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Hello! This is my first Security Council proposal, and I would love to hear all questions, death threats, inputs, outputs, thoughts, prayers, and criticism for the draft.
The main objective of this draft isn't in any way to support the Kaiserreich region but to remove and highlight the misuse of liberations that have recently passed in the World Assembly.


If you are against this, please let me know why! ALL FEEDBACK IS APPRECIATED!

At this point, it's futile. Whether you agree that KR is an actual fascist region or not, it's obvious that Liberate KAISERREICH will never be repealed, at least for now.

Westfacto wrote:Acknowledging that Security Council Resolution #245 “Liberate KAISERREICH” was passed to send a warning to Fascist and Nazi regions

This reads like filler. What I mean by that is how pointless it is to acknowledge a supposed positive of something that you want to repeal. If I were you, I'd change that line to something that describes the so-called "liberation" honestly, it is an act of political intimidation. There is no lying about that fact, whether you agree with the fact that they are Nazis or not, or whether Nazism is acceptable or not, the fact that is it meant to scare off anyone considered politically undesirable is undeniable.

Westfacto wrote:Praising the Security Council’s disapproval on regions that openly house and support Fascists and Nazis

What's good about this line is that it appeals to most of the SC. However, you should mention the controversy that was caused when labelling KR as a Fascist region, particularly the fact that many would consider KR not to be Fascist in their beliefs.

Westfacto wrote:Stating that Security Council liberations purpose is “to strike down Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry in a region”

No problems here on your part, I just think the WA's proposal layouts are terrible in getting straight to the point.

This is just advice, you don't have to take it, but I recommend that you do.

Not happening

Central Asian Republics wrote:At this point, it's futile. Whether you agree that KR is an actual fascist region or not, it's obvious that Liberate KAISERREICH will never be repealed, at least for now.

Westfacto wrote:Acknowledging that Security Council Resolution #245 “Liberate KAISERREICH” was passed to send a warning to Fascist and Nazi regions

This reads like filler. What I mean by that is how pointless it is to acknowledge a supposed positive of something that you want to repeal. If I were you, I'd change that line to something that describes the so-called "liberation" honestly, it is an act of political intimidation. There is no lying about that fact, whether you agree with the fact that they are Nazis or not, or whether Nazism is acceptable or not, the fact that is it meant to scare off anyone considered politically undesirable is undeniable.

Westfacto wrote:Praising the Security Council’s disapproval on regions that openly house and support Fascists and Nazis

What's good about this line is that it appeals to most of the SC. However, you should mention the controversy that was caused when labelling KR as a Fascist region, particularly the fact that many would consider KR not to be Fascist in their beliefs.

Westfacto wrote:Stating that Security Council liberations purpose is “to strike down Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry in a region”

No problems here on your part, I just think the WA's proposal layouts are terrible in getting straight to the point.

This is just advice, you don't have to take it, but I recommend that you do.

Thanks so much for responding!

1) I completely agree that the chances of this passing are slim. Do you think that I should just wait it out until other regions start to notice the negative effects of the liberation-condemnation hybrids? I mean the WA has a long history of flip-flopping repeals...?

2) I feel that the majority of the WA supports eliminating hate speech with the cost of free speech, and if I went that route there would be little support. I think that the majority of the WA will vote no on anything if it is in KAISERREICH's defense.

3) It seemed that the majority of criticism on other drafts (that failed) of this repeal was that KAISERREICH was a fascist region and it seems that the majority of WA supports eliminating an ideology than protecting regional sovereignty, so I honestly would love to put that in there but I think it would get little support due to the elevated levels of fascist/nazi hysteria. I made sure that I didn't directly call out KAISERREICH as a fascist/nazi region (which I personally think there are a large number of bad apples in that region) but to show gratitude with the overall disproval of fascism and Nazism.

4) Thanks for the advice! I might make different versions of this draft (maybe advocating for regional sovereignty and the support of a region's right to free speech) but at the time I am currently more focused on sending a message that liberations shouldn't be misused for political weapons.

I am trying to get a compromise that yes fascist/nazi regions are evil and bad, but liberations aren't the solution to the problem.

