[Draft] Condemn La Navasse

[La Navasse]

laughable at best and libel at worst.

When has that ever stopped you?

Every time - my resolutions are factual and accurate at the time of submission.

[Lord Dominator]

laughable at best and libel at worst.

When has that ever stopped you?

[Lenlyvit]

When has that ever stopped you?

Every time - my resolutions are factual and accurate at the time of submission.

Hard to see how calling FGGR is factual and accurate, without any evidence to support it or back up your claims

[North Saitama]

Recognising La Navasse as an opportunistic hypocrite, in my opinion, would weaken it. Never mind that the core problem is not that said nation is a hypocrite, but, rather, that they are "liberating" natives, for purely ideological reasons.

[Routcher]

Money is pretty tight at the moment (yes, for some people a couple bucks out of budget is not good), so I'll submit this when I get some stamps to promote this.

[Consular]

If money is tight maybe consider not wasting it. Big Delegates will probably not vote for this.

[Imperium Anglorum]

If money is tight maybe consider not wasting it. Big Delegates will probably not vote for this.

You never know, you never know! What if Navasse sends a telegram campaign with 15 telegrams to each Delegate? Then it could be different!

[Solorni]

If money is tight maybe consider not wasting it. Big Delegates will probably not vote for this.

You never know, you never know! What if Navasse sends a telegram campaign with 15 telegrams to each Delegate? Then it could be different!

I could be tempted...

[Routcher]

When it comes time to submit and campaign, I'll approach the bigger delegates personally beforehand to try and win them over.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Full support. Attempting to liberate your political rivals is not a nice move. Calling people fascists who are clearly not fascists is a seriously shitty move, especially when it is done to try and get them destroyed.

[Wallenburg]

Draft should focus on La Navasse's own history of working with Nazis and generally focus on hypocrisy in my opinion. He's just as associated with NS Nazism as any of these liberation targets. It is most likely to me that he is pursuing these resolutions with the false hope that being super anti-Nazi for a while will make people in the GCRs forget he is actually pretty Nazi. I know you touch on that, but IMO that's the ballgame. The WA is not going to buy the regional sovereignty stuff - they voted for it too. But I could see how there could be support for some of the most blatant hypocrisy we've seen in a long time.

I would specifically support a short line recognizing La Navasse as a Nazi nation.

Other ideas might be to play up his history of Nazi collaboration along with the history that WASC condemnations/liberations have brought regions to life to imply his recent efforts are truly motivated (to him, not voters) by an effort to boost Nazism in NS.

I think there'd be more appetite for this than some of the prior posters suggested. No one likes a hypocrite. We've dug back farther than 1.5 years on some of the Liberations, and at that point the guy throwing the stones was in the glassiest house of all.

If you're in the belief that I ever supported Nazism, I condemn that. The only reason I ever seeked NE help for Dank Memes long ago was out of desperation, at a time when TGW didn't support my region due to conflict, and the Left wouldn't help.

Recognizing me as a Nazi nation would be laughable at best and libel at worst.

Indeed, it would be laughable to call you a Nazi. Nazi collaborator works just fine.

[Morriband]

Draft should focus on La Navasse's own history of working with Nazis and generally focus on hypocrisy in my opinion. He's just as associated with NS Nazism as any of these liberation targets. It is most likely to me that he is pursuing these resolutions with the false hope that being super anti-Nazi for a while will make people in the GCRs forget he is actually pretty Nazi. I know you touch on that, but IMO that's the ballgame. The WA is not going to buy the regional sovereignty stuff - they voted for it too. But I could see how there could be support for some of the most blatant hypocrisy we've seen in a long time.

I would specifically support a short line recognizing La Navasse as a Nazi nation.

Other ideas might be to play up his history of Nazi collaboration along with the history that WASC condemnations/liberations have brought regions to life to imply his recent efforts are truly motivated (to him, not voters) by an effort to boost Nazism in NS.

I think there'd be more appetite for this than some of the prior posters suggested. No one likes a hypocrite. We've dug back farther than 1.5 years on some of the Liberations, and at that point the guy throwing the stones was in the glassiest house of all.

If you're in the belief that I ever supported Nazism, I condemn that. The only reason I ever seeked NE help for Dank Memes long ago was out of desperation, at a time when TGW didn't support my region due to conflict, and the Left wouldn't help.

Recognizing me as a Nazi nation would be laughable at best and libel at worst.

