[Draft] Condemn La Navasse

[Rafterland]

Is there any information as to whether the Council knew about the planned liberation proposals ? Because they really look like smoking guns. In this case, a condemnation wouldn't be illogical.

In the SCUT thread, La NAvasse highlights his master plan regarding all the regions he is targeting. Arcem, the leader region of SCUT, is falsely accused of being a fascist sympathizer region.

Unless your question was in regards to something else?

See my post in the thread you evocate for my opinion on the matter.

I support this proposal as it carries a deterrent intent by it's nature that could be useful to world peace.

[Routcher]

In regard to those who won't support this saying that La Navasse is a "badge hunter", hear me out.

It is true that many unsavory types on NS like receiving condemnations, especially raiders. But La Navasse is not a raider. He is a politician. Passing this condemnation is the first step in undoing his harm and also in putting an ax in his political career here on NationStates. Even if he "likes" receiving the condemnation. It isn't about punishing him, it's about distancing the Security Council from him. Let him get condemned and sit in the corner by himself with his shiny badge while the rest of us actually use the Security Council properly.

[La Navasse]

In regard to those who won't support this saying that La Navasse is a "badge hunter", hear me out.

It is true that many unsavory types on NS like receiving condemnations, especially raiders. But La Navasse is not a raider. He is a politician. Passing this condemnation is the first step in undoing his harm and also in putting an ax in his political career here on NationStates. Even if he "likes" receiving the condemnation. It isn't about punishing him, it's about distancing the Security Council from him. Let him get condemned and sit in the corner by himself with his shiny badge while the rest of us actually use the Security Council properly.

Don't worry. Plenty of Condemned players are active in NS. A Condemnation or Commendation is usually the culmination of one's career.

[Langor Empire]

In the SCUT thread, La NAvasse highlights his master plan regarding all the regions he is targeting. Arcem, the leader region of SCUT, is falsely accused of being a fascist sympathizer region.

Unless your question was in regards to something else?

See my post in the thread you evocate for my opinion on the matter.

I support this proposal as it carries a deterrent intent by it's nature that could be useful to world peace.

So far their proposals have only contributed to world conflict, instability and uncertainty.

[Rafterland]

In regard to those who won't support this saying that La Navasse is a "badge hunter", hear me out.

It is true that many unsavory types on NS like receiving condemnations, especially raiders. But La Navasse is not a raider. He is a politician. Passing this condemnation is the first step in undoing his harm and also in putting an ax in his political career here on NationStates. Even if he "likes" receiving the condemnation. It isn't about punishing him, it's about distancing the Security Council from him. Let him get condemned and sit in the corner by himself with his shiny badge while the rest of us actually use the Security Council properly.

Don't worry. Plenty of Condemned players are active in NS. A Condemnation or Commendation is usually the culmination of one's career.

What good is a brilliant career that is doomed to die as soon as it reaches it's peak ? (which likely wont happen)

[Routcher]

In regard to those who won't support this saying that La Navasse is a "badge hunter", hear me out.

It is true that many unsavory types on NS like receiving condemnations, especially raiders. But La Navasse is not a raider. He is a politician. Passing this condemnation is the first step in undoing his harm and also in putting an ax in his political career here on NationStates. Even if he "likes" receiving the condemnation. It isn't about punishing him, it's about distancing the Security Council from him. Let him get condemned and sit in the corner by himself with his shiny badge while the rest of us actually use the Security Council properly.

Don't worry. Plenty of Condemned players are active in NS. A Condemnation or Commendation is usually the culmination of one's career.

And how many of those "active" players continue to pass proposals through the Security Council?

[La Navasse]

Don't worry. Plenty of Condemned players are active in NS. A Condemnation or Commendation is usually the culmination of one's career.

And how many of those "active" players continue to pass proposals through the Security Council?

None, not due to the Condemnation, but due to RL.

Not that there has been precedent for Condemnations based on unique ways of using the WA - according to viewtopic.php?f=24&t=392800, the only time such has happened was in Condemn The Dourian Embassy.

I'd be pleasantly surprised if this passed, but quite frankly, I haven't done enough to deserve such publicity.

[The Rouge Christmas State]

Not sure what I think about this proposal. Sure La Navasse is liberating the daylights out of anything with a pulse, but they are also bringing activity to the SC. I would be inclined to say that I would support a condemnation more so than a commendation at this point given my dislike of all of the liberation lately. Regardless they do deserve some sort of recognition, I'm just not sure which.

[Routcher]

Not sure what I think about this proposal. Sure La Navasse is liberating the daylights out of anything with a pulse, but they are also bringing activity to the SC. I would be inclined to say that I would support a condemnation more so than a commendation at this point given my dislike of all of the liberation lately. Regardless they do deserve some sort of recognition, I'm just not sure which.

And after this there will be activity undoing what he's done in favor of other legislation. Plenty of activity to come.

[Kurnugia]

Not sure what I think about this proposal. Sure La Navasse is liberating the daylights out of anything with a pulse, but they are also bringing activity to the SC. I would be inclined to say that I would support a condemnation more so than a commendation at this point given my dislike of all of the liberation lately. Regardless they do deserve some sort of recognition, I'm just not sure which.

And after this there will be activity undoing what he's done in favor of other legislation. Plenty of activity to come.

oh yea!