Dwarfpolis wrote:Not happening

I appreciate the feedback. I would love to hear some more details/explanation about your thoughts about this repeal.

I plan on submitting this on Wednesday, so if anyone else has anything they would like to contribute I would highly appreciate it!

Westfacto wrote:I plan on submitting this on Wednesday, so if anyone else has anything they would like to contribute I would highly appreciate it!

I would wait. It's too early to try to pass it.

Westfacto wrote:

Dwarfpolis wrote:Not happening

I appreciate the feedback. I would love to hear some more details/explanation about your thoughts about this repeal.

The WA hates us cuz they ain' us, you can try to pass this and you will see I was right in the end. I appreciate your attempt but some sentiments cannot be prevailed upon.

Westfacto wrote:I plan on submitting this on Wednesday, so if anyone else has anything they would like to contribute I would highly appreciate it!

There are far too many proposals, enough that the list of submitted proposals spans 2 pages, like the other guy said, I would definitely wait.

Westfacto wrote:I am trying to get a compromise that yes fascist/nazi regions are evil and bad, but liberations aren't the solution to the problem.

What is the solution, then?
The SC can do between three and six things, depending on how you count: commend, condemn, liberate, and repeal commendations, condemnations, and liberations. (I say between three and six because some might not count that as an action in and of itself, and others might count all three as separate actions.)
Commending them isn't a solution to anything, it's a reward. Condemnations are basically the same thing as commendations and everyone knows it. That leaves liberations, the only one of the three to actually do something.
I get what you're saying, but this is the only weapon we HAVE. If the SC gave us another tool to use here, then you might have a point with this, but they haven't, so we can't do anything but liberate them.

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote: so we can't do anything but liberate them.

So still nothing?

Dwarfpolis wrote:

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote: so we can't do anything but liberate them.

So still nothing?

Nothing further regarding KReich, if that's what you're asking.

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:

Dwarfpolis wrote:
So still nothing?

Nothing further regarding KReich, if that's what you're asking.

Basically the absolute state of the SC acting smug when we right here

Ack, okay so the general consensus is to wait a couple weeks. I guess I will wait until the Security Council queue clears up.
Thank you all for the feedback!

Support, total support
It will look very nice with my Repeal Nazi Europa <3

Make sure though to say Bringing attention to

Chricoma wrote:Support, total support
It will look very nice with my Repeal Nazi Europa <3

Make sure though to say Bringing attention to

Thanks for pointing that out, I wish the best of luck with your proposal!

I will not be supporting this.

Solorni wrote:I will not be supporting this.

I appreciate the feedback. I would love to hear some more details about your thoughts about this repeal. Thanks!

First off, just a semantics point, I'm not entirely sure what the purpose of bolding random words in replies to people does.

ANYWAYS, I have to agree with someone upthread. The Security Council can't really do tangible stuff to regions.

K-Reich is one of the worst regions in the game, and has a history of supporting Nazi ideologies. The liberation needs to stand so that if the founder gets DEATed or gets bored of the game or something, something can be done about it.

Chricoma wrote:Support, total support
It will look very nice with my Repeal Nazi Europa <3

Make sure though to say Bringing attention to

Yep! Trainwrecks look best when they are happening at the same time <3

Kurnugia wrote:

Chricoma wrote:Support, total support
It will look very nice with my Repeal Nazi Europa <3

Make sure though to say Bringing attention to

Yep! Trainwrecks look best when they are happening at the same time <3

I haven’t submitted this resolution yet. I appreciate all feedback and would love to hear more about why you are against this, thanks! <3

Hmm, should probably repeal this neo "liberation" soon (Or at the very least later)

Isvataan wrote:Hmm, should probably repeal this neo "liberation" soon (Or at the very least later)

Did you really have to dig this back up? The liberation in place over kreich will not be repealed any time soon.

I'd love to support this.
But the current climate of the SC doesn't lend well to it.

Prussian Polish Commonwealth wrote:I'd love to support this.
But the current climate of the SC doesn't lend well to it.

Very True, SC has fallen its grace due to this kind of sjw/pc stuff