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Postby Fauxia » Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:08 pm

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Fauxia wrote:The argument doesn't make much sense, considering symbolic liberations have been passed before, and were not repealed on the grounds that commendations and condemnations could serve the purpose.

What are examples of that other than the recent slew of liberation proposals that have passed? Also, this is the most extreme case, because TEP is a feeder region, which means it is literally impossible to impose a password. Because of this, it does not make sense that the liberation should still exist.
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Postby Schiltzberg » Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:58 pm

Solorni wrote:Does TEP want it?
It seems to be unclear at this point. Queen Yuno made a statement that was apparently in opposition of the repeal, stating that there was "Too much WA about TEP," but this could be just because the delegate wants to keep the liberation as a sort of "trophy," which I do not feel is justified.
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Schiltzberg wrote:What are examples of that other than the recent slew of liberation proposals that have passed? Also, this is the most extreme case, because TEP is a feeder region, which means it is literally impossible to impose a password. Because of this, it does not make sense that the liberation should still exist.
SC #9.

Which was repealed, because it was deemed as unnecessary...
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Postby West Leas Oros » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:03 pm

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Rafterland wrote:It could be easily thought that a liberation aimed at a feeder region might be an exceptionally severe or humorous form of condemnation.

I could also see where it could be taken as a joke. I do not believe that jokes should be allowed to become SC resolutions though.

Too late, we already liberated regions for not agreeing with our political beliefs, how much more of a joke can these proposals be?
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Postby Fauxia » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:25 pm

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Solorni wrote:Does TEP want it?
It seems to be unclear at this point. Queen Yuno made a statement that was apparently in opposition of the repeal, stating that there was "Too much WA about TEP," but this could be just because the delegate wants to keep the liberation as a sort of "trophy," which I do not feel is justified.
Fauxia wrote: SC #9.

Which was repealed, because it was deemed as unnecessary...

No, not mainly. There is a clause about that, but for the most part, it’s about the SC being good now.

And of course Yuno wants the badge.
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Postby Naginii » Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:59 am

Politics, gameplay, power-plays, intrigue, giving someone an authorship badge, because it was a boring week, whatever the rationale was for this — I love how y'all have embraced the weaponized liberation to the point where, like ketchup in the US, you're rather over-enthusiastically applying it to everything and anything. Going after gameplay you don't like with a tool that actually has some impact, well done.

However the completely farcical idea of liberating a region that cannot be closed, just to make a political point, is
self-serving, laughably bad political theater. Not even worth the cost of the popcorn.

...and yet y'all expect traction and respect across the gamemap for this? :rofl:

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Postby Schiltzberg » Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:06 pm

Naginii wrote:Politics, gameplay, power-plays, intrigue, giving someone an authorship badge, because it was a boring week, whatever the rationale was for this — I love how y'all have embraced the weaponized liberation to the point where, like ketchup in the US, you're rather over-enthusiastically applying it to everything and anything. Going after gameplay you don't like with a tool that actually has some impact, well done.

However the completely farcical idea of liberating a region that cannot be closed, just to make a political point, is
self-serving, laughably bad political theater. Not even worth the cost of the popcorn.

...and yet y'all expect traction and respect across the gamemap for this? :rofl:

I agree, and I think that it is not the purpose of liberations to be "badges" for the raiders/governing party, but rather to save regions that are actually in need of help. If they deserve a badge, they should be commended or condemned.
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Postby Freezic Vast » Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:13 pm

Against, at least until something MAJOR has happened with Queen Yuno.
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Postby Schiltzberg » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:31 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:Against, at least until something MAJOR has happened with Queen Yuno.

Such as what, a condemnation?
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Postby The House of Petain » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:59 pm

The original resolution never should have passed, so it's only natural this repeal should.

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Postby Schiltzberg » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:52 am

The House of Petain wrote:The original resolution never should have passed, so it's only natural this repeal should.

FOR.

Thank you for your support! I agree with you on that one.
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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:45 am

Can you give the resolution some flair and comedy? It would make a great resolution.
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Not a chance. Against.
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Postby Schiltzberg » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:49 pm

Indo-Malaysia wrote:Can you give the resolution some flair and comedy? It would make a great resolution.

