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Observing the current outcome of the current vote, I've decided to pursue a rough draft of a Liberation of the region, which will be typed up extremely shortly. New Ex Partia had contacted me on possibly trying to do a Neoliberation, but I've decided to do so myself at this time.

EDIT: This proposal will not be pursued, especially due to the region having been refounded.

Confederate Region?

They have an active founder, a non-executive delegate, and no password. There is no point in trying this.

EDIT: Also, I'm not sure what exactly the term "neoliberation" is supposed to do - "offensive liberation" is more commonly used to express the same action.

Kaboomlandia wrote:They have an active founder, a non-executive delegate, and no password. There is no point in trying this.

except that it keeps working

What do neoliberations even do lmao.

Verlzonia wrote:What do neoliberations even do lmao.

Normally, offensive liberations (I'm not using the term neoliberation. Nobody else outside of Navasse does.) are meant to remove a delegate-imposed password to allow a region to be raided and refounded. This region ticks none of those boxes. It isn't passworded, so the liberation will do nothing, it will not remove a founder-imposed password (delegate is non-exec so they can't do it), and nobody will raid it anyways because the founder is active.

In short, a liberation of this region would do absolutely nothing.

Libertalas wrote:Confederate Region?

'Confederate Regions' in the name refers to the original four regions that merged to form a confederation. It has no connection to US history.

Kaboomlandia wrote:Also, I'm not sure what exactly the term "neoliberation" is supposed to do - "offensive liberation" is more commonly used to express the same action.

What Navasse calls a "neoliberation" is something for which we already have a term : a preemptive offensive liberation. He insists on using this inutile nondescript term either as distancing (like "collateral damage" vs murdering innocent civilians and "pacification" vs use of force to intimidate civilian populations) or stubbornness.

Given that Condemnations are honor-badges now, which is a reason this current Condemnation resolution is failing, I'm not surprised to see someone else propose an offensive Liberation of Union of Confederate Regions.

There are some *concerning* allegations against their Founder I've been informed of, that I wouldn't post on the forums (PM me on Discord for screenshots instead.)

(Disclaimer: my post doesn't guarantee I'll support this resolution, I'm just bringing new info to the table. Anyway, good luck!)

Imperium Anglorum wrote:

Kaboomlandia wrote:Also, I'm not sure what exactly the term "neoliberation" is supposed to do - "offensive liberation" is more commonly used to express the same action.

What Navasse calls a "neoliberation" is something for which we already have a term : a preemptive offensive liberation. He insists on using this inutile nondescript term either as distancing (like "collateral damage" vs murdering innocent civilians and "pacification" vs use of force to intimidate civilian populations) or stubbornness.

That seems to be the general vibe I've gotten after a quick search, and given that I have yet to see anyone other than him actually use it in context I do not see the point to it.

La Navasse wrote:Observing the current outcome of the current vote, I've decided to pursue a rough draft of a Liberation of the region, which will be typed up extremely shortly. New Ex Part is had contacted me on possibly trying to do a Neoliberation, but I've decided to do so myself at this time.

Patria: "I can't make this liberation myself because nobody will take me seriously after it was evident that I was doing this for personal reasons, so I'm going to continue to try to attack the UCR by using another person as a pseudo-puppet that can do it for me!"


There's no reason to do this "Neoliberation". All you're doing is making an absolute mockery of the SC by using it to target and harass regions that don't align with what is agreed by your little group.

Mingulay Isle wrote:

Kaboomlandia wrote:They have an active founder, a non-executive delegate, and no password. There is no point in trying this.

except that it keeps working

Working in what sense? They don't do anything in the slightest. They don't discourage new nations from joining and increasing the population. They don't kick out current members. They don't turn the region into a wasteland. They don't make the region raidable. All it does is make your egos that tiny bit bigger because 'ogm we did something to a big region'. The UCR has done nothing to deserve anything of this nature.

The current/previous proposal was built on lies and hyperbole, what's truly going to make this any different? People will campaign and the WA will either be smart about it, or they'll follow the masses, but either way nothing will happen. This is utterly pointless and a waste of everyone's time.

Queen Yuno wrote:Given that Condemnations are honor-badges now, which is a reason this current Condemnation resolution is failing, I'm not surprised to see someone else propose an offensive Liberation of Union of Confederate Regions.

There are some *concerning* allegations against their Founder I've been informed of, that I wouldn't post on the forums (PM me on Discord for screenshots instead.)

(Disclaimer: my post doesn't guarantee I'll support this resolution, I'm just bringing new info to the table. Anyway, good luck!)

The allegations against me do exist and I will urge anyone who seeks to investigate them to contact me for discussion.

That being said, liberations of this sort are bound to become badges of honor as well eventually. Some of my subjects already express interest in the liberation after the current resolution's failure to give us a badge.

Mingulay Isle wrote:

Kaboomlandia wrote:They have an active founder, a non-executive delegate, and no password. There is no point in trying this.

except that it keeps working

It does?

Nazi Europa remains unscathed, KAISEREICH is unscathed, and Femdom Empire refounded with an active founder.

Indo-Malaysia wrote:

Mingulay Isle wrote:except that it keeps working

It does?

Nazi Europa remains unscathed, KAISEREICH is unscathed, and Femdom Empire refounded with an active founder.

The pay-off for these resolutions is farther in the future then a few months, Indo. No one is trying to hide that fact.

Ugh. Enough of this.

Alkasia wrote:Ugh. Enough of this.

Right, this. UCR isn't fascist

There are literally billions of actual problems in the world and you decide to deal with this non issue.

Begone.

Neo Byzantium wrote:There are literally billions of actual problems in the world and you decide to deal with this non issue.

Begone.

Enlighten us, O paragon of Security Council authorship. What issue should the SC be solving?

Ok. I can kind of understand the hate for KR. I personally feel the hate for both femdom and Nazi Europa. But UCR? Seriously? Is this how quickly your movement has devolved? What's next, DAWN? Driselbia? Where does it stop? What's the endgame here? To liberate every region that's looked at you funny? How many regions are we going to see forced open on the basis of hearsay and popular opinion?

Jesus. I guess 2018 is the year we see the SC become an unabashed weapon to bash everyone La Navasse doesn't like.

Rrborn wrote:What's the endgame here?

La Navasse needs MOAR BADGES!!!

Rrborn wrote:What's the endgame here?

According to a google image search, La Navasse is from Avatar and that means he wants for the SC to be completely consumed by that magic tree thing. At least, that's what makes the most sense. Needlessly liberating regions just to fuel ones online ego? Why, that's a silly option, no chance it could be that.

Rrborn wrote:Ok. I can kind of understand the hate for KR. I personally feel the hate for both femdom and Nazi Europa. But UCR? Seriously? Is this how quickly your movement has devolved? What's next, DAWN? Driselbia? Where does it stop? What's the endgame here? To liberate every region that's looked at you funny? How many regions are we going to see forced open on the basis of hearsay and popular opinion?

Jesus. I guess 2018 is the year we see the SC become an unabashed weapon to bash everyone La Navasse doesn't like.

We should have stopped at Liberate Dank Memes.

Instead, this Nazi Europa acolyte has been allowed to run riot and tarnish the council.

I get the liberate Nazi Europe because they're the biggest Nazi region, and Liberate KAISERREICH cause they're always denying their fascist/Nazi behavior, but unless a region is actually founderless I don't think we need to keep liberating regions with negative reputations.