[DRAFT] Repeal "Liberate KAISERREICH"

[Armenian Cilica]

Acknowledging that Security Council Resolution #245 “Liberate KAISERREICH” was passed to send a warning to Fascist and Nazi regions,

Yup, and that it did, namely, when the founder inevitably goes kaput for violating game rules/gets bored/whatever, they won't be able to hid behind a password.

Stating that Security Council liberations purpose is “to strike down Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry in a region”,

It's their intended purpose, but not their only purpose. Some can be used pre-emptively, like Liberate Boston, and others symbolically, like this one.

Recognizing that Security Council Resolution #245 “Liberate KAISERREICH” had no effect on this KAISERREICH due to it not having a password and an active founder,

Sure, that's the case now, but what happens if KR loses its active founder and then the delegate wants to protect their standing water?

Bringing Attention to that condemnations are more effective at sending a warning to password-less regions than liberations,

I personally prefer the Liberation of Nazi regions, myself. I don't like La Navasse, especially for him lying about Dank Memes, but he has the capability to occasionally be right. This was one of those times. The liberation puts a big ugly on the region page, and it prevents the delegate from saving their backwater if the founder turns over.


TL;DR

Why save a fascist region when you have the option not to save a fascist region?

Against.

[Isvataan]

And, with that logic, is why we can't have nice things :/ Thus the reason why there hasn't been any recent "actual" liberations.

Its only based on attacking one's belief/ideology rather then actual actions (like raiding other regions) If a region is minding their own business and staying by themselves, then why bother them at all.

Its like a kid building a sand castle and another kid comes over and kicks it because it "offends them". Regardless what happens between those two kids, everyone who sees it knows its bullying. Its the same as that one person (who shall not be named and should be erased away) placing neo liberations on regions who are doing no wrong with little to none evidence backing it.

No matter what, regardless if you agree or disagree with this belief (personally I don't like that belief either), don't bother them.

If they're not raiding and doing their own stuff in their own region, then what is the point of having this liberation?

[Xoriet]

Repeal the Liberation that will enable the community to free themselves of one of these regions as soon as the opportunity arises? No.

Pick a different resolution to repeal if you want a badge.

[Apostate]

Acknowledging that Security Council Resolution #245 “Liberate KAISERREICH” was passed to send a warning to Fascist and Nazi regions,

Yup, and that it did, namely, when the founder inevitably goes kaput for violating game rules/gets bored/whatever, they won't be able to hid behind a password.

Sigh...this will not happen, and even if it did, to our founder, the WA seat is non executive and has no border control authority so the "defender raids" couldn't even succeed. And of course, we are not Nazi and/or Fascist!

Stating that Security Council liberations purpose is “to strike down Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry in a region”,

It's their intended purpose, but not their only purpose. Some can be used pre-emptively, like Liberate Boston, and others symbolically, like this one.

The real goal is, as stated above to try and bully regions into thinking the way the SJW SC does.

Recognizing that Security Council Resolution #245 “Liberate KAISERREICH” had no effect on this KAISERREICH due to it not having a password and an active founder,

Sure, that's the case now, but what happens if KR loses its active founder and then the delegate wants to protect their standing water?

Read response above. Our founder is active and our Delegate non executive. Its as useless as its supporters inteded it to be. Its just some silly attempt at "unifying"...against some percieved threat/insult/"danger"...lame.

Bringing Attention to that condemnations are more effective at sending a warning to password-less regions than liberations,

I personally prefer the Liberation of Nazi regions, myself. I don't like La Navasse, especially for him lying about Dank Memes, but he has the capability to occasionally be right. This was one of those times. The liberation puts a big ugly on the region page, and it prevents the delegate from saving their backwater if the founder turns over.

Again, Kaiserreich is not "raid-able" as in, its non executive and no controls on the delegate, and has a strong active community. The little picture of the sun shining through the clouds is rather idyllic IMHO, I sort of like the imagery. Despite the wet blankets in this game, we shine on!

TL;DR

Why save a fascist region when you have the option not to save a fascist region?
When its not fash or NAZI, why would so many people needit to be pretended as if it were such? LARPers unite!

Against.