It's going to be fun to watch the gcrs crush those legislations <3

[Lord Dominator]

Fully opposed
Further, this will do squat in stopping LN's proposals from passing, you're lucky if voters read past the first few lines/regional IFV, and the super-delegates are unlikely to care

[Lenlyvit]

Fully opposed
Further, this will do squat in stopping LN's proposals from passing, you're lucky if voters read past the first few lines/regional IFV, and the super-delegates are unlikely to care

Stole the words from my mouth A condemnation will do jack squat in stopping La Nav, but if you want to condemn him you're welcome to try. Ill just vote against.

[Morriband]

Condemn La Navasse

Proposed By: Routcher
Nominee: La Navasse
Category: Condemnation

The World Assembly,

Dismayed at La Navasse's total disregard for regional sovereignty,

Appalled at the nation's repeated efforts to punish political rivals with Liberations,

Admitting that National Socialism is a blight on the international community but,

Recognizing that regions that accept help from National Socialists are not themselves National Socialist,

Observing that the nominee has hypocritically proposed liberating many regions that align themselves with fascism, despite being an ally of fascism when it suits them,

Further observing the blatant dishonesty in proposals put forward by the nominee that state that Femdom Empire's leadership has put up increased border controls due to fascist influence, and another proposal that falsely accuses the alliance known as SCUT for being allies with fascists,

Concerned by the precedent these aggressive liberation resolutions have set, which create a culture within the Security Council more focused on war than on global peace, and ultimately leads to increased destabilization around the world,

Disappointed by the nominee's blatant disrespect for this most august council by abusing the liberation process,

Noting the prideful attitude of the nation's government; constantly gloating about how many harmful resolutions reach quorum,

Believing that the World Assembly in general, and the Security Council in particular, has the mandate to encourage peace, freedom, and security to the regions of the world, and

Disgusted by the nation's attempt to undermine that mandate by using the Security Council in ways described in this proposal,

The Security Council of the World Assembly hereby Condemns La Navasse

This is my first time authoring a proposal, so any and all input is appreciated. Thank you.

As much as I would want to see this happen, the comments about his badge-hunting nature, are summaries of my main reservation on this.

[Xmara]

Support

[Consular]

Urgh can we not

[Alkasia]

While I'm getting a bit sick of these liberations, I don't quite think it's worth a condemnation.

And yeah, good luck getting the overwhelming GCR support needed for this to even stand a chance.

Oh... wait.

Status: Lacking Support (requires 69 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 2 hours

Well, you made an attempt.

[Routcher]

While I'm getting a bit sick of these liberations, I don't quite think it's worth a condemnation.

And yeah, good luck getting the overwhelming GCR support needed for this to even stand a chance.

Oh... wait.

Status: Lacking Support (requires 69 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 2 hours

Well, you made an attempt.

This hasn't been submitted yet, so I have no idea what you're on about.

[Heffburg]

Of course, full support. Even if it doesn’t pass, it’s an important symbolic gesture.

[Chricoma]

Full support, this must reach vote!!!

[Imperium Anglorum]

I'm principally opposed to giving badges to spammers.

[Berdan]

Full support.

[North Saitama]

Full support. These "liberations" of natives for purely ideological reasons have been shameful.

[Conservative Values]

Draft should focus on La Navasse's own history of working with Nazis and generally focus on hypocrisy in my opinion. He's just as associated with NS Nazism as any of these liberation targets. It is most likely to me that he is pursuing these resolutions with the false hope that being super anti-Nazi for a while will make people in the GCRs forget he is actually pretty Nazi. I know you touch on that, but IMO that's the ballgame. The WA is not going to buy the regional sovereignty stuff - they voted for it too. But I could see how there could be support for some of the most blatant hypocrisy we've seen in a long time.

I would specifically support a short line recognizing La Navasse as a Nazi nation.

Other ideas might be to play up his history of Nazi collaboration along with the history that WASC condemnations/liberations have brought regions to life to imply his recent efforts are truly motivated (to him, not voters) by an effort to boost Nazism in NS.

I think there'd be more appetite for this than some of the prior posters suggested. No one likes a hypocrite. We've dug back farther than 1.5 years on some of the Liberations, and at that point the guy throwing the stones was in the glassiest house of all.

[La Navasse]

Draft should focus on La Navasse's own history of working with Nazis and generally focus on hypocrisy in my opinion. He's just as associated with NS Nazism as any of these liberation targets. It is most likely to me that he is pursuing these resolutions with the false hope that being super anti-Nazi for a while will make people in the GCRs forget he is actually pretty Nazi. I know you touch on that, but IMO that's the ballgame. The WA is not going to buy the regional sovereignty stuff - they voted for it too. But I could see how there could be support for some of the most blatant hypocrisy we've seen in a long time.

I would specifically support a short line recognizing La Navasse as a Nazi nation.

Other ideas might be to play up his history of Nazi collaboration along with the history that WASC condemnations/liberations have brought regions to life to imply his recent efforts are truly motivated (to him, not voters) by an effort to boost Nazism in NS.

I think there'd be more appetite for this than some of the prior posters suggested. No one likes a hypocrite. We've dug back farther than 1.5 years on some of the Liberations, and at that point the guy throwing the stones was in the glassiest house of all.

If you're in the belief that I ever supported Nazism, I condemn that. The only reason I ever seeked NE help for Dank Memes long ago was out of desperation, at a time when TGW didn't support my region due to conflict, and the Left wouldn't help.

Recognizing me as a Nazi nation would be laughable at best and libel at worst.

[Imperium Anglorum]

laughable at best and libel at worst.

When has that ever stopped you?