I considered it, and if you see my original draft, I had some spice in there, but I was advised to remove it. LOL

Pergamon wrote:Not a chance. Against.

So you support the liberation of a feeder region even though it is impossible to password protect them? Curious.

EDIT: Seeing as this has been up for discussion for over two weeks now, and there have been no major changes to the text of the proposal itself for a week or so, do you guys feel it is ready for submission? If not, I will leave it up for more discussion, but I just wanted to see where you all stand.
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Postby Kurnugia » Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:50 pm

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Pergamon wrote:Not a chance. Against.

So you support the liberation of a feeder region even though it is impossible to password protect them? Curious.

Because can't we just have fun? Leave it for the time being. The Lib Res is objectively good.
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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:14 pm

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So you support the liberation of a feeder region even though it is impossible to password protect them? Curious.

Because can't we just have fun? Leave it for the time being. The Lib Res is objectively good.

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Postby Schiltzberg » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:45 pm

Kurnugia wrote:
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So you support the liberation of a feeder region even though it is impossible to password protect them? Curious.

Because can't we just have fun? Leave it for the time being. The Lib Res is objectively good.

How? It doesn't do anything.
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Postby The Stalker » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:22 pm

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Kurnugia wrote:Because can't we just have fun? Leave it for the time being. The Lib Res is objectively good.

How? It doesn't do anything.


Yea, but it's fun. That's what it does. What does repealing it do? Just takes away others' fun.
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Postby Kurnugia » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:40 am

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Kurnugia wrote:Because can't we just have fun? Leave it for the time being. The Lib Res is objectively good.

How? It doesn't do anything.

As in well written
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Postby Schiltzberg » Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:55 am

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Schiltzberg wrote:How? It doesn't do anything.


Yea, but it's fun. That's what it does. What does repealing it do? Just takes away others' fun.

The joke proposal passed and we had our fun, but now it's time to get real again.
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Postby Benevolent Thomas » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:15 am

The House of Petain wrote:The original resolution never should have passed, so it's only natural this repeal should.

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I'm in full agreement. Sometimes I struggle to decide whether I'm being an overly serious grump that is growing increasingly disconnected with this game's community or if what I'm witnessing is truly unfathomably stupid. I believe I can confidently say that the latter applies to the resolution in question.
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Postby Fauxia » Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:38 pm

Schiltzberg wrote:
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Yea, but it's fun. That's what it does. What does repealing it do? Just takes away others' fun.

The joke proposal passed and we had our fun, but now it's time to get real again.

Joke proposals are illegal. Seeing as how this one wasn’t thrown out, I’m not exactly sure it’s a joke...
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Postby Isvataan » Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:24 am

Benevolent Thomas wrote:
The House of Petain wrote:The original resolution never should have passed, so it's only natural this repeal should.

FOR.

I'm in full agreement. Sometimes I struggle to decide whether I'm being an overly serious grump that is growing increasingly disconnected with this game's community or if what I'm witnessing is truly unfathomably stupid. I believe I can confidently say that the latter applies to the resolution in question.


Its unfortunately stupid, as shown the overkill vote against the repeal liberation of Kasier. "Oh we're fighting fascism and Nazism" what most of them would say but reality their just infringing the 1st amendment of others because they're triggered about ideology.

As well claiming to fight Nazis is a joke and its just stolen valor from soldiers who actually fought real Nazis all those years ago. Keep this up and I wouldn't be surprise if real ones came and most would not fight them because they're be tired of the political correctness and social justice warrior
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Postby Lenlyvit » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:23 am

Isvataan wrote:Its unfortunately stupid, as shown the overkill vote against the repeal liberation of Kasier. "Oh we're fighting fascism and Nazism" what most of them would say but reality their just infringing the 1st amendment of others because they're triggered about ideology.

Hate to break it to you, but there's no such thing as the First Amendment here. This is not a site owned by anyone in the US, and the US Constitution has no jurisdiction here.
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Postby Kurnugia » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:35 am

Isvataan wrote:
Its unfortunately stupid, as shown the overkill vote against the repeal liberation of Kasier. "Oh we're fighting fascism and Nazism" what most of them would say but reality their just infringing the 1st amendment of others because they're triggered about ideology.

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Postby Schiltzberg » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:33 am

How do you guys feel about me submitting this? Do you think it requires some changes?
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