Could not care less about this decrepit body of little badge collecting socialist propagandists. Just felt a token response from an ACTUAL Kaiserreich member should be included.

[Vincent Drake]

If they're not raiding and doing their own stuff in their own region, then what is the point of having this liberation?

They actively raid.

[Fauxia]

If they're not raiding and doing their own stuff in their own region, then what is the point of having this liberation?

They actively raid.

Correction: They actively try to raid.

[RiderSyl]

Could not care less about this decrepit body of little badge collecting socialist propagandists.

Yet here you are with all your pretty adjectives

[Kurnugia]

And, with that logic, is why we can't have nice things :/ Thus the reason why there hasn't been any recent "actual" liberations.

I like more raids happening and making a region more vunerable to raids is a good thing!

Its only based on attacking one's belief/ideology rather then actual actions (like raiding other regions) If a region is minding their own business and staying by themselves, then why bother them at all.

Remember communal confederacy? It's slightly amusing that you are defending a region that does the same thing you think it's bad.

Its like a kid building a sand castle and another kid comes over and kicks it because it "offends them". Regardless what happens between those two kids, everyone who sees it knows its bullying. Its the same as that one person placing neo liberations on regions who are doing no wrong with little to none evidence backing it.

Bullying a bully isn't that bad.

If they're not raiding and doing their own stuff in their own region, then what is the point of having this liberation?

Oh boi... I led countless liberations against them. A piece of advice: Do some research.

[Lord Dominator]

Against, Condemns are considered badges of honor and I'd honestly prefer they now get one

[Chricoma]

Trust me buddy this won't work, I tried to pass a resolution to repeal the Liberations on Nazi and Fascist regions but to no avail, you just won't get it approved

[New Min]

Trust me buddy this won't work, I tried to pass a resolution to repeal the Liberations on Nazi and Fascist regions but to no avail, you just won't get it approved

OOC: Maybe because most nations agree that nazism is evil?

[Fauxia]

Really no need to gravedig this.

[North Saitama]

Trust me buddy this won't work, I tried to pass a resolution to repeal the Liberations on Nazi and Fascist regions but to no avail, you just won't get it approved

OOC: Maybe because most nations agree that nazism is evil?

So why should they be subjected to a double standard, over subjective disapproval of their ideology, as opposed to their objectively provable actions? I think communism and socialism are evil, and, yet, I am not writing so-called "neoliberations" against communist and socialist regions.

To be honest, I do not approve of this trend of "it is against fascists and nazis, so it it okay". It is ideological warfare, that actively embraces its hypocrisy and double standards because "duh notzees". I don't even like Nazis or Fascists, yet, as long as they aren't bothering anybody, I would rather just leave them alone and ignore them.

[Chricoma]

Trust me buddy this won't work, I tried to pass a resolution to repeal the Liberations on Nazi and Fascist regions but to no avail, you just won't get it approved

OOC: Maybe because most nations agree that nazism is evil?

unfortunately comrade

[LiberNovusAmericae]

While I'm not a fascist and I find the ideology abhorrent, Communism ain't any better. The only difference between them is one gets condemned and the other commended by a WA with a hard left bias. North Korea for example has Nazi style horrors in their work camps, but I don't see the region celebrating them named North Korea getting liberated or condemned. There was even a resolution to commend them.

[Kuriko]

Oml, why was this dragged back up? Let it die already! The liberation of Kreich won't be repealed any time soon.

[North Saitama]

While I'm not a fascist and I find the ideology abhorrent, Communism ain't any better. The only difference between them is one gets condemned and the other commended by a WA with a hard left bias. North Korea for example has Nazi style horrors in their work camps, but I don't see the region celebrating them named North Korea getting liberated or condemned. There was even a resolution to commend them.

Exactly the double standard I am talking about, and shows perfectly that all of this is more for the sake of ideological warfare than bringing peace to NS.

[Thatcher Whitehall]

I don't see the region celebrating them named North Korea getting liberated or condemned. There was even a resolution to commend them.

Maybe because North Korea doesn't harbor active nazi's and is an inconsequential region.

[Frisbeeteria]

Really no need to gravedig this.