any ideology we claim is bad. This is the problem.

I'm again getting the feeling that you don't even read my posts before responding.
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Postby Coronational Chechyans and affiliates » Wed May 02, 2018 12:19 pm

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Coronational Chechyans and affiliates wrote:Nope no free expression here. I expressed a differing opinion and sarcastically made an example of the slippery slope argument. Instead of addressing it some people on here jsut throw insults and cry to the mods.


Slipperly slope fallacy*

It's only an argument if it actually debates what's going on. "Oh, A can lead to B can lead to C" isn't an argument. It's generally better form to debate A, then B when it is discussed, and then C when it is discussed. Anything can be corrupted, anything can be taken too far. You aren't arguing that we shouldn't work against Fascist and Nazi regions, but instead your offense is that future ideologies will be attacked. So, either you're looking to defend Nazis without defending them, or your argument is fearmongering and nonsensical.

I made a region based on groups considered offensive based in america without any connection to nazism. To prove my point the scope would spread which became true when I got immediately labeled a Nazi sympathizer and had my region banned. This is despite the fact the region i created literally was just one that already exists with the word "THE " added in front of it. So it proves that not only could the scope grow it already has according to the moderators.

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Postby West Leas Oros » Wed May 02, 2018 12:21 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:In that case, why limit it to simply fascism? Why not spread it to any ideology we claim is bad. This is the problem.

I'm again getting the feeling that you don't even read my posts before responding.

You’re the one claiming that nazism should be condemned for being bad, but either do this with all “wrong” ideologies, or admit to special pleading.
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 02, 2018 12:26 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I'm again getting the feeling that you don't even read my posts before responding.

You’re the one claiming that nazism should be condemned for being bad, but either do this with all “wrong” ideologies, or admit to special pleading.

I listed reasons why it would be reasonable to Nazism. Are you really saying that all other ideologies advocate death?
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Postby West Leas Oros » Wed May 02, 2018 12:32 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:You’re the one claiming that nazism should be condemned for being bad, but either do this with all “wrong” ideologies, or admit to special pleading.

I listed reasons why it would be reasonable to Nazism. Are you really saying that all other ideologies advocate death?

No, but there are other ideologies that do. Radical communism is based on violent revolution, religious fundamentalism is based on the slaughter of infidels, the list continues. You’re claiming special pleading.
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 02, 2018 12:35 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I listed reasons why it would be reasonable to Nazism. Are you really saying that all other ideologies advocate death?

No, but there are other ideologies that do. Radical communism is based on violent revolution, religious fundamentalism is based on the slaughter of infidels, the list continues. You’re claiming special pleading.

When did I ever say revolutionary communists and theocrats shouldn't be condemned, hm?
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Postby West Leas Oros » Wed May 02, 2018 12:42 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:No, but there are other ideologies that do. Radical communism is based on violent revolution, religious fundamentalism is based on the slaughter of infidels, the list continues. You’re claiming special pleading.

When did I ever say revolutionary communists and theocrats shouldn't be condemned, hm?

You never said you didn’t, I assumed you didn’t think so. Almost everyone I’ve heard defending your position tends to claim special pleading, and the SC has yet to take action against revcoms or fundamentalists, some even get commended. Looking at you TRF.
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PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 02, 2018 12:46 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:When did I ever say revolutionary communists and theocrats shouldn't be condemned, hm?

You never said you didn’t, I assumed you didn’t think so.

Assuming the beliefs of the opposition is bad praxis, fyi.
Almost everyone I’ve heard defending your position tends to claim special pleading,

Examples?
and the SC has yet to take action against revcoms or fundamentalists, some even get commended. Looking at you TRF.

Is TRF even explicitly revolutionary, though?
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