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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:39 pm

I had an idea earlier, that I would like to discuss as I am unsure whether it is feasible.

Usually, raider leaders and organisations are awarded condemnations for their achievements; this is due to raiding being seen as a negative light by some.

I believe however that because some raiders have contributed greatly to the game, it would be nice to award a commendation.
I would like to ask whether such an idea would be accepted by the WALL, common voters and what people in general think.
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Postby The Stalker » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:49 pm

Well Evil Wolf is Commended. There is a repeal in the works, but he has, so it does happen.

I think a raiders can be Commended, it's just usually more fitting to Condemn them.
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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:51 pm

The Stalker wrote:Well Evil Wolf is Commended. There is a repeal in the works, but he has, so it does happen.

I think a raiders can be Commended, it's just usually more fitting to Condemn them.

I was referring to a raider being commended. Not a person getting commended before turning face.
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Postby The Stalker » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:06 pm

Indo-Malaysia wrote:
The Stalker wrote:Well Evil Wolf is Commended. There is a repeal in the works, but he has, so it does happen.

I think a raiders can be Commended, it's just usually more fitting to Condemn them.

I was referring to a raider being commended. Not a person getting commended before turning face.


You ask if a Raider can be commended. Evil Wolf was a raider and founder of the LWU well before being Commended.

Him taking over a GCR is why people wanna repeal it, not because he is a raider.
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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:21 pm

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Indo-Malaysia wrote:I was referring to a raider being commended. Not a person getting commended before turning face.


You ask if a Raider can be commended. Evil Wolf was a raider and founder of the LWU well before being Commended.

Him taking over a GCR is why people wanna repeal it, not because he is a raider.

Oh crap I forgot about that bit :/

Before this becomes another Lazarus debate, I sorta just gave up reading the whole debacle and started reading SC instead ;)
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Postby Lenlyvit » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:25 pm

I don't think raiders should be commended for doing bad things, like at all. That's like telling a bully they're doing an amazing job at terrorizing other kids, and to keep doing it. (Sorry, horrible analogy I know. No one kill me for it pls, its all I can think of in my sleep deprived head rn). I may not like Condemnations, but when it comes to raiding (even though its a badge of honor) its more fitting than a commendation.
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Postby Evil Wolf » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:34 pm

Indo-Malaysia wrote:I was referring to a raider being commended. Not a person getting commended before turning face.


Uh, I've been a raider since 2005. I performed hundreds of raids (actual raids, not tag raids) well before I got commended. If anything, I've performed less raids since being Commended. There was never any "turning face". Sorry?
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Postby Jakker » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:11 pm

As has been mentioned, it is totally a thing that raiders can and should be commended if their resume' calls for it.
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Postby Solorni » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:30 pm

What about the opposite though? Could we condemn a defender for defending?
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:12 pm

I think this is something of an attempt to hold back the Condemnation from enshrinement as a badge of honour, and thereby, further aims that the Liberation not continue as some kind of reprimand. I think it unlikely that it will happen, unless it comes to pass that having a condemnation is in fact a bad thing (some sort of penalty). But that is necessarily unlikely, as we have already treated Condemnations to in fact be badges of honour for so long that effecting such a change now would seem . . . unapt.

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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:56 pm

Evil Wolf wrote:
Indo-Malaysia wrote:I was referring to a raider being commended. Not a person getting commended before turning face.


Uh, I've been a raider since 2005. I performed hundreds of raids (actual raids, not tag raids) well before I got commended. If anything, I've performed less raids since being Commended. There was never any "turning face". Sorry?

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Postby Jakker » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:58 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:I think this is something of an attempt to hold back the Condemnation from enshrinement as a badge of honour, and thereby, further aims that the Liberation not continue as some kind of reprimand. I think it unlikely that it will happen, unless it comes to pass that having a condemnation is in fact a bad thing (some sort of penalty). But that is necessarily unlikely, as we have already treated Condemnations to in fact be badges of honour for so long that effecting such a change now would seem . . . unapt.


Even if condemnations continue to be viewed as badges of honor, this does not mean that a raider or raiding cannot be commended. But yes, similar to EW's commendation, it would take a special nominee and author to make it happen.

Solorni wrote:What about the opposite though? Could we condemn a defender for defending?


Anything is possible :P I think it's silly to say that all R/D is simple and that one side is only commendable and one side is only condemnable.
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Postby Edrarin » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:04 am

I see no reason why raiders shouldn't be commended. Like every other nation, if they have done something which is outstanding and is recognized by the international community then they should be commended.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:51 am

I mean, if a particular raider has done something Commend worthy I don't see why not, but we'd shouldn't do it for raiding.
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Postby The Stalker » Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:13 am

There can be good raiding and bad defending.

I think raiding Nazi regions is good, I think defending Nazi regions is bad. Gotta look at it case by case.
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Postby Krualstiken » Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:17 am

Now I'm just thinking about all the condemnations of the little raider orgs that move 4 hours before update :p

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Postby Benevolent Thomas » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:10 pm

Solorni wrote:What about the opposite though? Could we condemn a defender for defending?

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Postby West Leas Oros » Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:10 pm

Lenlyvit wrote:I don't think raiders should be commended for doing bad things, like at all. That's like telling a bully they're doing an amazing job at terrorizing other kids, and to keep doing it. (Sorry, horrible analogy I know. No one kill me for it pls, its all I can think of in my sleep deprived head rn). I may not like Condemnations, but when it comes to raiding (even though its a badge of honor) its more fitting than a commendation.

Then why did TRF get a commendation, if raiding is so bad?
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West Leas Oros wrote:
Lenlyvit wrote:I don't think raiders should be commended for doing bad things, like at all. That's like telling a bully they're doing an amazing job at terrorizing other kids, and to keep doing it. (Sorry, horrible analogy I know. No one kill me for it pls, its all I can think of in my sleep deprived head rn). I may not like Condemnations, but when it comes to raiding (even though its a badge of honor) its more fitting than a commendation.

Then why did TRF get a commendation, if raiding is so bad?

Something about mostly raiding nazi/fascist regions if I recall the arguments correctly
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Postby West Leas Oros » Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:58 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:Then why did TRF get a commendation, if raiding is so bad?

Something about mostly raiding nazi/fascist regions if I recall the arguments correctly

So, raiding is unjustifiable, except when it isn’t. I smell special pleading here...
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Postby Lord Dominator » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:30 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Something about mostly raiding nazi/fascist regions if I recall the arguments correctly

So, raiding is unjustifiable, except when it isn’t. I smell special pleading here...

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