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Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:08 pm**

Whereas Antifa has claimed responsibility for countless raids and takeovers of various sovereign regions.

Whereas Antifa has continued to spread hatred and conflict towards political ideologies that do not conform to their own and attack those who refuse to submit to Antifa's ideological thinking.

Stating that Antifa's actions are completely and utterly unacceptable and that they show no remorse for their actions.

Noting that more regions continue to fall into the grip of Antifa's tyrannical rule and that no major action has been taken by the Security Council to stop this.

Specific examples of such raids that Antifa has coordinated include, but are not limited to: The Holy Crusade, The United Peace Front, Southern Deutschland, Fascist Communist Alliance, and the Northwest Territory.

Realizing that if Antifa's activities continue to remain unchecked and overlooked, they could eventually cause possible international destabilization.

Therefore, the Security Council hereby condemns Antifa.

Posted: **Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:38 am**

This example is probably more interesting as it was the subject of a failed liberation.

Posted: **Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:33 pm**

Darn lunatics! Attacking Nazis.. Who do they think they are ..?!

Posted: **Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:34 pm**

You really need to draft longer before submitting. No support.

Posted: **Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:40 pm**

Indo-Malaysia wrote:Darn lunatics! Attacking Nazis.. Who do they think they are ..?!

Its concerning that more and more people are jumping on the band-wagon rhetoric of " People on the site disagree with me/my ideology so I'm going to call them nazis!" Its a threat to not only the effectiveness of the WA but to the existence of diversity on NS.
Just because a region is: german themed, right winged, disagrees with the WA, is a political minority, or not politically correct does not make it nazi.

Anyways, I love this draft. We need to crack down on raiders and defend more regions' rights to exist, regardless of ideology.

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:54 am**

Chill beats LLC wrote:
Indo-Malaysia wrote:Darn lunatics! Attacking Nazis.. Who do they think they are ..?!

Its concerning that more and more people are jumping on the band-wagon rhetoric of " People on the site disagree with me/my ideology so I'm going to call them nazis!" Its a threat to not only the effectiveness of the WA but to the existence of diversity on NS.
Just because a region is: german themed, right winged, disagrees with the WA, is a political minority, or not politically correct does not make it nazi.

Anyways, I love this draft. We need to crack down on raiders and defend more regions' rights to exist, regardless of ideology.

Research before you post. ANTIFA is a historical fash bashing org.

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:17 am**

There's no point in drafting if you're going to submit it immediately. At least wait a week or two for feedback and improvements.

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:11 am**

Indo-Malaysia wrote:
Chill beats LLC wrote:Its concerning that more and more people are jumping on the band-wagon rhetoric of " People on the site disagree with me/my ideology so I'm going to call them nazis!" Its a threat to not only the effectiveness of the WA but to the existence of diversity on NS.
Just because a region is: german themed, right winged, disagrees with the WA, is a political minority, or not politically correct does not make it nazi.

Anyways, I love this draft. We need to crack down on raiders and defend more regions' rights to exist, regardless of ideology.

Research before you post. ANTIFA is a historical fash bashing org.

I did research. I know that antifa is "fash-bashing", nothing about what I said indicated otherwise. But they, and a large portion of NS, seem to think that the type of regions i listed are nazi or fascist simply because they're different from the norm.

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:51 am**

Hogwarts Pride has a point, these terrorists would not hesitate to destroy those who oppose them, attacking those who are not deemed politically correct.

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:55 am**

Codd wrote:Hogwarts Pride has a point, these terrorists would not hesitate to destroy those who oppose them, attacking those who are not deemed politically correct.

So you want regions like Nazi Europe, KKK and Hitler Youth frolicking about?

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:59 am**

Indo-Malaysia wrote:So you want regions like Nazi Europe, KKK and Reichsfuhrer Adolf Hitler frolicking about?

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:00 am**

Aclion wrote:
Indo-Malaysia wrote:So you want regions like Nazi Europe, KKK and Reichsfuhrer Adolf Hitler frolicking about?

Oh wow. Answering a question with a question. Mystical. :eyebrow:

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:22 pm**

Indo-Malaysia wrote:
Chill beats LLC wrote:Its concerning that more and more people are jumping on the band-wagon rhetoric of " People on the site disagree with me/my ideology so I'm going to call them nazis!" Its a threat to not only the effectiveness of the WA but to the existence of diversity on NS.
Just because a region is: german themed, right winged, disagrees with the WA, is a political minority, or not politically correct does not make it nazi.

Anyways, I love this draft. We need to crack down on raiders and defend more regions' rights to exist, regardless of ideology.

Research before you post. ANTIFA is a historical fash bashing org.

They are also terrorists who mistakenly equate nonconforming ideologies to fascism. Antifa being antifascist is about as true as the Democratic People’ Republic of Korea being democratic.

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:48 pm**

West Leas Oros wrote:
Indo-Malaysia wrote:Research before you post. ANTIFA is a historical fash bashing org.

They are also terrorists who mistakenly equate nonconforming ideologies to fascism. Antifa being antifascist is about as true as the Democratic People’ Republic of Korea being democratic.

I suppose you have evidence.

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:51 pm**

Indo-Malaysia wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:They are also terrorists who mistakenly equate nonconforming ideologies to fascism. Antifa being antifascist is about as true as the Democratic People’ Republic of Korea being democratic.

I suppose you have evidence.

Antifa, both IRL and on NS, are based around identity politics and are legitimate anarchists. NS Antifa also has been involved with other radical left regions such as TRF and The Internationale, both of whom are notorious as raiders and hypocrites.

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:07 pm**

West Leas Oros wrote:
Indo-Malaysia wrote:I suppose you have evidence.