So when you associate with avowed (self-proclaimed) Nazis, it doesn't make you a Nazi/fascist/sympathizer. But when we (SCUT) associate with alleged fascists (who have taken official stances against fascism btw), we are Nazis/fascists/sympathizers.

That's called a double standard. Assuming that you worked with NE for the reasons you stated, then I find it truly hilarious and sad that you're able to sit there and say that it's libel when you do the exact same thing to us because you have a baseless personal grudge.

[The Atlae Isles]

We didn't condemn Keshiland or Bitely, so I fail to see how Lanav deserves a condemnation.

[Berdan]

We didn't condemn Keshiland or Bitely, so I fail to see how Lanav deserves a condemnation.

Keshi and Bitely were just shooting out bad resolutions and in some cases buying gigantic stamp campaigns to get assured victory. La Navasse has actively been attempting to destroy communities and make it easier to take certain regions (EG: Femdom Empire) away from their rightful/native owners under purely ideological and badge-hunting pretexts while accusing the stronger opposition to moves like CAIN of everything short of having a signed copy of Mein Kampf in a place of honor on their computer desk. There's also the matter of the push to shift the norm in NS to where terminology like "Nazis dont deserve to exist on this forum" becomes the norm, which can lead to even more extreme shifts and connotations considering their refusal to stop branding non-fascists as fascist sympathizers. (EG: The liberation of Femdom Empire, a locked founderless reigon of two nations being maintained and protected by its former natives who had moved to a new region with the same people, which was liberated because some of the people who defended it from invaders were RP'ing as nazis)

[La Navasse]

If this actually passed on the voting floor, I would be surprised. I doubt major Delegates even feel that I'm notable, let alone Condemnable.

Additionally, as a majority approved every one of my last three proposals, I don't think they'd vote for my Condemnation.

I would not regard this as any future piece of legislation, but rather as a litmus paper for the World Assembly's perception of me at the moment. In essence, if this went to vote, it wouldn't be a matter of whether it could pass or not, it would be a matter of how large can you get your For vote to be.

[Routcher]

If this actually passed on the voting floor, I would be surprised. I doubt major Delegates even feel that I'm notable, let alone Condemnable.

Additionally, as a majority approved every one of my last three proposals, I don't think they'd vote for my Condemnation.

I would not regard this as any future piece of legislation, but rather as a litmus paper for the World Assembly's perception of me at the moment. In essence, if this went to vote, it wouldn't be a matter of whether it could pass or not, it would be a matter of how large can you get your For vote to be.

You sure do comment here a lot for someone who doesn't seem too concerned.

[La Navasse]

It's madly entertaining.

[Pokey Oaks]

As someone who was around for the first coming of Navasse (this is Kaboom under a different name, I'm making a comeback), nope nope nope nope nope. Can we not encourage badge-hunters?

[Wallenburg]

As someone who was around for the first coming of Navasse (this is Kaboom under a different name, I'm making a comeback), nope nope nope nope nope. Can we not encourage badge-hunters?

They already have the badge. Their goal is not badge hunting, but the destruction of regional communities.

[Imperium Anglorum]

They already have the badge.

I think Kaboom may mean Navasse's attempt to seek the bigger C&C badge.

[Kaboomlandia]

They already have the badge.

I think Kaboom may mean Navasse's attempt to seek the bigger C&C badge.

Yup, this is what I meant - I would rather give Navasse as little attention as possible from this council beyond what he already has.

[Pergamon]

La Navasse was pretty noobish back the day and did a whole lot of things that just can be described as nothing else than:

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However, the La Navasse we know today is not this La Navasse anymore. This player has advanced, greatly so. And is undeserving of a condemnation. Against.

[Fahran]

I tend to perceive condemnations as a reward for becoming a cartoon villain. High profile raiders, role-players who depict atrocities in a well-written way, and uniquely egregious violators within regional, inter-regional, and WA politics warrant condemnations. With regard to LN, I find his persistent preemptive offensive liberations tiresome and based on deceit in many cases, but I'm hesitant to support much more than repealing the vast majority of them as soon as this becomes a tenable option. As such, I'm on the fence with this one, though I'm extremely unlikely to support most of LN's resolutions in the future.

[Indo-Malaysia]

Id support this, but the proposal would have to be altered

[Fahran]

Id support this, but the proposal would have to be altered

I believe it’s good form to suggest alterations, no? What do you find objectionable and how would you change it for the better?