Antifa, both IRL and on NS, are based around identity politics and are legitimate anarchists. NS Antifa also has been involved with other radical left regions such as TRF and The Internationale, both of whom are notorious as raiders and hypocrites.

Still no evidence, and until then your points are moot.

The NS ANTIFA is complete different than the irl version. The NS version is a loose alliance of regions such as North Korea and Mariner Trench who serve to remove Nazi influence spreading radicalisation and hate.

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:20 pm**

Indo-Malaysia wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:Antifa, both IRL and on NS, are based around identity politics and are legitimate anarchists. NS Antifa also has been involved with other radical left regions such as TRF and The Internationale, both of whom are notorious as raiders and hypocrites.

Still no evidence, and until then your points are moot.

The NS ANTIFA is complete different than the irl version. The NS version is a loose alliance of regions such as North Korea and Mariner Trench who serve to remove Nazi influence spreading radicalisation and hate.

Assuming that they only target legitimate nazis. Which they don’t. Anyone who dares to oppose them is crushed, because, as they like to believe, you are either with them or against them. Anyone who holds any form of a conservative viewpoint is also a fascist in their eyes. There are plenty of people, on this forum even, who have accounts of run ins with these nasty anarchists. You can also look at the actions of other regions in their infernal alliance to see the actions of those they take pride in supporting.

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:07 pm**

Indo-Malaysia wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:Antifa, both IRL and on NS, are based around identity politics and are legitimate anarchists. NS Antifa also has been involved with other radical left regions such as TRF and The Internationale, both of whom are notorious as raiders and hypocrites.

Still no evidence, and until then your points are moot.

The NS ANTIFA is complete different than the irl version. The NS version is a loose alliance of regions such as North Korea and Mariner Trench who serve to remove Nazi influence spreading radicalisation and hate.

Name a few regions they've raided that have actually imposed nazi values and ideologies and have actively sought to spread them through NS.
Until you do, your points are moot.

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:28 pm**

Chill beats LLC wrote:
Indo-Malaysia wrote:Still no evidence, and until then your points are moot.

The NS ANTIFA is complete different than the irl version. The NS version is a loose alliance of regions such as North Korea and Mariner Trench who serve to remove Nazi influence spreading radicalisation and hate.

Name a few regions they've raided that have actually imposed nazi values and ideologies and have actively sought to spread them through NS.
Until you do, your points are moot.

Nationalsozialistische Volksstaaten
The NSIA

among plenty of others

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:07 pm**

Caelapes wrote:
Chill beats LLC wrote:Name a few regions they've raided that have actually imposed nazi values and ideologies and have actively sought to spread them through NS.
Until you do, your points are moot.

Nationalsozialistische Volksstaaten
The NSIA

among plenty of others

These regions simply existed within themselves, and did not try to force their ideology on others. Now, if you use raiding as an argument against, your mistaken. Raiding is an internal game function, and not a tool for ideological warfare.

Posted: **Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:57 pm**

Chill beats LLC wrote:
Caelapes wrote:Nationalsozialistische Volksstaaten
The NSIA

among plenty of others

These regions simply existed within themselves, and did not try to force their ideology on others. Now, if you use raiding as an argument against, your mistaken. Raiding is an internal game function, and not a tool for ideological warfare.

Few regions do it onsite. The ones that do, they do it via discord so they can't be DEAT'd/DOS'd by moderation.

I remember in an SC thread, someone posted a welcome TG from Nazi Europa asking people to join the discord so as to discuss hateful content banned on-site.

Posted: **Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:47 pm**

Chill beats LLC wrote:
Caelapes wrote:Nationalsozialistische Volksstaaten
The NSIA

among plenty of others

These regions simply existed within themselves, and did not try to force their ideology on others. Now, if you use raiding as an argument against, your mistaken. Raiding is an internal game function, and not a tool for ideological warfare.

If the moderation/admins/siteowner isn't willing to fix this error, then it's up to the community to do so and raiding is one way to do so.

Posted: **Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:49 pm**

Kurnugia wrote:
Chill beats LLC wrote:These regions simply existed within themselves, and did not try to force their ideology on others. Now, if you use raiding as an argument against, your mistaken. Raiding is an internal game function, and not a tool for ideological warfare.

If the moderation/admins/siteowner isn't willing to fix this error, then it's up to the community to do so and raiding is one way to do so.

Assuming that antifa actually only targets legitimate fascists rather than those they simply disagree with.

Posted: **Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:13 pm**

"I just don't see any substance here. Until you can spell out, IN DETAIL, specific acts that need to be condemned, there is no way this can go forward".

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:12 pm**

Chill beats LLC wrote:
Indo-Malaysia wrote:Darn lunatics! Attacking Nazis.. Who do they think they are ..?!

Its concerning that more and more people are jumping on the band-wagon rhetoric of " People on the site disagree with me/my ideology so I'm going to call them nazis!" Its a threat to not only the effectiveness of the WA but to the existence of diversity on NS.
Just because a region is: german themed, right winged, disagrees with the WA, is a political minority, or not politically correct does not make it nazi.

Anyways, I love this draft. We need to crack down on raiders and defend more regions' rights to exist, regardless of ideology.

Assuming these guys are actually raiders — unless and until Max decides it's illegal, raiding is legit gameplay. "Cracking-down" on them with the condemn badge isn't going to do anything to them. Zip. It's not actionable, it's not going to send them a message they're not bothered to read, or feel any kind of real sting from getting slapped in here.

Generally regions that wear any kind of "raider" label, don't really care what others outside that community think of them. They'll likely thank you for the recognition the badge means for the quality of their efforts.

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[Draft] Condemn Antifa

[Draft] Condemn Antifa